The Grand Unified Appearance Trope Clean-up:

I think just a general Western Bridal Dress trope can cover just about everything we need it to. Troping the individual elements of the costume instead of the costume itself just dissolves the tropes into meaninglessness. There is a level of granulation where things stop being tropes.

Most of what we're dealing with here has hit that level. Splitting them into smaller tropes doesn't help. We need to start getting away from looking at individual items of clothing and look at the general styles that are actual tropes.

The super-specific trope names have just created more ZC Es, not fewer. I think we need to start finding the actual tropes here rather than just picking out one element at a time that's associated with the tropes.

edited 25th Jul '15 7:35:10 PM by shimaspawn

@1000: It's kind of a visual stereotype. "A bride's outfit should have these elements, so that the viewer would know she's a bride". Kind of a visual shorthand for "bride".

See Dressed to Plunder for a similar trope, for example.

@1001: Yeah, that's what I was talking about. And yes, the addition of "Western" is important, since there of course are other strong cultural traditions in the world (though the Stereotypical Western Bridal Outfit has been creeping out into non-Western cultures as well in modern times)

As for tropes... I feel that it depends on the situation. Sometimes a general trope is better, sometimes a more precise one, sometimes both. Depends on the case.

Unless more de-wicking needs to be done, the thread title should probably be changed.

Well we do have Weddings in Japan. Perhaps we could make similar pages for other cultures (if we haven't already).

Thigh High Boots has still dewicking to do. If we are handling another trope however, moving the thread onto that trope is appropriate.

I'd like to add Heroic Albino and Evil Albino to the to-do list.

In the course of a discussion on the "Is this an example?" thread (starting from here and continuing to the next page), it's been concluded that there may be a need to iron out a supertrope for Heroic Albino and Evil Albino that specifically deals with the particular phenotype that is central to them — or rather, the stereotypical portrayal(s)/perception(s) of what said phenotype looks like that are held by creators of fiction (and, by proxy, a good portion of fiction consumers), which is not quite accurate to the real-life condition of albinism (and indeed most if not all examples of the two tropes are never described or even alluded to as being actually albinistic).

^ Those two are already on the list.

Speaking of the to-do-list, it's kind of behind. I should probably just make a list everything that was missed

Sometimes I think it might be slightly better to have everything in a sandbox but that's probably pointless since its probably just fine as is...

What's up with Thigh High Boots? Is it now a super trope to Zettai Ryouiki, Combat Stilettos, or Dominatrix?

edited 7th Aug '15 10:45:32 PM by Serocco

No, its not a trope anymore. It's a disambiguation

Since no one commented on my suggestion about the Dominatrix part of the disambiguation, I just went and edited it. Feel free to give critique about this edit.

So, guys. Let's talk more about these trope suggestions:

• Dominatrix Inspired Costume: The character is not a Dominatrix per se, but her costume is obviously inspired by Dominatrix outfits.
• Stereotypical Western Bridal Dress: A white Fairytale Wedding Dress, white veil, white Opera Gloves, white high heels — that's the stereotypical way of depicting a bride.
• High Social Status Opera Gloves: If we want to show that a woman is a member of the aristocracy or just very rich, her costume will always include opera gloves.
• Femme Fatale Opera Gloves: Same thing with a Femme Fatale.

Thoughts on these?

edited 9th Aug '15 4:03:02 AM by Rjinswand

I think that the Femme Fatal one is really more Film Noir Costuming. Again it's a larger trope than just the gloves. The gloves in that case come more from the asthetic of Film Noir than just sticking them on a Femme Fatal. The gloves themselves are meaningless, but combined with the rest of the asthetic they paint the picture of the character.

Likewise with the high society version. It's generally not just the gloves, but the gloves combined with a Pimped-Out Dress, hair in an elaborate style, sofiaticated make-up, and cultured elocution.

The focus on one article of clothing is just missing the forest for the trees.

What should be done about Red Is Heroic? A lot of examples just say that a character wears a little bit of red and is one of the good guys.

Hide zero context examples? Move to appropriate subtropes where applicable? Delete examples where it's not a main colour or an emphasised colour?

Um, the definition of Red Is Heroic literally is simply wearing red and being a good guy (as long as the villains usually don't). So what other context is required (which would go well with this ykttw)?

@1011: You've got a point about Femme Fatale, and I agree. As for High Society Opera Gloves, the thing is, their pimped out dresses can be very different (depending on the era etc), while opera gloves are commonly used regardless. But maybe that's just too minor of a thing.

What's your opinion on Stereotypical Western Wedding Dress and Dominatrix Inspired Costume?

Those last two are awesome and should be taken to YKTTW. I'm willing to take the wedding dress one.

edited 10th Aug '15 2:25:31 PM by shimaspawn

For Red Is Heroic the context should say how wearing red makes the character stand out as a heroic person. It would be good to delete examples where it's not a main colour or an emphasized color and where the character does not stand out as being heroic.

Okay, though people familiar with the works should help add context to any examples that do fit.

Okay, I see what you did there, shimaspawn. You get to sponsor the decent and wholesome trope, while I'm left to sponsor the lewd one. (just kidding )

^ Yeah, but would you rather laugh with the sinners or cry with the saints?

^^ It's ok. I'll make it up to you by posting examples.

update post: Thigh High Boots is at 208.

@1016: Created the Dominant Woman In Leather YKTTW: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=3xoz0g3nq1cp36n18wt2z0k4

edited 18th Aug '15 4:03:19 PM by Rjinswand

So which tropes are we splitting off Thigh High Boots? I count Boots of Toughness, Thigh-High Boots of Power, and Dominant Woman in Leather (as part of a more comprehensive BDSM-inspired stereotypical costume). Are there any more? What was the final verdict on "thigh-highs (boots, stockings or other footwear) as fanservice"?

Dominant Woman's Leather Outfit

edited 24th Aug '15 3:11:53 AM by Rjinswand