General Page Quote Discussion:

Seeing as no one could answer my earlier Great American Novel question, I'm going to assume that it was made up by the original editor and pull it for now.

If anyone has any suggestions for the page, feel free to make them.

edited 19th Sep '16 12:05:07 PM by TotemicHero

I don't really like the quote on the Giant Spider page. The term "giant spider" is in it, but the quote is more about the rumored fifth superman movie and its director than it is about the trope. It's fine for the quotes section, but it shouldn't be the main quote. I'm actually surprised that, apart from a fanfic one, there aren't any other quotes, considering how omnipresent the trope is in fantasy and horror.

Edit: The quote in question -

"And Superman needs to fight a Giant Spider in the third act. Do you know about spiders? They're the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom."

— Producer Jon Peters on the fifth Superman movie in production around 1996/97, as related by Kevin Smith. ^note The spider would eventually be used in another Jon Peters produced film.

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:31:39 PM by supergod

Yeah, that's not very good.

Google's not helping much...A lot of MST 3 results on Giant Spider attacks, though.

Might be something from Harry Potter or maybe some Magic: The Gathering flavor text.

Edit: There are many versions of Giant Spider in MTG, all with different flavor text, but they're not really usable.

edited 25th Sep '16 11:32:47 AM by supergod

How about,

"But still she was there, who was there before Sauron, and before the first stone of Barad-dûr; and she served none but herself, drinking the blood of Elves and Men, bloated and grown fat with endless brooding on her feasts, weaving webs of shadow; for all living things were her food, and her vomit darkness."

—The Two Towers

Or if we are to abuse ellipses to pick the most relevant bits of that passage, maybe more like,

"There agelong she had dwelt, an evil thing in spider form... She served none but herself, drinking the blood of Elves and Men, bloated and grown fat with endless brooding on her feasts, weaving webs of shadow; for all living things were her food, and her vomit darkness. ...Never yet had any fly escaped from Shelob's webs, and the greater now were her rage and hunger."

—The Two Towers

Or maybe, from a different part of the chapter,

"Most like a spider she was, but huger than the great hunting beasts, and more terrible than they because of the evil purpose in her remorseless eyes. Great horns she had, and behind her short stalk-like neck was her huge swollen body, a vast bloated bag, swaying and sagging beneath her legs; its great bulk was black, blotched with livid marks, but the belly underneath was pale and luminous and gave forth a stench. Her legs were bent, with great knobbed joints high above her back, and hairs that stuck out like steel spines, and at each leg's end there was a claw."

—The Two Towers

edited 25th Sep '16 10:29:23 AM by HighCrate

for the last of those three.

I was looking at those just as my connection started playing up last night!

Nominating this Futurama quote for Morality Pet:

Bender: All those times I said "Kill all humans", I'd always whisper "except one". Fry was that one. And I never told him so!

(Sorry the formatting is off, I'm on my phone and I wanted this posted while it was fresh on my mind.)

edited 29th Sep '16 11:43:31 PM by Karxrida

for the Morality Pet one. That's a great example of the trope in action.

edited 30th Sep '16 12:14:41 PM by ObsidianFire

For Superhero Paradox, I think we should use Vision's speech in Captain America Civil War. It's a lot more illustrative and mainstream than the current one.

Current quote: "I don't want to stop crime, I just want to fight it." The Tick

Proposed quote:

Vision' s first line summarize the trope nicely while the last one provides a very eloquent explanation. Overall much better than the current quote.

Agreed. Though that pothole needs to go.

So I was thinking of adding a Stinger to the Stalked by the Bell page. Though the actual Stinger would be Brick Joke to the actual page quote by having it be the Fuuka's version of the same quote ("Be careful, I sense Death!"). So I was wondering if I can pothole where the quote comes from in the actual quote or not.

Ok, this one is a relatively minor problem, but I thought I'd see what others thought. The page quote for Guile Hero uses Characterization Tags and, in an amazing display of brazenness, even links to that page, which clearly says that Characterization Tags should not be used on the wiki, and should be fixed if spotted.

The problem is that I don't know enough about the fic (it's from a fanfic) or the character to just fix it. So I thought I'd see what others thought. Should we just replace the quote, or is someone willing to figure out what rationalist!Bella from Luminosity should really be called?

To be honest, I'm not really impressed with the current quote in any case. And Guile Hero is a trope which should offer tons of great options for notable, memorable, quotes. I mean, it's a trope about clever people! People who are inherently quotable. Surely we can do better than what we've got!

(I took a look at the Quotes page, wasn't particularly impressed with the options there, either.)

Would it be okay if I axed the lengthy [[note]] tag somebody put in the middle of Men in Black's page quote? It just strikes me as Natter, and hiding it in a note isn't really helping it not stick out like a sore thumb..

^ Seconded. Nix it.

Yanked.

For the record:

What is up currently is the same, but without the note.

The page quote for Floating Head Syndrome references a poster that might not really look like an example, or does it? (Click the link to Groundhog Day to see it.)

Agreed, it doesn't really fit.

A quote was added to '20s Bob Haircut that seems... at best tangentially relevant. No mention is made of 20s or a bob, just of a haircut.

Also, I just checked to see if the band was something from the time period in question - nope, they're a modern folk rock group. (Edit: Although the song in question is about that time period, so...hmmm...)

edited 6th Oct '16 12:23:04 PM by TotemicHero

That looks pretty cutworthy. A trope like that is purely visual and doesn't really need a quote to begin with, so adding one that doesn't even relate to the trope is extremely pointless.

On an unrelated note, the God Does Not Own This World quote seems to belong on another page entirely. As a replacement, I think this George Lucas quote works well:

The quote in You Can't Go Home Again seem more suitable for Stranger in a Familiar Land. Thoughts?

I agree that the current trope doesn't really fit. If there's need for a replacement, the Dragon Age II quote on the Quote page fits much better.

The quote for Word Salad Philosophy contains wicks. Should we remove the wicks or the whole quote? No idea about a replacement at the moment; busy doing some cleanup.

Oh my. That's bordering on Wall of Text.

I say cut.