Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
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- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
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- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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I thought I did bump the thread when I added TRYSS to the crowner
Ok, Springtime for Hitler has a real life section that rivals the length of all other examples, and most of this read as speculation. I'm pretty sure at the very least we'll need to cull a lot of them, and I'm not sure having real life examples on that page adds anything.
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You totally did, Morning Star. 
This is an "in general" thing when people comment they didn't know there was a new entry on the crowner because the thread wasn't bumped. People not remembering to bump the thread when they add an entry is an old and ongoing issue. It's just... one of those things I lose patience with after a while when it's someone who's been active in the thread regularly comments on it.
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Speaking of which, since it seems that "The Reason You Suck" Speech is gonna get called fo an Example Sectionectomy, I want to know if you think the historical examples are speculation or liable to be Flame Bait (if they're gonna get removed, there might as well be a justified reason belong "it happened in the wrong medium")
No, the other one.
Yeah, that needs a lot of cleaning. The wiki isn't for speculation, so those can be cut. There are a lot of generic examples that can be cut. Tons of straight out misuse, too.
Examples about characters meant to be creepy or otherwise off-putting that become popular isn't the trope, since creepy or off-putting isn't the same as unpopular. Works that are made to be popular can by definition not follow this trope.
Likewise, "not meant to be popular" (such as joke works or part of works, like characters or other things) isn't the same as actively failing, which is required by the trope. It's closer to Rooting for the Empire than this (and still not necessarily that anyway). The point is to fail. Not create a joke, or make a different point, or intend for a series to end at a certain point.
Situations where losing gives you an advantage isn't the trope unless someone specific who was aiming to lose actually fails to lose.
Trying to smear the reputation of someone one way or another, or trying to get someone else to fail, isn't trying to fail yourself.
I don't quite think it's the trope with the gambit of making something so bad it wouldn't pass the censors to allow something not quite so bad (but still risky) and then getting the first thing past the censors anyway, but it's probably arguable (and depends on the example itself).
Stock market short-selling isn't about losing or failing. It's about expecting a stock to go down, and getting your hands on it while it's still valuable so you can sell it then, and buy it back later when it's less valuable.
Edit: Cleaned a bit of that out (generics and speculations).
edited 16th Apr '15 7:43:11 PM by AnotherDuck
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I added a new trope for you to consider. Royals Who Actually Do Something — see the real life subpage: Real Life.
It's full of natter, and the examples feel like gossip about contemporary roayls.
Has any of our crowners hit 19 examples in the past?
Sorcerer in training
Once, I think, in my thread binge. It's normally supposed to be left alone once it hits about 12 until a new crowner is created and switched out.
New tropes can be mentioned in the thread, it's just requested not to add them to the old crowner, but to wait for the new one.
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Given that Nohbody is MIA - can we get some of these called and work on closing this crowner?
Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...
Calling for No Real Life Examples Please:
- Conveniently Close Planet: Added 1st Apr '15 at 01:05:01 PM(yeas:14 nays:1) 14.00 : 1
- Enlightenment Superpowers: Added 26th Mar '15 at 08:02:32 PM(yeas:11 nays:5) 2.20 : 1
- Day of the Jackboot: Added 31st Mar '15 at 11:17:26 PM(yeas:9 nays:3) 3.00 : 1
- Men Are the Expendable Gender: Added 9th Apr '15 at 12:25:31 AM(yeas:10 nays:4) 2.50 : 1
Calling for Keep Real Life Examples:
- Single-Target Sexuality: Added 31st Mar '15 at 05:49:10 AM(yeas:13 nays:8) 1.63 : 1
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: Added 15th Apr '15 at 03:14:34 AM(yeas:8 nays:5) 1.60 : 1
- Forgot About His Powers: Added 31st Mar '15 at 05:49:10 AM(yeas:8 nays:12)
No, the other one.
Andyxdr, please write a post in the thread when you add tropes to the crowner. Not everyone checks the crowner regularly, so notifying people of a new item in the crowner helps with getting votes.
edited 21st Apr '15 2:57:34 PM by AnotherDuck
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In addition to that, we're trying to close up the crowner right now, so we don't want any new entries at the moment.
Calling:
- Julius Beethoven da Vinci: Added 15th Apr '15 at 02:22:26 PM(yeas:9 nays:1) 9.00 : 1
- Soapbox Sadie: 12th Apr '15 at 12:16:49 AM(yeas:9 nays:1) 9.00 : 1
edited 21st Apr '15 3:18:31 PM by VeryMelon
Bumping to get more votes on the last few entries.
I'd say VVSS is probably safe to call. It's been up for two days and has a unanimous 9:0 vote.
Well, almost 2 days. Like 44 hours.
Knight of Cerebus is probably safe as well, at 2.5 days and a unanimous 8:0.
Royals should wait, though, as it's got a closer vote.
edited 23rd Apr '15 8:02:20 AM by SolipSchism
They need at least 10 votes total.
Fair enough.
Calling:
- Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: Added 21st Apr '15 at 12:18:49 PM(yeas:10 nays:0)
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Wrong category though. Wouldn't it be a narrative trope instead of a morality one (was someone actually trying to put a RL example for that?)?
No, the other one.
It's both, I'd say.
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Default to morality, because it is a "villain" trope as well as a setting trope.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Calling:
- Knight of Cerebus: Added 20th Apr '15 at 06:26:55 PM(yeas:12 nays:0)
- Royals Who Actually Do Something: Added 20th Apr '15 at 01:28:53 PM(yeas:8 nays:4) 2.00 : 1
I can finally holler for a new crowner after I take care of these.
Crowners switched per request.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Letting you guys know that No Real Life Examples, Please! is now unlocked, so we can just add the examples cleared by the crowner without needing a Mod request.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
When you add a trope to the crowner, it's considered a good idea to post in the thread to bump it.
Because not everyone bumps the thread, either through ignorance or forgetting, it's a good idea to check the crowner every couple of days (or whatever suits however frequently you're on) to check for new entries.
While it is inconvenient, this thing with not bumping the thread so people know there's new stuff on the crowner has been going on at least since I started commenting, and judging from the thread trawl I did before my first comment, it's an issue that comes and goes.
Since it's an old issue with people not bumping the thread after adding tropes to the crowner, I personally find it hard to be sympathetic for anyone who isn't new to the thread. (And I honestly don't mean that in a nasty way.)
edited 16th Apr '15 2:24:52 AM by Candi
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