General Kingdom Hearts Fanfiction Thread

This might just be Honor Before Reason talking, but that sounds to me a bit more like Villain behavior.

... but then, I've also been on an Ideal Hero kick lately, so take that doubly with a grain of salt...

I had the opposite reaction. As long as you're not torturing or permanently crippling the guy, a win is a win. What, is it gentle and merciful to bludgeon people with a giant metal key or whatever? The powdered glass thing might or might not be suspect, depending on how badly and permanently it's going to fuck up the dude's eyes. Which has rather more leeway in a setting full of healing magic.

edited 12th Nov '14 1:34:13 PM by rikalous

<shrug>

@EVA Unit 01: To be fair, I do plan to make the Original Generation Big Bad a Foil/Shadow Archetype to the hero with this trope in mind. And besides, what can a Empowered Badass Normal do against people who can manipulate time, summon meteors and other bullshit spells other then being really ruthless? That said, people WILL call him out for it but he'll argue that they have magic and he doesn't so YMMV.

@Rikalous: Glass when crushed right can permanetly blind a person. Said Paladin is an Asshole Victim with rich as hell parents, so again YMMV.

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I will admit. I, too, once conceived of a Master of None muggle character surrounded by magic-users who decided that because all of his enemies would be smarter, stronger, faster, tougher, and more experienced than he was, he would make up for it with sheer ruthlessness and tenacity. But then, that same character was also conceived as a neurotic mess desperate to prove that he had the right to exist in a World of Badass, never realizing until the end that if he had wanted to, he could've lived a happy life as a chef, or housekeeper, or a stay-at-home husband if he ever found a lover.

That character? Shinji Ikari, his "Well Done, Son" Guy complexes cranked Up To Eleven from being raised by Nanoha Takamachi, Fate Testarossa, and associates.

But then, that has nothing to do at all with Kingdom Hearts.

@EVA Unit 01: Except the part where he's dependent on them to point of shutting down (read: becoming a shut-in and focusing on building more gadgets.) if seperated for a few days. So, to him, he didn't have a choice.

This is a reconstruction instead of a deconstruction, anyways so...

edited 12th Nov '14 11:01:39 PM by HeirophantsFool

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Sounds pretty deconstructive to me. Which isn't a bad thing, really, the off-topic thing I was just talking about was intended as a subversion/deconstruction of the God-Mode Sue and associated tropes endemic to crossover fic...

It is but I plan on reconstructing all the shonen tropes that this series runs on and add more from a certain series. (SONO CHI NO SADAME! JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!)

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SU-TAND UP! SU-TAND UP! SU-TAND UP! .... SU-TAND TAAAAALLLLL!!! <Rapid-Fire Fisticuffs>

I hear ya, man.

I am a big believer of hard work paying off if you give your all.

Due the Rule of Cool, I could get away with a lot more stuff.

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double post.

I had planned on reconstructing the God-Mod Sue trope by giving good reasons and showing why everyone would have trouble with the main characters (except only the strongest canon characters of course).

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Does anyone feel that Canon!Sora is boring? Or at the least somewhat bland?

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Even if real-Sora is, Data Sora very definitely is not.

Oh, yeah that game happened. Huh. I was refering to normal Sora.

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Honestly, I think it's less that Sora is boring so much as how they've used him that's at fault. Take Ven, for example. He has similar traits (though I'd argue he's still very distinct). One thing that sets him apart is that he actually suffers some real conflicts, both external and internal.

But in canon, Sora seldom faces deep, internal conflicts. KH 3 D and Chain of Memories are about as close as it gets, and I feel that it's harder to empathize with him for it. Part of why I feel that Riku is the best-written character in the series is because he has a character arc complete with severe conflict which he manages to overcome.

Sora has overcome great odds, but I feel that he hasn't grown very much.

That's... probably why I put him through hell in my own fics, because I think it's fun to put optimistic and upbeat characters through the wringer.

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Hmm, I was thinking that since Keyblades can be forged and equipped by anyone, I was thinking of the characters using secondary weapons to hide the fact that they use Keyblades from certain people.

Also, what do think of deconstructing the usual age reduction in FF characters?

edited 26th Nov '14 1:59:06 AM by HeirophantsFool

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How do you mean?

I was thinking of a character along those lines actually. Although for him, it was mostly a matter of not using it on weaker opponents.

Oh God! Natural light!

Also, I think that anyone who's been extremely used to using the Keyblade should probably stick with that as their main weapon.

Take a minute. Of all the people shown to have Keyblade access in canon, only two of them are ever shown to have been competent with a non-Keyblade weapon, and that comes from having originally used the other weapon until they gained a Keyblade.

I am referring, of course, to Riku (Soul Eater) and Axel (dual fire chakram). And Axel still has trouble even invoking his.

Sora and Roxas are plenty competent at whacking people with things that aren't Keyblades. The only problem they have with wielding a wooden sword or a Struggle bat is that they don't actually hurt people all that well on account of not being designed to hurt people. Judging by how they both play in tutorial sections, skill hitting people with a Keyblade translates perfectly to skill hitting people with other vaguely swordlike objects and vice versa.

All my OC's have weapon training so...

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Granted, rik, but that's a case of going from toy sword to Infinity +1 Sword. And even if he didn't remember it, Roxas had a year of experience in using the Keyblade behind that pwnage-dealing Struggle Club.

Which pretty much makes the Riku point a non-factor as well, since he went from Toy Blade to    DARKNESS    Blade to Keyblade. So the defining case here is pretty much up to Axel, and however well he is shown to perform in KHIII.

Also, HF, I still don't understand what you mean by this suggestion. The FF characters that we see in KH and the FF characters from the actual games aren't the same characters, but more like Identical Strangers.

Leon doesn't have much in common with Squall beyond the concept of "baggage from his past", and not only is it of a different nature (was too weak to make a difference when his hometown fell, rather than a huge case of Hedgehog's Dilemma), but it doesn't seem to drive him in the way that Squall's issues drove him. Although we can chalk this up to the Radiant Garden Restoration Committee having effectively zero real spotlight beyond the first game. And if anything, Leon seems to me like he's a bit older.

Yuffie initially appears to act more or less the same, but doesn't seem to have the original's kleptomaniac tendencies or obsession with materia (which could be substituted with any vaguely-significant shiny thing, really) - instead, that trait was passed over to the Gullwings.

Tifa doesn't have enough spotlight to really comment, but since she and everyone else in KHII are decked out in their Advent Children outfits (and seem to behave accordingly), she's probably the same age as in the original. This actually makes the KH version of Cloud rather problematic, since in KHII he acts similarly depressed to his appearance in AC, but doesn't seem to have nearly as much baggage behind him to justify it. Sephiroth is pretty much a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere, but he's an awesome Bonus Boss, so we don't really care.

Aerith is ostensibly just some random Nice Girl (like her FFVII self initially appeared to be), but while she can be firm at times, seems to be lacking a certain amount of the original's... spark. Cid, meanwhile, I think is actually fairly close to his original self, relative to the change in setting and Bowdlerization due to KH being aimed at younger audiences.

I don't recall much of FFVI, but I'm fairly certain that Setzer isn't any younger in KH than in his debut. He is probably In Name Only, though.

Selphie more or less rings true to the source material as a romantic and a go-getter, her reduction in age from high-schooler to elementary schooler notwithstanding.

Seifer, Raijin, and Fuujin are randomly psuedo-gangsta delinquents, effectively a canon, slightly de-aged High School AU version of their original selves. But I finally got to hear "Hey. Chicken wuss." fully voiced, so I'm willing to forgive some of that.

Vivi is pretty much in a similar boat to Cloud. Looks and acts more or less the same, but doesn't have the backstory to explain why.

Wakka is also pretty much Wakka In Name Only, although this is mostly a product of the change in setting; he is, in effect, a canon Middle School AU version of his FFX self.

Tidus is a bit of a screwball to think about, because he looks and acts somewhat like a chibified version of his adult self (though we haven't had any appropriate situations to see whether he's still an emotional crybaby). However, we actually saw what Tidus looked and acted like as a kid in FFX flashbacks, and KH!Tidus really does not look or act like kid!FF!Tidus.

Zack is an egregious cameo and has been de-aged for some reason, but IIRC he acts more or less like he did at the start of Crisis Core.

Did I forget anyone?

edited 29th Nov '14 9:06:33 PM by EvaUnit01

I think the people who are only ones good with other weapons are the Final Fantasy characters.

I mean deageing them but also giving them all baggage that their FF counterparts have. Or well the ones that are debut in the fic.

I'm not touching the characters who already debuted with a ten foot pole.

edited 29th Nov '14 9:24:27 PM by HeirophantsFool

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The FF chars in KH are peculiar, especially Auron, who seems to have his FFX backstory despite the FFX cast being cattered across a multitude of worlds.

My personal philosophy in adapting Square chars to KH is this. Are they from Final Fantasy? If so, I adapt them to one of the worlds, Disney or otherwise. Are they from another game, like Bravely Default or TWEWY? Then they can be from their original worlds, since that's certainly the case in KH 3 D. That being said, I think it's totally feasible to stick closer to the FF origins with personality, backstory, and even worlds. The great thing about fic is that there's a lot of room for exploration and experimentation.

I'm curious about what you guys think happened to Zack, though. In BBS' credits, there's a feather, and he disappears. It'd be easy to assume that he died as a result, but it's such a quick, vague way of offing the character that I'm not sure what to make of it, and I wonder if it'd be safer to just not have him appear until KH 3 is out, on the off chance that he pops up.

Also, since you asked for it, Eva, you can find the KH 2 manga at kh13.com. It's translated up to some of the recent chapters, I believe, but the image resolution on the early stuff is kinda small. A quick google search revealed this as an alternative: http://www.mangareader.net/1677-53582-1/kingdom-hearts-2/chapter-1.html

The manga is fantastic for Kairi, as it gives her time to shine and showcase more of her personality. Plus, she has more interaction with Riku, which I am always happy to see.

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Jeezum crow, how did I forget Auron?! Yeah, he's another screwball to think about, for pretty much the opposite reasons as Cloud.

Hm. Y'see, myself I've been toying with the idea of adapting FF characters to the KH setting, and while they would pretty much still be Identical Strangers or Expies of the original, I'd still try and do the original justice. One thought, for example, included having Sabin in Beast's Castle (the world, not the castle itself) as a traveling monk from the East. That he could totally suplex the train heartless has nothing to do with it. Alternately, he might reside in the Land of Dragons.

I could have Edea Kramer running an orphanage in Traverse Town, for children who lost their Worlds to darkness.

Steiner and Zidane could be in the Notre Dame world; Steiner as a Guard/Soldier with Phoebus, Zidane as one of Esmerelda's gypsy friends. I mean, he is an actor and thief, after all. ... Although, this does bring in the question of what Steiner is loyal to, if Princess Garnet a.k.a. Dagger isn't around as well.

I'm not sure of how to handle Terra and Celes in a non-FFVI setting... unless I went the route of putting them in a world based on Parasite Eve, which has its own form of internal logic to justify Terra and Celes having (totally-not-)magic in a generally non-magic setting, as well as giving the former a meta-justification for her Esper form/mutation.

Setzer probably would've been better off in a The Princess And The Frog-type of world.

re:Zack: Like I said, egregious cameo. I don't really care about Zack anyway. Hell, as far as having someone-corrupted-by-DARKNESS that Terra can fight, IMO it would have worked as well or better to use a young Cloud. It could foreshadow Cloud's being there in KHI, it could foreshadow Sephiroth somehow coming into being as a naturally-occurring Vanitas to Cloud's Ven, and if Cloud's memories were somehow messed with later (much like what happened in FFVII), it could explain why he sought out Hades again prior to KHI, unwittingly asking help from the same guy that screwed him over a decade prior.

... although admittedly, this does also end up assuming some degree of Timey-Wimey Ball to explain why Cloud still looks 20 instead of 30 in the numbered games, but if he was actually chronologically older, got stuck in the Realm of Darkness for a number of years, then managed to escape and met up with Aerith and Tifa prior to his KHI apearance..