The Scrappy Cleanup

Question: Gaz in Invader Zim qualifies? And Misty in Pokemon?

edited 28th Apr '14 3:48:59 PM by MagBas

I don't know about Gaz, but Misty definitely does not. Or else there wouldn't be people still clamoring for her return years after she was written out of the series.

Okay, thanks.

I don't think Gaz qualifies, if I remember correctly most fans were indifferent towards her.

If people in general are indifferent she could easily come across as a Scrappy, since if there are people who hate her there are few who would defend her, and those haters would colour the perception quite readily.

Two questions.

1: Can a character be a Scrappy if we're not supposed to like him/her? Wouldn't that be Hate Sink?

2: Can a main character be a Scrappy?

1. Yes. But it depends on what kind of hate the character generates. Is it a, "I want her humiliated," or, "I want her gone from the continuity." The former is a Hate Sink, and the latter a Scrappy. Or in different words, a Watsonian hate makes for a Hate Sink, while a Doylist hate makes for a Scrappy. They're also not mutually exclusive.

2. Yes. It's not like Creator's Pet, which has an additional requirement of the character being put into big scenes for no reason, as being a main character is a good enough reason.

edited 21st May '14 6:11:59 PM by AnotherDuck

Although it should be noted that some cases on the wiki of calling Hate Sink characters The Scrappy, at least from what I've seen, are misuse and not overlap.

I'd like to propose Kazumi from Gokukoku No Brynhildr. Freely spouts annoying, inappropriate sexual comments, constantly making unwanted advances and carries out Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male for little to no provocation.

I'd take it a bit carefully, considering it's still ongoing. What's the general opinion in the thread here? I'm watching, but don't read the thread, due to spoiler stuff.

Just for the record, I removed two examples (from ARIA and Queen's Blade) as the examples themselves basically admitted that the characters were Base Breakers.

Also removed Haruhi. Forgot she was still there, and I can't find any evidence other than that she's a Base Breaker as well, at most.

Should Hermione Granger count? She Took a Level in Dumbass during the SPEW subplot of Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, where she failed to realize House Elves love doing work and that Dumbledore would be the last person to abuse them. It Got Worse in the last three books where she seriously Took a Level in Jerkass. First, there was jinxing the DA sign-up sheet to disfigure potential traitors without their knowledge. The DA being in serious danger could have been avoided if Hermione told the members after they signed the paper that it was jinxed. This leads to someone attempting to rat out the DA, causing Dumbledore to leave. Then there was leading Umbridge to a pack of centaur. If you know anything about Greek Mythology and noticed the signs of trauma in the aftermath, it was heavily implied that Umbridge was gang-raped. What makes it worse is that it was implied Hermione knew that would happen with a smug smirk. Yes, Umbridge was evil, but you never justify rape. Next was in Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince, where Hermione got so jealous of Ron dating Lavender that she unleashed a pack of birds on him and then gave him a No Bars Hold Beat Down after he returned to the group in Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows. Remember that we're supposed to actually root for her getting with Ron.

Excuse me, but is your name Imaweeboappearantly on IMDB?

You're pretty much alone about disliking Hermione and/or feeling sorry for Marietta or Umbridge, so nope, she's not a Scrappy.

edited 23rd Jun '14 10:40:46 AM by Furienna

Am I? Look at the Dethroning Moment Of Suck page for Harry Potter.

So, you automatically assume I'm the same person because of a similar opinion?

edited 23rd Jun '14 12:43:40 PM by Animeking1108

Don't bring other places' issues here, and don't argue posters. Argue posts.

Hermione is not a scrappy. She's more popular than not, from all I've heard.

edited 23rd Jun '14 1:19:01 PM by AnotherDuck

Yeah, Hermione has a fairly small hatedom, mostly people like her and/or relate to her.

The Western Animation The Scrappy subpage is in general kind of a mess, with several entries outright stating the characters in question are examples of Base Breakers instead. However, in particular, I'd like to question the entry for Iron Kid. While I have watched the show, and Buttons the dog does indeed adjust himself to the "goofy critter" archetype people seem to hate so much, with the series being so obscure, I seriously doubt that it has enough of a fanbase to even create a Hatedom around one of its characters.

edited 29th Jun '14 2:58:00 PM by WackyPancake

I forget, are Base Breaker and The Scrappy mutually exclusive? I see some examples in the Pokémon YMMV page are listed under both.

edited 14th Jul '14 3:19:07 AM by Karxrida

Yes. A Base Breaker has a significant fandom and hatedom, while The Scrappy is hated by a majority of the audience, without having fans to weigh it up.

Looking at the Shin Megami Tensei Scrappy page, under the Persona 4 entry, does Noriko Kashiwagi belong here? She's actually seen In-Universe as a Replacement Scrappy for King Moron, since as big of a Jerkass as he was, Kashiwagi's vanity, arrogance, and sickening attempts at flirting with any man, up to and including her own students, makes them revile her.

Similarly, what about Hanako? She's one of the most unpleasant minor characters in the game and it wouldn't surprise me to hear that she's considered a scrappy.

I'm not familiar with that series, but a character being unpleasant and disliked In-Universe points to her being a Hate Sink. It doesn't necessarily make it so, and it's not mutually exclusive from The Scrappy, but it's a point to take in mind. Basically, the question is if fans want to see the character humiliated one way or another, or just gone from the continuity.

Master Xehanort in the Kingdom Hearts series?

• Villain Sue
• Jerkass (His But for Me, It Was Tuesday reaction to Terra's, Aqua's, and Ven's sacrifices seems to have angered their fans.)
• Kudzu Plot
• Shoot the Shaggy Dog (What his 3D/III plan arguably does to Birth by Sleep.)

edited 30th Jul '14 6:24:44 AM by Peridonyx

It's really a fandom trope, not a character trope. What do the fans of the series think about him?

@Another Duck:

All of those are YMMV, and therefore, opinionated.

edited 2nd Aug '14 12:07:18 PM by Peridonyx

Only the first of those four tropes shows as YMMV for me, and two of those are plot tropes. Not to mention, Tropes Are Not Bad. A character can be associated with all of those and still be a fan-favourite.