Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Apocalypse Not probably should not have real world examples, as people just natter and it has little to do with the trope.
Evil Tower of Ominousness is mostly just listing towers that look evil and ominous - I don't see a problem with that.
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Except that that's not the trope, so almost all of the examples ought to be axed for being misuse. And those that actually meet the trope really do stray into "call real people evil" territory.
Enfant Terrible should have its real life section removed for the same reason other evilness tropes don't get real life examples.
edited 23rd Jul '12 7:32:53 PM by MyTimingIsOff
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Well, Evil Tower of Ominousness has been up for more than 2 days, it has more than 10 votes and the yeas outnumber the nays for more than 2:1, so, with your blessings, I'm gonna go and apply the chainsaw to its Real Life section.
edited 26th Jul '12 6:21:11 AM by Sachiko
"Suffer a vicious person and you will fear vice. Suffer a virtuous one and you will soon loathe virtue itself." Tony Duvert
The real life section for Mail-Order Bride reads like an ad for Mail Order Brides. I think maybe it could have a real life section, but maybe only listing notable cases?
edited 25th Jul '12 8:51:17 AM by wuggles
"In distress", my ass.
^ Unfortunately the troper base in general isn't all that good on limiting themselves to just "notable" examples, even without No Such Thing As Notability being a concern.
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Added White-Haired Pretty Girl to the crowner because any examples are pretty much by definition misuse, as magical powers or being not-quite-human are impossible in real life, but I didn't think I should axe the examples just on my own say-so.
No, the other one.
I'm new to this section of the TV Tropes forums, but I've not seen Obviously Evil marked for No Real Life Examples Please. At any rate, it still has Real Life examples, and for obvious reasons, I believe it shouldn't.
Does this fall under How Did We Miss This One?
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Yeah, that should be NRLEP. Added to the crowner.
I think Amoral Attorney should get its RL section cut as per the "no Real Life examples for evilness tropes" policy.
A genius, a philosopher, an abstract thinker
Morton's Fork needs fixing. Whether killing or trimming, you decide, but it's a natter magnet.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
WhamEpisode.Real Life probably should be cut. Real Life isn't a scripted show.
Would it be appropriate to delete the No Real Life Examples Please tropes from the World War II page? It's swarming with evilness tropes at the moment.
A genius, a philosopher, an abstract thinker
No, the other one.
It doesn't really matter if the Real Life examples are on the trope page, a work page, Useful Notes, or somewhere else. If those tropes have No Real Life Examples Please, I take that to mean there should be no Real Life examples of them anywhere on TV Tropes.
Edit: Actually, considering the nature of that page, I would say it's also prudent to remove or rewrite the tropes that state that there's a Good side, where the implication is that their opponents are Evil.
edited 31st Jul '12 11:51:50 PM by AnotherDuck
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I concur. NRLEP tropes should be removed from any RL articles on which they are wicked.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
That is already policy, for the record.
Added Big Good, The Alliance, Bait-and-Switch Boss and Anticlimax Boss to the crowner.
In uffish thought
The second two of those are videogame tropes that don't have and haven't had real life examples. I see no point whatsoever in bothering to put them on the index.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
They are in the example subpages of Real Life.
I propose Evil Albino, which is another invitation to label real people as evil.
EDIT: Adding it to the crowner.
In other News, I took the liberty of adding NRLEP to In Name Only, which already had an admin warning stating that the Real Life section had been axed and nobody is allowed to restore it. I put the trope on the NRLEP index, too.
edited 5th Aug '12 5:39:59 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Adding Straight Gay. The trope is about gay characters who don't have any stereotypical gay qualities. The RL examples are mostly homosexual actors that play straight characters or sing about attraction to the opposite sex, which is not what the trope is.
edited 5th Aug '12 5:47:06 PM by reub2000
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Straight Gay's problem isn't inherent in having a real life section, it just means we should keep a better eye on misuse. Warning the users who persist in adding it might also help.
Another potential NRLEP trope; Mood Whiplash, for the same reason as Wham Episode; real life isn't scripted.
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I'd like to propose Evil Tower of Ominousness because, at its core, it is a trope to describe a villain's lair, and thus could be used to indirectly call people villains, something this wiki is doing its best to avoid.
"Suffer a vicious person and you will fear vice. Suffer a virtuous one and you will soon loathe virtue itself." Tony Duvert