Suggestion: Mum Looks Like A Sister

Previous thread. Absurdly Youthful Mother was recently in TRS because there were about five tropes in one. Those were ykttw'd and AYM was made into a supertrope for them. The current page image on that page illustrates only the one subtrope Mum Looks Like a Sister, which is just a visual appearance trope. Therefore I suggest that we move the image to that subtrope and leave it blank, as it's pretty much impossible to illustrate the supertrope.

I'm good with that move.

Fine by me.

I have no objections to that move.

Sounds like a good idea.

Why in the hell is the trope named 'mum'? Cultural specific trope?

Really I think it's better where it is right now. It's that trope, the trope that gets used in the work, and probably the best we are going to find for it outside trying to explain Mama is a fourth grader screenshot. It's also the trope that's getting use and not the British trope.

A comic/manga panel of someone actually mistaking someone's mom for her sister would be better for this one.

edited 18th Sep '15 4:35:34 PM by Memers

How does the trope being called "mum" indicate it as a culture-specific in any way? As with all the American vs. British spellings rule here, it simply goes on a first come first serve basis.

It isn't just a different spelling like color vs colour it's a whole other word and pronunciation. It's not going to get usage with a name like that.

Anyways about my other points? I am still quite against moving it.

edited 18th Sep '15 6:17:46 PM by Memers

Move is good.

It's an English word, and just because it's not American doesn't mean it's not perfectly serviceable.

Edit: What would be better is only relevant as a counter-argument (as opposed to an improvement suggestion) if that is something that actually exists outside a suggestion.

edited 18th Sep '15 7:42:27 PM by AnotherDuck

You can always create a redirect, you know.

edited 18th Sep '15 7:05:59 PM by DeisTheAlcano

I was going to question why we went with "Mum" instead of the more country-neutral "Mother", until I realized we also have Missing Mom, Team Mom, Action Mom, Almighty Mom, Stacy's Mom, Stage Mom, Human Mom Non Human Dad, Hi, Mom!, Your Mom, I Miss Mom, I Banged Your Mom, Nom de Mom, Single Mom Stripper...

I mean, as an American I always thought "Mum" sounded weird, but really, I can't say as I object to using "Mum"; seems it was overdue for a use in a trope title. I'm more surprised it beat "Mom" to the punch.

EDIT: OverDUE. Not overDO, overDUE.

edited 18th Sep '15 9:02:06 PM by ShadowHog

While I think that using the American spelling is based solely on the fact that this site is American, I think the site should probably choose one spelling, either American or British, for its titles and stick with that. As stated above, we can always do a redirect for the other spelling.

I'd expect that the site would stick with American spelling and I'm okay with that.

And this is from someone who thinks that the Americans were idiots for ever stuffing around with the English language. It was already confusing enough without them trying to "simplify" it.

https://xkcd.com/927/

edited 18th Sep '15 10:01:43 PM by Melkior

I don't care for American or English, but this site almost always use Mom, so I don't see any reason to be inconsistent.

"Mum" is not just an alternate spelling of "mom", it's a different word.

Image Pickin' are also not the same words as Trope Repair Shop.

What's the difference? I'm seriously asking because I always thought they were the same thing.

edited 19th Sep '15 9:25:33 AM by DeisTheAlcano

Its a colloquial, but casual and possessive. Its more akin to 'Mommy' than 'Mom'.

Its still a different word and pronunciation than say color and colour.

edited 19th Sep '15 9:44:15 AM by Memers

This spelling issue for Mum Looks Like a Sister is really a discussion for TRS, not IP. The trope name is not the trope, which is decidedly not a British cultural thing. Absurdly Youthful Mother is a supertrope that isn't limited to parents looking the same as their offspring, possibly due to a specific art style as with the current.

In fact, the children could well look older than their parents, such as several cases of a Supernaturally Young Parent, another subtrope. Their looks could remain static at middle age while their children become young adults, as in Not Allowed to Grow Old. This isn't as specific as the image suggests.

edited 20th Sep '15 3:16:31 AM by Morgenthaler

Indeed; let's drop that discussion and focus on the pic.

We now have 6-1 in favor for moving the pic on Absurdly Youthful Mother to its subtrope Mum Looks Like a Sister. Anyone else?

For Mom Looks Like a Sister we need a comic that has someone say that someone's mom looks young enough to be that someone's sister. That is that trope not the image which is more Absurdly Youthful Mother

edited 22nd Sep '15 9:55:25 AM by Memers

A Discussed Trope is not a requirement for an image showing a trope; in fact, it's discouraged by Show, Don't Tell. It's already been pointed out that the current definition and supertrope-subtrope relations of Absurdly Youthful Mother make it broader than what the image shows, which is a mother looking like a sister.

I disagree, this trope can easily be used for someone who does not actually look the part. Its the comparison and compliment that is the only important part.

This trope needs something a long the lines of the image for Bifauxnen.

In the work Koufuku Graffiti no comparison is ever made and the only real comment is 'she is energetic' and 'she is cute' and a rant about 'how girls have to take care of their skin' and such. Which fits Absurdly Youthful Mother.

edited 22nd Sep '15 10:55:21 AM by Memers

Nothing in the description for Mum Looks Like a Sister specifies that characters need to explicitly draw the comparison. Again, it's limiting the use of the trope to Discussed Trope examples when the examples on the page vary between that and characters looking the same age without it necessarily being commented on.

The current does not actually picture Absurdly Youthful Mother because it's become a more general supertrope after the TRS thread in question. How do we picture Adoptive Peer Parent, Mum Looks Like a Sister, Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome, Supernaturally Young Parent, and Teen Pregnancy all in one image?

ok for moving the pic