Unclear Description: Everythings Cuter With Lucky Charms

The trope seems to be Lucky Charms Title-style shapes incorporated into the scenery, but at no point in the article is the trope actually described. Also, Everythings Worse With Snowclones.

edited 14th Jul '13 12:20:30 AM by Pig_catapult

Agreed. It sounds like it's about the food and is suffering from disuse for a common opening trope.

Edit: Actually, I'm wondering is this is a trope at all. Examples like "Miki's Shojo Adventures has stars in the first OP" tell me nothing and has no bearing on the plot.

edited 14th Jul '13 1:09:17 AM by MikuruFan

11 wicks and inbounds.

Is this just "lucky charms"?

Sounds like the subject of this thread would fit better in the existing "Everything's confusing with 'Everything's Better With' tropes" thread. The trope does look like "lucky charms".

Cut.

From the first post of said thread:

This is exactly the feeling I'm getting from this trope.

edited 14th Jul '13 1:25:34 AM by MikuruFan

Lucky Charms Title is a Title Trope.

edited 14th Jul '13 7:09:27 AM by Stratadrake

Title Trope.

That is more obvious than random symbols appearing in the opening.

No YKTTW, 11 wicks, no inbounds, awful description, and no examples with context. We would lose absolutely nothing by Throwing It Out the Airlock.

edited 14th Jul '13 1:43:10 PM by StarSword

Yes. Burn it. With all the fires.

I think this should be cut and sent to YKTTW. It doesn't seem to be just "lucky charms", but about how a 'cutesy' (especially 'girly') show will be front-loaded with them, in a similar manner to how an action show will have an Action-Hogging Opening.

edited 14th Jul '13 5:31:06 PM by Noaqiyeum

Cut it.

Sure, cut. Optionally, send to YKTTW.

Seems like it's just Say It with Hearts, but with less connotation to a specific symbol. Note that Say It with Hearts also includes non-heart symbols.

Looks really like just Say It with Hearts. I guess dump anything that is salvageable there and cut this thing.

Say It with Hearts is distinct. It's about the use of hearts in speech bubbles for cutesiness.

The description of Say It with Hearts explicitly includes musical notes, which I implied above, so not just about hearts. It's also not only about speech bubbles either, as having a heart drawn in your mouth also counts. I'd say both of those exceptions pretty much says Tropes Are Not Narrow. It is, however, for cutesiness. Or a sing-song voice.

I can see one difference, though. Say It with Hearts is about the tone of the message, while Everythings Cuter With Lucky Charms is just visual decoration, much like Lucky Charms Title. But as such, I don't think it makes any sense at all to include examples where it isn't in text, like the cereal, or the Panel de Pon example.

Most examples are just "has symbols". No meaning, no pattern, aside from that those symbols exist in the works. The last example is the only one that actually describes how it uses the symbols at all, and not just a binary "uses trope: yes/no". Well, there are details in the second to last example as well. Lucky Charms Title details.

I think Everythings Cuter With Lucky Charms can safely be cut without loss of value. Lucky Charms Title can probably be expanded to include text other than titles without loss of the meaning of the trope. It apparently already includes names, for one.

Say It with Hearts can probably be clarified a little so it's clear what's included or not. Basically using graphical symbols to indicate tone. Hearts is just the most common.

Couldn't agree more.

The difference I see is that Say It with Hearts is about a speaker's tone of voice (hence why the charm appears in the speech bubble or replacing the mouth). This seems to be just a design element with no particular connection to anything someone is saying.

I don't think they can be merged cleanly except for that one example.

Isn't that the difference I mentioned?

I think it's basically useless as it is. It could potentially work as a supertrope to both, though, about the use of non-standard symbols in text, since it technically covers both Lucky Charms Title and Say It with Hearts. Though that's probably just because it's so indistinct.

It would probably be better to just expand those two tropes and cut this one, or clarify the Tropes Are Not Narrow aspect of them and cut this one. That is, Lucky Charms Title to be about using symbols to make a text visually distinctive, and Say It with Hearts to be about using symbols in text to convey the tone of the text. Which basically is what I think they are anyway.

Lucky Charms Title is more noticeable than this one, but there seem to be cultural differences. Many Eastern media include random symbols in the title for any show, while Western media use a symbol that resembles a letter. Something that gets lampshaded in the Big Bang Theory example.

Lucky Charms Title may need a split if anything. One where random symbols are added into the title without affecting any correct characters; one where letters are replaced with letterlike symbols.

edited 17th Jul '13 6:37:19 PM by MikuruFan

Sorry, I misread. :P

I don't think this has anything to do with text, though, so I guess I'm confused why you keep suggesting it should. I think we should cut it and send it through YKTTW as a spectacle trope.

I mention text because if you find it in text, it sticks out, as it's not text itself. Outside that, it's just a symbol. No symbol in particular, and no meaning, just a symbol. Or a simple image of something. It's like having a trope for lines. Or mono-coloured backgrounds.

o_O

...sorry, that makes no sense.

It's funny that you talk about having tropes for lines and simple images and monochrome screens. Sigil Spam, Tron Lines, Instant Runes, Streaming Stars, Stop Motion Lighting, at least half the tropes on Stock Visual Metaphors...

If you don't think that makes sense you've got a perfectly accurate vision of how I see it.

Tron Lines and Streaming Stars aren't just "lines". They both have a distinct purpose and a meaning. Not just "this work has lines".

OK, that discussion aside, is there any reason to keep this page? (other than the symbol list?) If there is anything tropeworthy about lucky charms, someone can take that to YKTTW.