Poor Image: Wimpification

Well, the concept and execution are sound enough, but good God is the Moe Rorschach artifacted to Hell and back. This one's in dire need of a quality upgrade, if anyone knows the original source. I'm a little busy, myself.

Once that's cleared up, though, you can go ahead and lock this one up; it's the only issue I have with the image.

The issue I have is that nothing in the image indicates that these two characters are the same person.

The trenchcoat is similar?

Yeah, that latter Kovacs pic is horrible...+1 to pulling the entire thing.

Concur.

Definitely agree with pulling.

Pull it.

Pulled

This image used to be on the page before it was changed without discussion.

That's workable, though he doesn't look particularly badass in the first image.

No, but he does look like someone I'd take seriously in the first picture. And even though the art style is completely different, they at least vaguely look like the same person — same basic hair style, (including the lock falling down over his face on the right), same outfit, they both have glasses... That's more than I can say for the current one.

edited 16th Aug '13 11:05:08 AM by Madrugada

I'd be fine with restoring 9 pending other suggestions.

I was thinking Luigi, personally. Nintendo's really been playing up his cowardly side of late... he was a lot less outgoing than his brother in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, and sounded significantly more nervous in Brawl than he did in Mêlée. Great example.

Question becomes, does that translate to great image? We could contrast his relatively normal demeanor in this◊ Super Mario Bros. 2 image, to his depiction◊ in Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, I suppose.

EDIT: Wait, this is when fans wimp a character so he can be the submissive end of a gay relationship in their fanfic? Really? I thought it was a narrower version of Flanderization. Well, shit, Luigi isn't relevant at all, then.

edited 16th Aug '13 11:38:32 AM by ShadowHog

I don't think 9 works. It's cute, not wimpy. And more of an artstyle difference than a character difference, as I'd expect all other characters to be drawn in the same style.

I agree. Furthermore, I don't think 9 shows that they're the same character, because the glasses they wear are different, and I think the second pic is a woman.

Any two images we come up with will by definition not look very much like each other. The best we can hope for is similar outfit, hairstyle, accessories, etc.

I don't really see the "female" in the second part.

Precisely, which is why it's a problem that the bottom pic has a different accessory (the glasses) than the top one.

This is a TRS issue, but why is this trope limited to fan fiction?

Probably came out of someone noting that fanfic authors tend to write characters OOC in this particular way to suit the story and add drama.

I like 9 but it doesn't show the being gay part or the Fan Fic part. This is supposed to be the Spear Counterpart of Chickification but it seems needlessly specific.

edited 17th Aug '13 3:35:04 PM by lexicon

To answer the question posed by post 18:

The reason Wimpification is a yaoi fanfic specific trope is because that's what it was made as, and I vote that it stays that way for three reasons:

1. The sheer volume of examples justifies it.

2. The basic principle behind Chickification (the show needs a Designated Victim to hold the Distress Ball, so it turns the Action Girl into a wimp) doesn't really translate to males at all, nor does the principle behind Wimpification (a male becomes more effeminate to appeal to gay males who like that) translate to women. The two ARE NOT Spear/Distaff Counterparts of each other. They are NOT two sides of the same coin. They are completely and utterly different tropes that just happen to share a minor coincidental similarity (an association with Badass Decay). They aren't the same trope any more than Red Right Hand is the same as Dark Is Evil.

3. There are already two tropes for more general examples: if it happens in an adaptation it's Adaptational Wimp, and if it happens within the same work/franchise it's Badass Decay.

edited 19th Aug '13 7:25:01 PM by Knight9910

That makes sense, but I would clear up the related tropes paragraph.

"Subtrope of Out of Character. Often causes Badass Decay. Can be considered a subtrope of Adaptational Wimp."

It doesn't cause Badass Decay if it's limited to Fan Fiction, and Badass Decay is within the primary work. And it's the Fan Fiction equivalent of Adaptational Wimp, not a Sub-Trope.

Also, I think we can slash "Fan Fic based on…" in the folder headers. It's cumbersome, and most Fan Fic Tropes don't do that.

edited 19th Aug '13 8:07:33 PM by Rethkir

I agree with using only Fanfic images there, although I will note that neither #1 nor #2 of @21 are really valid reasons for restricting the trope; only #3 is.

#3 was the only reason I cared to read or address. Going back to images, we need something from a Fan Fic. I'd like to have an image that resembles the one on Alternative Character Interpretation, comparing a character in a work to a Fan Fic interpretation.

edited 20th Aug '13 4:05:19 AM by Rethkir

That's just Out of Character, not this particular subtrope.