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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
In uffish thought
Shorter but probably not as short as possible: "This is just a thing that happens. It doesn't have any meaning."
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Trollblade69
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Perfect. Now we just need to add a note to the main page that says "DO NOT MAKE YKTTW TOPICS FOR THINGS THAT FALL UNDER THIS. WE REALLY CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH"
That sounds good to me.
Zzzzzzzzzz
T Hat's an excellent laconic for PSOC.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Laconic switch is done. And now I wonder if That would make a good joke page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Thinking about changing the laconic of Lady in Red from "Girls who wear red are hot" to "A seductress wearing a red dress". How's that?
Hi
That's much more in line with what the trope is supposed to be. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
On the other hand, Lady in Red is in the TRS right now, so better to hold off that change until a decision has been reached.
Cowardly Lion has a two-paragraph laconic, and it can work with only one.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Gave it a shot, could be shorter.
edited 2nd Mar '14 3:10:53 AM by treelo
Zzzzzzzzzz
Nice fix on Cowardly Lion, treelo.![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
Excellent as it stands; making it shorter won't make it better.
He/Him
The current laconic for No Antagonist is "Antagonist not appearing in conflict-less stories" with a link to Sir Not-Appearing-in-This-Trailer. However, the main page description notes that you can have conflict in a story without an antagonist. I propose changing it to "There's no antagonist for the protagonist to defeat or overcome." (I thought of other words to use in place of antagonist like bad guy or foe, but none seemed to fit).
My troper wall
Blapper of Water
I'm not sure where else to ask this, but it is about Laconic entries.
Does anyone care about the formatting on the bottom of the Laconic entries? Should I continue to correct the formatting?
I've gone through the list of Laconic entries up to Laconic.Adaptive Armor to get a link to the main article (with appropriate namespacing) and the horizontal rules on the pages. I've also been taking out some of the "<<|Laconic Wiki|>>" stuff, but I'm not sure if I should continue.
For the record, I haven't changed the clever/funny/whatever wording on already existing snippets (or whatever they're called), only adding missing ones and correcting any formatting "error."
edited 13th May '14 9:06:06 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
That weird symbol thingy can be removed - see the bottommost bullet point on How Indexing Works.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zzzzzzzzzz
Bringing the pointers into standard formatting is fine. Adding them where there isn't one already is wonderful. And what Septimus said is completely accurate — that odd markup is an artifact of the old indexing system and removing it is fine ; it doesn't do anything anymore.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Tired forever.
The laconic for Irony is currently: "An outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected."
I know the true meaning of irony is widely debated, but that looks pretty iffy to me.
edited 15th May '14 4:37:10 AM by GingerSnaps
What is this "sleep" you speak of?
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
I wouldn't say it's wrong, but it only covers a fairly narrow part of what irony means.
edited 15th May '14 8:40:58 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
iRidescence
That definition comes from the dictionary, so I wouldn't say it's iffy. Unless you want to expand the laconic to include the many definitions of irony
(which, IMO, would make it too long).
Blapper of Water
I think the post you linked to makes a potential laconic wiki entry look longer than it would actually be. In the post by rodneyAnonymous, each of the meanings aren't particularly long but there is at least one extra comment or example after each.
iRidescence
I did say including all those description will make it too long.
Blapper of Water
Whops, I misinterpreted you. I think the laconic can be "too short," and I think one catch-all laconic for irony may be too short no matter what it says.
Blapper of Water
Things of concern or significance that I noticed as I was editing Laconic entries:
- Some Laconic Wiki pages have two entries on them already:
- Laconic.Arthur has only one entry but Main.Arthur has three articles titled "Arthur" (WesternAnimation.Arthur, Film.Arthur, and Literature.Arthur).
- Some LW pages redirect to other LW pages for some reason? Should they be cut?
- Laconic.Ambition is one such page.
Rival Turned Evil is short and seems to be relying on all the links.
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Fixed It.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Courtesy link: Laconic.People Sit On Chairs.
Now, I agree that the current laconic is too long, but the suggestion sounds like it would be better home in Laconic.Not A Trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman