Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
The Can Can Song: It's a Standard Snippet (i.e. one of those pieces of music which is instantly recognizable to most people in the Western world). However, it's already on Standard Snippet and I don't think we really need a page of "works the Can-Can is used in".
Dance on its grave.
edited 5th Dec '13 10:49:20 AM by kjnoren
Give genius66 time, looks like he's made pages before that wound up fine.
Plus, even if he only makes one, we don't know which he'll focus on. so I say just wait.
He also got suspended for making pages without examples before (among other things).
Anyhow, I'll wait one more time, unless someone goes ahead and reports them. I'll take care of the other pages in that occasion, too. In the meantime:
- All Is Forgiven: One sentence page.
That's not a sentence. That's a joke. Toss it.
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Not even a joke. But agree on the tossing part.
Sorcerer in training
What lexicon said.
Maybe genius66 could use a suggestion to use the Sandbox for his unfinished pages, so they don't risk getting cut if for some reason he's delayed in finishing them? Life happens, after all.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I've cutlisted All Is Forgiven. As for genius 66, I'll ask for opinions on Ask The Tropers.
Today's worklist:
- Homefront: Stub; creator messaged.
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Museum Game appears to be a prematurely launched in 2011.
I see two signs about this: one hat, and last reply was someone contesting the name for being ambiguous.
The number of hats on old YKTT Ws are not indicative of anything—it might date from the time before the hats were introduced.
That said, the fact that the OP asked "any reason why this can't be launched yet?" and someone said "yes, the name is ambiguous" (and they were right) isn't a good thing.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Aye, that was a bad thing to do. That said, unless there are other issues with the page a message to the launcher is the only thing I can see.
Anyhow, a few new trope pages:
- Sit Rep: Some formatting issues on top of lack of indexing or crosswicking.
- Xenophobic Egocentric Notorious Otherworlders: One example stub. Someone named TrustBen already cutlisted it.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
I was going to comment on the untropeability of the page, but I think there is something to salvage. I need some time to ponder the issue, but I think there is a trope present. Or possibly two.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Museum Game: While it's not great that it got launched with a name objection pending, I don't think that the name is so bad that we really need to take action.
Also, on a slightly related note, while there were hats at that point in YKTTW history, all drafts which were launched before the implementation of the current YKTTW system (sometime early or mid-2012, I think) are only going to have one hat, because the launch came with a bug that made a change of hats on one YKTTW propagate the new number of hats to all YKTTW drafts (including launched and discarded ones). The last hat change before the bug was fixed set all drafts to one hat, so any drafts launched before the fix show one hat regardless of how many they actually had at launch.
Sit Rep: I think there might be a trope buried in there, but I have no idea how to pull it out. If crazysamaritan can come up with something, he's certainly welcome to.
Xenophobic Egocentric Notorious Otherworlders: Certainly agree with the cutlisting.
Discussing Museum Game shouldn't go here anyway, given that it was launched 2 years ago.
"In distress", my ass.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Laconic: Character present gives a Situation Report over long a distance.
One of the benefits of long-distance communication is knowing what's going on very far away. People present in one place can call/write/text characters in a completely different place. When Time Travel is involved, characters might even communicate from one time period to another.
Sit-Rep, short for "Situation Report", is a military term where a soldier is giving a report on what's going on. Not everyone making a movie is military-trained, and having characters frantically yelling out a Sit-Rep, while trying to keep themselves from breaking and running, is much more satisfying. Poor Communication Kills may be in effect; narratively, we don't care if the characters are speaking clearly or not. What matters is just how bad the situation is gets conveyed. The Stoic calling HQ and saying "Huston, we may have a problem" is just as valid an example as a recording of screams and fright as people die.
Often an aversion of Never Give the Captain a Straight Answer. If there really is No Time to Explain, characters are dying.
- Real Life: A Sit-Rep is meant to be short and easily understood by everyone. Most soldiers are trained to deliver their report in a calm, almost robotic manner so that they can be understood by the person on the other end of the radio. Of course, this is a bit boring, and not all that dramatic, but it gets the message across without any errors. An aversion to Poor Communication Kills.
Sorcerer in training
That does sound like a trope.
I think that RL section should be part of the description, as with other Tropes mentioning Truth in Television/Real World times the trope happens and how it differs from the exciting movie portrayals. Usually the RL paragraph is right before the 'see these other related tropes' paragraph.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
So, crazysamaritan, can you fix the Sit Rep trope so that it becomes acceptable?
Anyhow, I have taken care of some pending business and come up with today's worklist:
edited 7th Dec '13 6:24:12 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Such paragraphs are sometimes useful, but I only like them if they're part of the definition. If it is an example of the trope, then why put it in the definition? It belongs in the examples.
Candi thinks I've found a trope. Is my last post an acceptable replacement? I wanted to check here first, and I have one vote so far.
Seems like a good replacement.
Anyhow, a few new pages:
- Jonathan Stroud: Fairly short creator page. I am thinking to propose a rule in Wiki Talk that creator pages need to cite at least 3 works before they can stand.
- Lockwood & Co.: Barely enough non-ZCE examples as of this post, but check the edit history - I've messaged them but didn't get a response yet.
- Sleepwalkin: Only two examples; creator messaged.
There's a general wiki rule that general examples aren't allowed. A lot of those Truth in Television-type examples fall afoul of that and thus belong in the description (or not on the page at all).
And the replacement description looks fine to me. I would recommend running it through YKTTW to example-farm.
I would support a three-work minimum rule for creator pages. Goes with all the other rules of three we have.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
How specific does the example have to get? Most serial works do not specify chapter/paragraph. How specific do I have to get for it not to count as "general"?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I'll hold off on the genius 66 pages until this evening, if people don't mind.
Today's worklist:
edited 5th Dec '13 7:59:45 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman