Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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Common problems include:
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- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
What Real Life section of Ape Shall Never Kill Ape?
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Since Noble Bigot got its real life section cut, I proposed Noble Bigot with a Badge for the same reasons as the former.
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Agreed. The one example that is on that page could just as easily be put in Literature if we want to keep it.
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No, the other one.
That example is about a representation of a real life event, rather than the real life event in itself, I think. Although admittedly, I wouldn't give the same leeway to something written in newspapers.
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Noble Bigot with a Badge's entry can go into the Literature section. Otherwise, make that NRLEP.
Also, I called Dirty Cop as "keep RL examples" at 3-12 yea/nay.
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What's this about generic examples not being allowed?
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How to Write an Example: Keep It An Example: Making a blanket statement on the behavior of '70s Live-Action TV may be interesting information, but it technically doesn't add anything new as an example. If you feel the information is important, then add it to the description (or the Analysis subpage) instead of the examples. Examples are about specific works and instances in them; the description is the general behavior of the trope. See Needs A Better Description.
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No, the other one.
If an example covers a group it can be tricky. Sometimes it's a concrete example, and sometimes it's a generalisation that doesn't belong (for a few reasons, like stereotyping, speculation, or otherwise Weasel Wordy). Sometimes it makes for a concrete example, if there's sufficient cause for the group to act as one.
Slavery is a good example of why generic examples don't really work. There are tons of variations on what slave are and how they're treated, and most of them don't fit the trope. "Humans" is even worse (but some of it might be interesting on an analysis page).
Examples that are schools of thought probably belong on analysis pages, especially if they're not direct examples, but indirectly implies examples, which in this case I'd place Eugenics as, since for one it's far more involved than just that, and not something universal to it either.
Royalty is a different animal altogether. Or rather, it's explicitly not about that, but about fear of creating a precedence.
edited 24th Aug '14 1:48:08 AM by AnotherDuck
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If Outgrown Such Silly Superstitions is about works that take place in The Future, it should perhaps not have a RL section. It's also potentially flamebaity, but I don't like to cut RL sections solely for being potentially flamebaity if there isn't real evidence of trouble.
I'm not adding it, because I want to hear from at least one other person first, and I can never get date-stamping to work on the crowner.
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Bright Is Not Good should probably be nuked on the same grounds as Ape Shall Never Kill Ape. Lots of "examples" of bright colors in nature = poison, which do not belong in a mortality trope.
edited 24th Aug '14 10:21:01 AM by Terrie
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Look what Just Known just created: IdiotPlot.Real Life. I can't believe this subpage would be worth keeping.
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I don't see why the trope shouldn't be tagged and listed on No Real Life Examples, Please! as well.
"In distress", my ass.
^ Things have to go up for a vote, barring admin fiat.
Which is why I added Idiot Plot to the crowner. 
[edit] Also, since Dirty Cop has been decided, go ahead with the cleaning discussed when it was introduced, to remove anything other than actual convictions for corruption?
edited 24th Aug '14 12:21:18 PM by Nohbody
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Yes, the examples that don't involve convictions ought to be removed.
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"In distress", my ass.
Ok, on that in a second.
And related to Idiot Plot, wouldn't Idiot Ball (which has an RL subpage as well) also be NRLEP fodder? Same issues as with IPlot, no script for RL and calling people idiots.
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No, the other one.
I don't think Outgrown Such Silly Superstitions necessarily requires the setting to be in the future, since it does include fantasy settings. I think it's possible to have Real Life examples.
Most of the examples seem to be either generics or shoehorns. One should be a literary example (which I've moved by the time you're probably reading this).
I'm uncertain about the one about the Soviet Union trying to invoke it, though. Seems like an actual example (specific to the government), but there are no real details about the actual trope. The details that are there are just about overall demographics, which isn't what that example is about.
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Cleaned out Dirty Cop, and tweaked the description to require actual convictions, along with a commented out note pointing to the start of the DC discussion in this thread.
[edit] In regards to Outgrown, I think just cleaning out the crap will be enough for now. Undecided about whether the State Atheism section is shoehorning or not, though.
edited 24th Aug '14 12:57:48 PM by Nohbody
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No, the other one.
Well, I removed the obvious ones.
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Question, No Mere Windmill has a contemporary example there, and the only note about it is a small one, and it's not under any sort of index about it.
Would it be possible to put a blanket ban on it, or should it just be cleaned as is?
I propose this one because what exactly makes it a windmill is a matter for debate, and even with historical evidence it has the potential to be Flame Bait and opinionated.
edited 24th Aug '14 1:42:30 PM by RatherRandomRachel
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Is Boarding School of Horrors calling places evil, or just places where bad things happen? If the latter, no need to make it NRLEP.
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"In distress", my ass.
On further thought regarding Boarding School of Horrors, beyond what I deleted because I changed my mind about the original post, while the trope isn't calling the place evil, it could be argued that calling the ones who run them evil is still falling afoul of the rule against calling RL people evil, just indirectly.
Though, really, keep or cut I'm pretty indifferent to it. As noted above, RL sections aren't what the wiki is about, so if it does get cut it's hardly The End of the World as We Know It.
edited 25th Aug '14 5:46:03 PM by Nohbody
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Crown Description:
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For Actual Pacifist, my first inclination is to take a chainsaw to the natter and general examples but otherwise leave it be, but I'm skeptical it won't all return again the next time some troper comes across the page.
After Looking at the entries for Ape Shall Never Kill Ape, they're all generic examples, and the "aversions" starting off that section make me want to break out the napalm, following up with a giant tub of salt and a plow.
But that last bit may just be because I'm too tired to sleep right now.
edited 23rd Aug '14 12:14:26 PM by Nohbody
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