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Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
No, the other one.
In the one RL example on Everyone Is Gay: "According to the comments sections of any given celebrity gossip blog." Emphasis mine. Does that need any further explanation? Also, that's a generic example. And as such, it ceased to exist for some inexplicable reason.
That said, if it's about gay people who are open about it, then I don't think it's as much gossip as it is writing down what they've said themselves. Nobody Over 50 Is Gay seems to be largely about that. On the other hand, most examples suffers from lack of context, which is rather typical for RL sections for that kind of trope.
As for WrongGenreSavvy.Real Life, well, Real Life doesn't have genres. Basing your belief on something that has happened before isn't being Genre Savvy, and as such, being wrong in said belief doesn't make you Wrong Genre Savvy.
edited 19th Oct '14 6:57:37 PM by AnotherDuck
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Couldn't they include real people who play in ways that match those roles? The only real life example on the first three (I haven't looked at The Munchkin yet) seems to qualify, although it's kind of anecdotal.
Real people can and do play like those archetypes describe. If we NRLEP them, it will be because of real life examples being too common to trope.
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It's still RL people playing to the archetype, not real life people being the archetype. Someone may do it as part of a 'character' act, but in RL it's invoking the trope(s) at best. Plus gossip issues.
People over fifty can totally be homosexual. One gentleman of 53 wrote in to Dear Abby to ask for advice about meeting new friends after his wife had passed away some months before. (Blame his dad beating him -at twelve- into fake straight for many years.) It's definitely a story convention/stereotype, and it's talking about RL people. Crown it.
Anything to do with 'genre' needs to be crowned, since genres are at best pieces and threads of real life.
Everyone is Gay also needs to be crowned, because it doesn't exist in real life.
edited 20th Oct '14 12:50:22 AM by Candi
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Dating Catwoman requires a heroic character and an antagonistic character to have romantic/sexual attractions to each other. Morality trope at play.
No, the other one.
Is there a trope for rivals dating? Because that's what the Real Life section there is.
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The archetypes were coined to describe how real people roleplay. This isn't like a standard character trope or something.
In light of that, I'll be downvoting all those.
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The issue with those roleplaying tropes is that, when used to describe real people, they become Troper Tales, and therefore are fundamentally inappropriate. They only function as tropes when used In-Universe. The NRLEP tag is appropriate.
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on Not So Above It All, the only entry in RL now is about cats. The other entry was deleted via Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment, which makes me wonder whether it should have RL examples on the page.
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Dating Catwoman seems to me like a romantic example of Go-Karting with Bowser, which does allow RL examples. The page itself says that. People with opposing ideals or are competitors in an event can be romantically involved.
edited 20th Oct '14 2:16:13 PM by Smasher
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The problem is, Dating Catwoman RL examples could be seen as gossiping about RL people's love lives. And that could become a real mess.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Rivals in anything dating on the side doesn't necessarily have to be that way.
Just wondering, how did you vote on Go-Karting with Bowser? This is essentially a romantic version of that.
edited 21st Oct '14 12:54:03 PM by Smasher
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Contrary to what the note in the crowner says, Dating Catwoman is not a good vs evil thing. It is opponents, which does not require a particular morality from either partner. The two people can be both good or both evil so long as they are working towards conflicting goals.
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I tend to vote down on most things. Most real life sections that haven't been cleaned or maintained are a mess, and tend to attract more if the page isn't locked. Even 'historical' examples tend to wind up on the wrong pages. And there's all the animals that get shoehorned in.
The really fun part is people only reading the trope name or half the description, then shoehorning in all kinds of crap. People also slap in a general example and leave it, instead of using a general statement to lead into a specific example. (If the general part is even necessary.)
And then there's gossip and troper tales... Oh, and the grand fun (although not limited to RL sections) of having a nice clean section, properly formatted and everything -and then someone slap in a badly formatted, possibly duplicated example, as though they didn't even look at the rest.
RL sections can have interesting points, but generally I find them more trouble than they're worth. And half the time, the interesting parts fit properly into another folder anyway.
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The real life examples on Uncoffee aren't shoehorned, but they are squeezed a bit. The trope is about substitutes for the word "coffee" that somehow slip by the Translation Convention, while the Real Life examples are about substitutes for the actual substance (granted, the fictional uncoffees aren't all coffee-like either except in sociological terms).
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No, the other one.
That trope seems to be about coffee substitutes as well. Basically drinks that fill the same purpose as coffee.
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I am not certain if Dating Catwoman is a morality trope - it seems more like an antagonism trope to me.
Also, I am dubious of Immortality Begins at Twenty as-written. The argument seems to me like people are confusing Complete Immortality with other kinds of immortality/long life that do happen IRL.
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No, the other one.
Immortality Begins at Twenty isn't even about immortality. It's about the effects of an extended life span. Or more specifically, about people who don't age past twenty something. It's related to the idea that age of maturity is somehow linked to maximum age, and stuff like that that doesn't actually make sense once you think about it.
edited 22nd Oct '14 12:58:32 AM by AnotherDuck
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I'm inclined to agree that under the current usage of the trope, those real life examples for Uncoffee aren't shoehorns. I think this is more of an indicator that the trope needs to be tightened a little than that the examples are really okay, but that's a matter for another thread.
Saw the RL section of Astonishingly Appropriate Appearance and thought it could use some consideration. Seems like either shoehorning or taking pot-shots at the appearance of various jerks.
No, the other one.
Those examples can certainly be removed, along with the generic ones, without a crowner decision.
As for the trope itself, I think any Real Life example would come down to coincidence, or a different trope, since as far as I understand it, clothes and personally affected appearance doesn't count.
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On the subject of homosexuality, how about Nobody Over Fifty Is Gay? The page itself only allows aversions, but then again there aren't that many open elders. (At least in the States, as the page says.)