Five-Man Band has been receiving a lot of misuse. As was concluded in this TRS thread
, it needs a massive cleanup. There are over 30 subpages and almost 3500 wicks to be gone through. This thread is for organizing the cleanup effort and discussing any and all examples to be added and cut.
What is correct use of the trope?
- The characters must be part of a team, that is, a team dynamic must exist between members of the band.
- There must be exactly 5 team members
Format for examples
In an effort to cut down on misuse as well as get rid of all the Zero Context Examples, we are trying to shift all examples to the following format. If you are familiar with a current work and can do a writeup for it, please do so and post it here.
The sandbox for sorting examples is here.
Completed
Subpages:
- Other (Moved and redirected to a Just for Fun page, as that is what is was acting as.)
Still needs work
Wicks (Related To page):
- B-V
I will keep this post updated with the progress made, and any other needed information.
Edited by MacronNotes on May 19th 2022 at 8:59:40 AM
Would this work as a Five Bad Band?
- Batman V Superman Dawn Of Justice
- Big Bad: Lex Luthor, the main antagonist who has knowledge of both Batman and Superman and is trying to kill the latter.
- The Dragon: Anatoli Kzynev, a Russian mercenary who serves as an advance agent for Luthor.
- Evil Genius: The Kryptonian scout ship computer, who creates Doomsday and teaches Luthor about numerous offworld subjects, such as Darkseid.
- The Brute: Doomsday, an enormous "ancient Kryptonian deformity" who is created from the remains of General Zod and made only to kill Superman.
- Dark Chick: Mercy Graves, Luthor's female Number Two who is sacrificed to cover his tracks.
edited 16th Jul '16 10:46:17 AM by k410ren
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No. For one, none of the "members" are actually a team at any point in the film. Secondly, the "Evil Genius" is only a computer Lex operates himself.
Fair enough.
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yeah, just make sure teams are actually teams and not just a list of characters.
Even if they all qualify for the archetype tropes individually. You can have a Big Bad and his Dragon. An Evil Genius, a Brute and a Dark Chick in one work, but if they don't work together they aren't a Five Bad Band. They're just a Big Bad, Dragon, Evil Genius, Brute and Dark Chick.
edited 16th Jul '16 5:00:26 PM by acrobox
My thoughts were that these people all worked under Lex Luthor, with Kzynev as his main henchman throughout the film who did advance work for Luthor, the scoutship computer as an artificial intelligence that gives Luthor info on numerous topics (including Darkseid) and created Doomsday, while Doomsday was a towering powerhouse that is an unthinking force of nature, similar to the Titans from Hercules and Mercy Graves was Luthor's Number Two who was eventually regarded as a Disposable Woman. Wow, he treated her like "number 2".
For example I actually thought my suggestion for Five-Man Band for Mallrats worked as a team, with T.S. as The Hero, Brodie as The Lancer as T.S.' friend, the secondary protagonist and Foil, Jay makes the plans, Silent Bob does the lifting, and Gwen is The Chick, who is an intermediary between T.S. and Brandi, trying to persuade Brandi to give T.S. a second chance.
edited 16th Jul '16 6:22:47 PM by k410ren
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Would this work for the Five Man Band?
- Erin - The Leader
- Abby - The Lancer
- Jillian - The Brain
- Patty - The Big Guy
- Kevin - The Chick
Obviously has the genres inverted. Btw I saw the movie and is not that bad, just another unwanted reboot as Robocop and TMNT, I think could even be better that Ghostbusters Two.
The Unknown
Those are Zero Context, plus The Chick is never male.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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Aren't all the examples zero context in that particular page? And then, what happens when the band is made of four women and one man?
edited 16th Jul '16 11:48:47 PM by Luppercus
Four women and one man would be a gender inverted example, provided the roles all match up. But it's a ZCE, so no idea.
The Unknown
I don't think gender inversions are even allowed for this. The trope's citeria is pretty strict.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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Hmm shame, I think this is an interesting example. Inversion example are use in most articles.
I could've sworn we had accepted Male chicks for an FMB where everyone else is gender-inverted.
I know it had at least been discussed.
In any case, that brings up the question of whether the (un-)inverted Ghostbusters could fit:
- The Leader: Venkman is the main character and takes the lead both on missions and in their business.
- The Lancer: Ray. While Venkman is a sarcastic schemer, Ray is honest and cheerful.
- The Big Guy: Winston. Unlike the other guys who are all scientists, Winston's primary role in the group is to provide muscle. In earlier drafts he also has military training.
- The Smart Guy: Egon. Among a team of academics, he stands out as being the smartest and the most obsessed with doing things For Science!.
- The Chick: Janine, the guys' secretary. While the guys do the actual ghost-busting, Janine is the one who keeps the business running and stays away from the fighting.
My writeup for Ray is weak, I admit, but Janine's the sticking point for me. She really lacks any The Heart qualities and she's only really Chick-ish in the sense that she isn't a fighter.
edited 18th Jul '16 8:48:57 AM by Larkmarn
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The Unknown
Not sure if they can qualify since Janine isn't part of the busting, and thus not the team. She's Mission Control at best.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
@1205 So you can have all the parts of a Five Bad Band without a team?
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Yes. The individual tropes are themselves tropes. They exist outside of Five-Man Band. The Leader, The Chick, The Smart Guy and The Big Guy can be in any team setting; its about distinctions. The Lancer exists in relation to The Hero so it doesn't even need a "team" frame to exist.
Though The Chick basically needs at least a team, possibly specifically a Five-Man Band.
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The Chick def doesnt need a Five-Man Band, and may not need a team either. They are all standalone tropes.
The original Ghostbusters seem like they can fit. Their Chick is like an April O'Neil type. No she's not a turtle but she regularly supports them. (the turtles are also not an FMB, so prime example of The Chick not needing it)
See Sandbox The Chick for where that write up is if you have any opinions on it.
edited 18th Jul '16 1:04:31 PM by acrobox
Janine can be The Chick in the original cartoon series, as she did gain her Ghostbusting wings in that show and go on busts on several occasions. She started off in one of Venkamn's spare uniforms until she got her own girly pink one, and she was stated to be 'part of the team' on a number of different occasions.
In the cartoon she looked after the guys as well as the business and varied between being a damsel the guys needed to save or a fellow ghostbuster who helped them kick arse (she also rescued them a couple of times).
In the films, however, not so much. There is a bit of a distinction between the characters in the original films and the original cartoons (the cartoon's in-universe excuse was that they were the real ones and the films were in-universe films - with bad acting and actors who didn't look like them).
And I remember way too much about this show.
edited 18th Jul '16 2:23:49 PM by Wyldchyld
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Ray could make The Lancer. He's the opposite of Venkman. Venkman is cynical, suspicious and sees the worst in people and approaches situations with a glass half-empty attitude. He's a womaniser and a jock. Ray is deeply enthusiastic, is trusting, always sees the best in people, approaches everything with a glass half-full attitude.
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i'll leave it to consensus of the group, but a straight example of a gender inversion i would be fine with, because that seems like a creator intentionally acknowledging, using, and playing with the trope.
As long as the roles are very obvious and clear cut. no ZC Es
Gender inversions sound good to me if it really explains how it fits.
Hawaii Five-0 has gotten some subtractions and additions over the years, but the numbers are valid for a Five-Man Band. Adding context to justify the characters' role.
- The Leader: Steve. He goes by the title of Lieutenant Commander, and gives the orders.
- The Lancer: Danny. Despite being outranked by Chin in the Honolulu Police Departmentnote , Steve specifically chose Danny as his second-in-command.
- The Big Guy: Chin Ho.
- The Smart Guy: Max. He works for the Honolulu County Coroner's Office.
- The Chick: Kono. She's the only female character on the force.
- Sixth Ranger: Grover. Former SWAT Captain of Honolulu PD, he joins at the end of the fourth season after being forced to retire.
- Tagalong Kid: Jerry. Chin Ho recruits him when they reach a dead-end. The only member of the team without a background in law enforcement.
I have a feeling that some of the roles should be switched around, but what are your thoughts?
OK, this is one I know. The Leader and The Lancer fit, fer sure. The Big Guy I have no idea how it's supposed to fit, either from show or example. The Smart Guy, maybe Max fits. Kono could go either way on The Chick, but The Smart Guy may fit there as well I feel at times. Sixth Ranger seems fine. Not familiar with the Tagalong Kid trope to know whether that fits but it doesn't belong here.
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edited 15th Jul '16 11:07:30 AM by Silverblade2