Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

So in general around the Wiki I see a lot of complaining about Spongebob Squarepants and Teen Titans Go!, to a degree you'd think that the writers of these shows killed the editors' dogs or something.

I'm aware of an internet reviewer named "Mr. Enter" whom these shows are apparently Single Issue Wonks for, so I wouldn't be surprised if most of these entries are added by fans of his.

Parvum Opus. Yikes. So much complaining and so many links to Flame Bait articles I had to remove, even in the description. I only just descovered this article today, and the concept in and of itself is okay, but way too many of the examples use the trope as So Bad, It's Horrible, but without the "no popular works" limitation.

Ew. How did that slip by YKTTW?

So just "Worst X Ever" with a fancier name? Yeah... nope. I'm fairly sure something mainly built to complain shouldn't have gotten past the YKTTW drawing board.

edited 11th Aug '15 8:28:58 AM by Elbruno

I will say the concept of a page documenting individual installments generally considered far weaker than the greater whole is interesting, but like Unfortunate Implications would probably best require citations.

Seconded.

I am pretty sure that new negative ymmvs are not allowed, as Elbruno mentioned.

edited 13th Aug '15 5:04:00 PM by MagBas

I'd change Parvum Opus to only allow examples that are noted by both the creator(s) and critical review to be the lowest point in the series/franchise/whatever.

What are critics but fan reviewers that got popular?

I feel like something needs to be done about Macekre. It's a negative YMMV (a given translation/localization of a work is So Bad Its Horrible in a way that's insulting) that's named after a Real Life individual and misblames him for a practice that he was (apparently) forced to do by circumstance + Executive Meddling.

I tried to open a TRS about it last month or the one before, but it was never opened.

edited 15th Aug '15 3:10:42 AM by Karxrida

We have plenty enough other topics in TRS that need to be worked on. Adding more is counterproductive. We also require far more evidence of a problem before opening rename threads - what you offered there is simply too thin.

Honestly, I'm with Karxrida here. Macekre as it exists now would never be allowed to be created today, and I'm not a fan of grandfathering tropes.

Okay, I really think Brian Bendis needs to go from the Fallen Creator page. You can tell that entry was written during his ill-regarded run on Avengers, because in the ensuing years he's left that title, done a well-received X-Men run, and will begin an Iron Man run later this year. I have next to no comprehension of how he belongs on the same page as Mel Gibson and Roman Polanski.

Considering that something as Parvum Opus was launched, i am not so sure.

edited 16th Aug '15 12:44:01 PM by MagBas

Parvum Opus is not directly insulting to anybody, it's just pointing out that a particular work is the low point of someone's career. I could see it getting through YKTTW (and it did), while Macekre would be nuke-on-sight for the name alone by today's standards.

It needs a name and description change to not include any mentions of Macek.

Yeah, I said "as it exists today", not that it would not be allowed at all.

Putting this here since I'm not entirely sure if it merits a trope repair shop thread, but...

The Wild Mass Guessing page for Cartoon Network is pretty much just a giant string of Creator Bashing disguised as WMGs. Most of it was made during the network's Network Decay, but still, even then, there are some frequent WMGs that boil down to the writer complaining about his childhood show not being on the air anymore.

Edit: I was suggested to add it to the cutlist, which I just did. So... I guess just disregard this post then.

edited 27th Aug '15 8:12:11 AM by TokoWH

I know this has been brought up before, but much of the Twilight related stuff is heavy on the bashing and unfortunate implications soapboxing. Even the main pages have more than a few instances of outright attacking the quality of the series, labeling the protagonists designated heroes, and/or bashing the writer's talents. The YMMV and Wall Bangers sections are also very negative, and though that's probably why those sections exist (the Wall Bangers in particular) the Deader Than Disco trope in particular sounds like a hatedom's declaration of victory. Half the Night Mare Fuel sections is once again soapboxing about the series' unfortunate implications, with a bit of creator bashing thrown in. I've encountered more than a few instances of Twilight bashing even outside of the media's pages, such as the Self Insert article (which I fixed) and the Canon Sue article (wherein a more general and descriptive quote was replaced by one of R. Pattz making fun of Twilight, because clearly it's the epitome of Mary Sues in fiction). Even the Trivia section is full of series and creator bashing, and worst of all is the WMG section, which is in my opinion, an embarrassment.

I started to do some cleanup myself, but now I realize there's just way too much hatedom penetration in these Twilight articles, and I'm pretty sure I'll be accused of whitewashing the pages or complaining about people not liking the show if I decide to rework all these pages myself.

Yikes. I dislike the Twilight series myself, but creator bashing is never okay, and excessive negativity outside of Darth Wiki and the reviews section isn't really what we want.

Memetic awfulness is not an excuse to violate our rule about excessive negativity in primary articles or in YMMV subpages.

Now that you mention it, I find it rather telling that the Review section seems to be one of the NICER pages as far as the series goes.

So on the YMMV page for the DC story Infinite Crisis there's a big long Wall of Text Designated Hero entry that seems extremely excessive. For starters, this is literally the first place I've ever heard the IC heroes called designated, let alone "borderline psychotic," and it also has a lot of italics and exclamation points!!!!! that make me think it's just one person's opinion, as those are usually warning bells. Permission to clip?

edited 16th Sep '15 1:29:59 PM by HamburgerTime

Er, I don't see any exclamation marks, but otherwise you make a good point. The entry is far too long (partially because it's discussing several characters in one example).

The Superman portion is also not convincing at all. I would cut that portion entirely, or at least nominate it for a rewrite, because to someone like me who is not familiar with the work, the example context is not sufficient to demonstrate how it fits, YMMV or otherwise.

Horrible.Voice Acting has quite a few contextless examples, questionable examples, and, particularly in the anime section, examples that seem outright mean.

The Infinite Crisis entry lists three characters:

• Superboy, for releasing Black Adam. This was a clear case of Godzilla Threshold considering there was a rogue Dimension Lord about who had betrayed Adam earlier.
• Power Girl, for doing nothing while "a man's face was turned into hamburger." I'm assuming this refers to Black Adam's murder of the Psycho-Pirate. Again, with a raving Dimension Lord about, can you really blame her for not caring about a dead henchman? Plus, said Big Bad had promised her to the Psycho-Pirate as a Sex Slave for his cooperation, so you can see why she wouldn't have much sympathy for him.
• Kal-L (Golden Age Superman, if you don't know), for doing a whole lot of things. There's nothing "designated" here at all; one of the main points of the story is that Kal-L is stuck in the past and deeply flawed and out of touch.