Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
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- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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Notes:
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Nightmare Fetishist has a RL section with some ZCE and a really questionable paraphilia example.
edited 17th Jul '14 6:32:57 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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I don't know. I'd suggest that there, limiting it to people who have stated that they love the strange, grotesque, or ugly might work. Like Geiger: he acknowledged that his work was terrifying, but also that he found it beautiful. The ones that are speculation or assumption? they should go, as should the general statement ones.
edited 17th Jul '14 6:56:44 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
No, the other one.
Generic examples are trivia at best, which while potentially interesting, aren't trope examples.
I'm good with removing ZCEs and speculation based on what they include in their works.
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Anorgil made a thread to ask about the Real Life section on Acceptable Breaks from Reality. I've copied their Original Post here in its entirety.
''It's a contradiction in terms, but the Arbitrary Minimum Range trope in particular is considered an Acceptable Break from Reality... yet there are many Real Life Examples of it.
I can only think of a few ways to reconcile this contradiction:
1. The Real Life Examples are not truly arbitrary and thus are not truly examples of Arbitrary Minimum Range (no matter how similar they are to other, non-real-life examples of Arbitrary Minimum Range).
2. Arbitrary Minimum Range occurs in real life, and thus is not an Acceptable Break from Reality.''
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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My personal opinion on that is that if it actually occurs in Real Life, it is reality, and therefore is not a break from reality, acceptable or otherwise. It may be a case of Coconut Effect, or Reality Is Unrealistic, or Aluminum Christmas Trees, but it's not an acceptable break from reality.
Acceptable Breaks from Reality should therefore be made No Real Life Examples Please, and Arbitrary Minimum Range should be removed from Acceptable Breaks from Reality.
edited 19th Jul '14 11:27:51 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Calling ~Anorgil in.
I am not very convinced - Acceptable Breaks from Reality is about realism, not factual accuracy, and thanks to Reality Is Unrealistic we can end up with the acceptable break being from something that's actually real.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I see no reason to cut real life sections from Acceptable Breaks from Reality tropes. As Septimus said, Truth in Television is a thing.
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I have not seen misuse of the term, and I haven't seen any badness attracted by it. I don't see why we can't leave the section alone.
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Truth in Television and Acceptable Breaks from Reality are opposites, though.
Truth in Television is "Things that are done in fiction also do or can really happen in Real Life, no matter how improbable, unlikely, or difficult to believe they are to the audience".
Acceptable Breaks is "Things that are done in fiction that do not or cannot really happen in Real Life, but the inaccuracy is accepted by the audience without quibble."
They're mutually exclusive; something can't be both "does or can happen" and "does not or cannot happen". It has to be one or the other..
edited 19th Jul '14 1:46:06 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Acceptable Breaks from Reality actually is "Thus there are ways in which works will be blatantly, unabashedly unrealistic, and nobody really minds."
Unrealistic is not the same thing as "doesn't exist in RL"; The Ageless is unrealistic, but it does exist in a way.
Doublepost, because someone in the NRLEP discussion page raised a point that Mooks should be on the page, given that Redshirt Army is. I'll add it to the crowner, with that and a reason of mine.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
On Ships That Pass in the Night, there is a so-called Real Life section that consists entirely of examples of Romance on the Set between actors whose characters had little interaction. This seems like obvious shoehorning.
They'd still fit in an In-Universe example sense. They fit Romance on the Set better, though, so I would move them there and any such future examples.
Non-actor examples can go in my mind - they'd be "fleeting romance" or something similar.
edited 22nd Jul '14 12:59:01 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
I think that's misuse on Ships That Pass in the Night. It's a shipping trope, not a dating trope, to begin with. It's about what other people think of them.
It also can't really be In-Universe because the universes are different. Whether the characters played by the actors interact a lot or not has no bearing on whether the actors do. It's sort of like hooking up with someone who works at the same work as you but at a different department.
edited 22nd Jul '14 2:49:53 AM by AnotherDuck
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I agree with the Duck. Ships That Pass in the Night is shipping, not real dating. Plus, if two characters don't interact on the show, that means that as far as the audience is concerned, they don't interact much. That doesn't apply to the actors playing them.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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I still don't think it's worth NRLEP'ing, though. In these cases you just have to remove the unfitting examples and sooner or later someone might come with a more fitting one. NRLEP'ing the page eliminates that possibility.
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No, the other one.
Well, no. But the argument wasn't as far as I read it to turn the page into NRLEP, but that the examples there were misuse. An actual Real Life example would be something like fanfics or fandoms about real people, which isn't really gossip, as it's pure fantasy.
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Real Person Fic is a thing. Lots of bad RPFic, too. Anyway, it looks like pruning the misuse is sufficient at this point.
edited 22nd Jul '14 11:55:33 AM by desdendelle
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But a Real Person Fic is a Fanfic. A work. It should be listed under Fanfic, not Real Life.
Well, it is real life as well, but for our purposes, the fact that it been written into a fic is what matters.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
"In distress", my ass.
On another note, calling Mooks: Added 20th Jul '14 at 10:13:41 AM, 10:0
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For the record, while I can't imagine how a real life example could be possible, I'm not trying to NRLEP Ships That Pass in the Night - just get all the current examples cut for being shoehorns.
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No, the other one.
If people were shipping the fanfic-incarnations of real life people (rather than the actual real people themselves), then it would fit under Fanfics. Otherwise it's just plain Real Life. The trope's about fandoms, and writing fanfics about it is one expression of fandoms. Otherwise about none of the current examples would fit in their current categories. All examples are sorted by where the characters come from, not where they end up in the shipping. And Real Life people come from Real Life.
Kaleidoscope Eyes is about mood ring eyes, which don't exist in real life. Despite this, it has a rather extensive real life section of shoehorned "examples" of how a person's eyes might look slightly different colors in different environments.
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Calling Asian Drivers: Added 10th Jul '14 at 08:22:45 PM, 13:0
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