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Rename?: Dont Explain The Joke get usage counts

 26 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 26th Dec '11 6:17:18 PM from Somewhere in California
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"I don't see why we need to have two different tropes for "killing the joke by explaining the punchline" and "killing the joke by explaining some part of the setup"."

I don't see anyone here suggesting a split. The point is that explaining the setup is not to be done at all.
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 27 Madrugada, Mon, 26th Dec '11 6:26:17 PM Relationship Status: In season
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But that's the way the trope is used, fairly often. The explanation is about some part of the set-up that affects the punchline.

Alice: "Why won't sharks eat lawyers?"

Bob: "I don't know. Why?"

Alice: "Professional courtesy."

Bob: (doesn't laugh)

Alice: (explains the concept of "professional courtesy")

Did she explain the punchline or the set-up? I say it could legitimately be considered either — or both.
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 28 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 26th Dec '11 6:29:04 PM from Somewhere in California
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[up]First of all, it was tropers potholing the context that is mainly the problem.

Second, that's not explaining the punchline. That would be "because lawyers are seen as no better than sharks". It would be explaining why it was professional courtesy, not what that concept is.

And asking for context info on a joke wouldn't be a trope itself. It would more be a kind of The Watson.

edited 26th Dec '11 6:29:46 PM by DragonQuestZ

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[up][up]Also, the explanation doesn't actually kill the joke, as the joke was already dead when Bob didn't get it.

edited 27th Dec '11 1:40:13 AM by petrie911

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Yeah, the joke or punchline thing is too fine a split. It is all about wrecking the joke.

edited 27th Dec '11 10:03:29 AM by FastEddie

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Please see Naming a Trope.

Why do we have a page which advises using the word "trope" as a placeholder?

edited 27th Dec '11 10:59:47 AM by TripleElation

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We don't, anymore. I pulled a bunch of stuff from it and locked it. Case of the article drifting into contradicting itself without constant oversight.

edited 27th Dec '11 11:13:50 AM by FastEddie

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 33 Dragon Quest Z, Tue, 27th Dec '11 2:03:36 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Explaining a joke means to tell how the joke works. About the only time explaining the context would be also explaining the joke would be something like an association or stereotype (like why a Light Bulb Joke about a certain nationality applies).
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 34 nrjxll, Tue, 27th Dec '11 4:20:45 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up]I tend to agree with your changes, but why was it locked?

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Just popping in to second that it doesn't need a rename. Herculean effort and a lot of confusion for a problem unrelated to the name.

 36 Dragon Quest Z, Tue, 27th Dec '11 10:35:18 PM from Somewhere in California
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People potholing this trope name for things that seem like the trope name, but not the trope definition, is stemming from the trope name.

Then again, I need to check more wicks.
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 37 Dragon Quest Z, Tue, 27th Dec '11 11:27:32 PM from Somewhere in California
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 38 Spark 9, Wed, 28th Dec '11 1:59:51 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Okay, we should probably get a page action crowner in here.
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Really? First let's see if can get a second on the motion.
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 40 Dragon Quest Z, Wed, 28th Dec '11 9:24:40 AM from Somewhere in California
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Well I second, but I also ask which actions to propose.
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 41 Firebert, Wed, 28th Dec '11 9:27:01 AM from Somewhere in Illinois
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I too support the motion.
[up][up][up] Which motion?
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 43 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 31st Dec '11 11:42:29 AM from Somewhere in California
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[up]Making a page action crowner. Something like we do nothing but clean up examples and wicks, or we rename it, or we redefine it, etc.

edited 31st Dec '11 11:42:54 AM by DragonQuestZ

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 44 Dragon Quest Z, Fri, 6th Jan '12 10:04:31 AM from Somewhere in California
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Page action crowner here. If you can think of another reasonable suggestion to add, please do so.
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 45 Dragon Quest Z, Sun, 8th Jan '12 11:41:35 AM from Somewhere in California
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Bumping for more votes.
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I really think you're making mountains out of molehills here, Z. Cleaning up and/or renaming a few thousand wicks is a lot of work for a harmless joke.

Splitting off "The joke wasn't funny until someone pointed out why its supposed to be funny" has some merit. I'm adding it to the crowner, though I'm not voting it up yet.
 47 Dragon Quest Z, Sun, 8th Jan '12 4:44:44 PM from Somewhere in California
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"I really think you're making mountains out of molehills here, Z. Cleaning up and/or renaming a few thousand wicks is a lot of work for a harmless joke."

How is rampant misuse a harmless joke? Misuse is people getting the trope wrong. That's not a joke. It's showing a trope name is bad.
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 48 Dragon Quest Z, Sun, 8th Jan '12 7:03:30 PM from Somewhere in California
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BTW, the splitting part isn't mutually exclusive to other options (as in we would still clean up the current trope).
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 49 Dragon Quest Z, Tue, 10th Jan '12 11:23:19 AM from Somewhere in California
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Or that might be a bit confusing. I added a combo option instead. Bumping for more votes.
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 50 Dragon Quest Z, Fri, 20th Jan '12 2:03:17 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Okay, it looks like we might be able to do both top options (splitting and redefining), but troper potholes should still be cut regardless.

And even with a redefinition, explaining a term to help set up the joke is not explaining it. Some successful jokes often involve giving a little background.
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Page Action: Dont Explain The Joke
6th Jan '12 10:01:20 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
What to do with Dont Explain The Joke, as it's both a pothole magnet, and suffers misuse from those that think any information given about a joke is explaining it, when the trope is actually explaining what the punchline means.
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