Changed w/o discussion: What Do You Mean Its For Kids

Sailor Tardis changed the original picture (see here◊) for this page without opening an image picking discussion thread for it first.

Personally, I feel like the original was better. Pingu was more intended for kids but falls squarely into Values Dissonance at times. Meanwhile, Gravity Falls, though I don't watch it personally, is far more willing to go with Parental Bonuses and well aware of its Periphery Demographic, so such a thing really isn't as shocking.

Plus, I feel like Abusive Parents in a kids show is far more shocking to see than Body Horror, as the former is almost never seen, while the latter usually has "lite" version of its use in other Western Animation shows. Off the top of my head, SpongeBob SquarePants and Adventure Time have used this iirc, albeit for vastly different reasons.

Vote for the image to be reverted.

edited 2nd Dec '15 6:19:46 AM by TokoWH

Temp-locking until the backlog clears up.

Re-opened. Having not watched either show, I can't comment on the argument, but from a purely visual perspective my vote is for the Gravity Falls pic.

edited 20th Dec '15 10:28:32 AM by Willbyr

I haven't watched either myself, but I've heard enough about them to get a general idea. As such, I still stand by my argument for the time being, unless someone can come up with a better replacement image in the meantime. Also, the current is Gravity Falls, not Steven.

edited 20th Dec '15 10:10:22 AM by TokoWH

Voting for Pingu to be restored.

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not seeing the Abusive Parents angle in the Pingu image. At most, it looks the parent penguin is tending to Pingu after he got injured by something.

The Gravity Falls image is showcasing a horror element in a more obvious fashion, so for now, I think it's more illustrative of this trope. I'm still open to better images, however.

edited 20th Dec '15 10:14:20 AM by Komodin

Has anyone sent a message to the troper who changed the image?

As for the image, I prefer the GF image, as the Abusive Parents in the Pingu image was not as obvious. The only problem with the GF image is the fact that the same image is on the work's Nightmare Fuel page.

edited 22nd Dec '15 10:42:17 PM by Josef5678

I already sent him/her a PM.

As for the images: I think an image showing abusive parents in a seemingly childish show would be a better option than straight up body horror. I just personally think that kind of horror is not terribly mature. You can make a series based around body horror that doesn't tackle unsuitable themes for kids (like say, Ben 10) and there can be series that feature almost not physical injuries and still talk about some pretty horrifying stuff (like Avatar: The Last Airbender).
Now, the former image of Pingu wasn't really clear but I would prefer something along those lines and, like Josef already pointed out, the current image is a duplicate.

Edit: I just feel that I should make clear that by "mature" I mean "not kid-friendly"

edited 20th Dec '15 1:13:14 PM by DeisTheAlcano

Hmm, I'm not sure how mature themes could be captured in a still image. All I could think of are abusive parents, horrifying scenes, and sexual scenes. Trying to display a mature central theme in a still image might be difficult.

I think the Gravity Falls pic can stay. We could easily tell this trope is in play there, while Pingu is simply up to interpretation.

I don't think the Pingu one is a good illustration. Not sure it's even an example, considering the amount of comedic violence you find in animation, and claymation does little to distinguish it from real violence.

I'd suggest something from the Watership Down film, but that'd probably be too graphic for the site.

Pings wasn't good because it was way too downplayed. The Gravity Falls pic is definitely due to showing off Body Horror while still being SFW.

edited 21st Dec '15 5:50:52 AM by Karxrida

I suppose Gravity Falls works. It still just bugs me though for some reason... It's a series that, as I've already said, is very aware of its Periphery Demographic and isn't afraid to do dark stuff like this regularly from what I've heard. Like, the fact that kids watch it isn't given too much thought by the writers and such. The atmosphere of the picture and the art style doesn't make it feel too out of place at a glance to me, either...

I suppose I'd prefer something where it's clearer that the work in question prioritises the younger demographic above all else, but has something that would be way too mature/dark for kids to understand going on. While Pingu may be a poor image for demonstrating that, at the very least, I still feel like a picture in line with that (bright, cheery art style with something very dark going on) would better illustrate this trope. Gravity Falls can be the new current for now, but I still don't want to rule out any other options, either.

I think the Gravity Falls one should stay.

The Pingu one is subtle to the point of it really not being clear that the penguin is even getting slapped. The GF one is way more clear. That said, it's also a dupe of the Gravity Falls image.

Hmm. I think the Nightmare Fuel one is fine as-is. So look for different ones for here, I guess.

edited 21st Dec '15 10:08:31 AM by TheUnsquished

I think Duck's idea of using an image from Watership Down is a good proposal. I will see what I can find.

Some images:

• Creepy bunny◊
• Slashed throat
• Hunter dog◊
• Bunnies fighting◊

Alternatively something from Courage the Cowardly Dog may work.

edited 21st Dec '15 8:38:15 PM by DeisTheAlcano

If I'm not mistaken, that first pic is already being used somewhere on the wiki. Any of the others are good.

Holy shit that movie is messed up.

anything in 18, I don't care which.

... Yeah, any of the images in Post #18 can work just fine. If necessary, you can add a contrasting images of the bunnies during more peaceful times.

I'm voting for 18.3 because you don't expect to see serious blood and death in a cartoon.

18.1 is used on Hair-Raising Hare

for 18.3

18.3 Is good with me, but I agree it could use some contrast with what people would expect of it from a glance. Like, a picture of something peaceful with the rabbits, then have the picture under it.

Is this◊ a good contrasting image?