Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Officially intimidated
You should have asked here first, though. Even without a RL section, we still have to discuss about the official NRLEP status on it. =/
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You don't have to ask before cleaning out actual bad examples, and there's no reason to leave a folder if it's empty. I just looked at the history for Raised by Wolves, and all of the things Catbert cut were legitimately "not an example"s. They handled it correctly.
edited 26th Feb '14 3:28:51 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Officially intimidated
Ah, OK, sorry. no need to be upset. =/
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Zzzzzzzzzz
I'm not upset.
In this case the mod-pink post was to make it clear that I was stating official policy in my capacity as a mod, not simply expressing my personal opinion as a regular poster.
Officially intimidated
Ah, gotcha. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Sorcerer in training
Madrugada is very hard to actually upset. When she is, run for the hills. 
Did Raised by Wolves look like it should be NRLEPed, or is it one of those watch and keep clean things?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
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^ heheheheheheheheh Thank you, Candi.![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Raised by Wolves is probably ok for now on a "Keep watch and see if it comes back" basis, now that it's been cleaned up.
edited 26th Feb '14 7:42:17 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Luckily it's Truth in Television.
Sorcerer in training
Calling:
Create Your Own Villain: Villain Trope. Talks about people turning evil, usually because of one particular person's or group's actions. Thread mode, discussion on main page, and natter present. 7.5:1, (17)
Powered by a Forsaken Child: Way too controversial, shoehorned examples, borderline creepiness in regards to children, and soapboxing. 4.67:1 (17)
Dirty Old Man: We REALLY don't need to know. Also kind of flame bait material. 10:0
Leaving Informed Judaism and Informed Loner for further votes. Please remember to timestamp entries when adding new items to the crowner, since they have to be up a minimum amount of time before they can be called. It also doesn't hurt to bump the thread to let people know there's something new to vote on.
edited 28th Feb '14 5:44:39 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I think That One Player should either have In-Universe examples only or be YMMV. I'm not sure which would be better, though.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Some of the forsaken child ones seem legit to me...
ACW, the time to raise that issue is during the voting, not when the vote has been called. I hope I don't come across as harsh here, but I've seen you do that repeatedly on this thread and I'm completely confused as to why you wait until the issue is decided to bring up these points. Once the decision has been made, raising a counter point is, well, pointless.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
And how has Informed Judaism NOT been called? THAT seems like it could attract all kinds of controversy.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Actually, it would be "people are portrayed by people quite a bit older than they are", and at a minimum, the Riley Weston, Shirley Temple, Gypsy Rose Lee, and June Havoc examples fit that definition.
Sorcerer in training
ACW, referring to your post about RL entries in Forsaken Child. Powered by a Forsaken Child was up for at least five days, rather longer than the minimum, mostly because I kept forgetting to call it and the other entries.
Terrie has a definite point about when to bring up counter points. Such as the debate going on with Dawson Casting.
Informed Judaism was not called due to not being up long enough. (And personally, I think the voting stood as anemic at that point.)
edited 1st Mar '14 5:22:29 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
Speaking of Informed Judaism, it's now been up long enough and has met the minimum voting requirement, so calling. Added 25th Feb '14 at 09:01:54 PM, 4:1 (10 total).
Maybe let the current crowner simmer for a day or so to see if any of the outstanding issues change to meeting the vote ratio, but we should probably not add any more entries to it, and get ready to swap in a new crowner.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Sorcerer in training
For the next crowner:
Board to Death is specifically a villain trope. Its only RL entry is about Hitler.
Should Informed Loner be called?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
What, Hitler's not a villain?
Informed Loner seems to be legit in Real Life.
edited 2nd Mar '14 2:08:41 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Sorcerer in training
Villain tropes tend to be made NRLEP on principle.
"Informed" anything tends to be mean a narrative trope -impossible in Real Life.
Edit: Boom, Headshot! needs some scrubbing. I'm not even sure where to start peeling apart the first entry. What is that, five, six separate examples? And it gets worse.
edited 2nd Mar '14 5:41:16 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Do we really need to document Real Life cases of people getting shot in the head? No only is it morbid and squicky, but it is far, far too common and generally has no special narrative significance when it happens in Real Life.
PS: I'm not convinced it has significance when it happens in fiction, but that is a seperate issue for TRS, not this thread.
The fictional significance is that it's frequently handled as if it were the only assured-kill technique in fiction with no alternative.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
Candi (#2618), Informed Loner is still at 9 votes, so no it's not yet suitable for calling.
As for Boom, Headshot!, I wouldn't shed any tears for it being listed on the next crowner (which I have standing by here while the subject was fresh on my mind; please wait for #15 to get wrapped up first, however).
edited 2nd Mar '14 6:16:33 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"The fictional significance is that it's frequently handled as if it were the only assured-kill technique in fiction with no alternative."
Most of the examples are just "People get shot in the head."
Yeah, I usually avoid considering the examples when gauging the definition of a trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
For Raised by Wolves, I deleted all the Real Life examples as being non-examples (like wolf cubs raised by wolves and people with the name Wolf), resulting in the deletion of the Real Life section.
edited 26th Feb '14 9:25:40 AM by Catbert