Why do we have this?: Most Fanfic Writers Are Fans

So I cutlisted it but the cut got denied.

Most Fanfic Writers Are Fans

No shit. No YKTTW. No Examples. And seriously, this is news how?

People Sit On Chairs much?

Kill it.

It talks about how the nature of the writers impacts the story. It's a trope.

Holy tautology, Batman!

...Well, technically this might be averted with Hate Fic. But all in all, it's about as pointless a page as can be imagined. I support cutting it, and I don't see why it wasn't cut to begin with (although the minds of the cutmasters have never been clear to such as we).

Edit: I do agree that it is technically not People Sit On Chairs (though technically it's not a "trope" either, I think).

edited 19th Jul '11 8:55:57 PM by nrjxll

It's a trope the same way Most Writers Are Male is a trope. It may be a tautology, but it's an aspect of fanfic that is apparently really easy to overlook, considering how often the criticism that fanfic authors stay within the same world and write the same old thing is bandied about.

It's a trope that would be best exampleless. I think it's fine as-is.

It's a great trope.

I think that's cut-worthy. A tautology doesn't need a page.

I don't see why this needs a page, though. Most Writers Are Male is fine because it's not tautological - there is nothing inherent about the concept of "writers" that requires them to be male. Whereas saying fanfiction is written by fans... It doesn't really seem necessary. I suppose we could leave as an exampleless Omnipresent Trope, but I'd still rather cut it - what good does it do?

It's not a tauthology.

Fanfiction is a word of it´s own, and the "fan" in it is just eutomology. It´s entierly possible to write fanfiction for a work you don't like or havn't even read/seen.

I say keep. Despite it being "Fan Fiction", the term does not only mean works written by fans. Many people write fanfiction. Fans, haters, trolls, people who have never read the source but like the concept, and people who are clearly on some sort of drug. Indeed, I've often met people who, despite not liking the actual work, like the backgrond and concept enough to try their own spin on it.

Actually I think it should be Most Fanfic Writers Are Fangirls personally (with fanboys as a redirect).

However there are plenty of hater fics out there.

I don't see how pointlessly adding a gender to the title would help. Putting fangirls will just make it seem as though the trope was about Most Fanfic Writers Are Girls.

I want it cut. People write fanfic about a work because they like something in it? Who'd a thunk it?

You'd be surprised.

Even if the title is a tautology, the trope on the page is actually very good commentary on why fanfiction is the way it is and how being a fan affects the medium. That is the essence of tropness. Not anything about the title.

Most Writers Are Writers is a trope and it's even more of a tautological title.

edited 20th Jul '11 5:03:56 AM by shimaspawn

I am sorry, there's no essence of a trope in that page, it's just telling you what a fanfic is. Again. What next? Most Dialogues Contains Words? There's maybe one line of text in the whole page worth keeping, and it can just be put in the description for Fanfic.

White the title is tautology, the trope itself is about protagonist often being writers or journalists. THAT's a trope.

edited 20th Jul '11 9:21:54 AM by Ghilz

I thought this trope was called Most Fan Fic Writers Are Fangirls, or am I mistaken?

EDIT: Oh, I'm thinking about Most Fan Fic Writers Are Girls. Carry on, then.

edited 20th Jul '11 9:33:05 AM by chihuahua0

There's also Most Writers Are Human.

Then there is the oddball Sequential Artist. (about artists who make artists characters but not necessarily main characters.)

Anyway I could see this existing as Most Fan Fic Writers Are Hardcore Fans (and a separate trope with Most Fan Fic Writers Are Shippers)because outside of Wreck Fic and HateFics and such they usually are.

I actually think this could be a great trope if the description was expanded a bit. I'd like to see it compare fanfiction to professional instances of writing in universes the writer didn't create (new authors coming in after Author Existence Failure, Expanded Universe / Shared Universe writers, etc.) to show more of the differences that being a fan makes.

As it is, it's just so short and obvious there just doesn't seem to be much point.

The article is also only about a paragraph long; could it just be folded into Fan Fic (which, incidentally, could also use a nice edit)?

edited 20th Jul '11 10:39:19 AM by jewelleddragon

I agree

If the article was like that, I'd agree it deserves it's own page, but at the moment, I can just be folded under Fan Fic.

The reasons for this trope would be the reasons for its inverse and converse:

1. We have Hate Fic, which is never written by fans of a work by its definition — it is to express the hatred of that canon. Think of Neon Exodus Evangelion. Hate Fic has a respectable examples list, so this exists. Wreck Fic may also fall into this class.
2. We don't have a trope for this to my knowledge, but there are people who write Fan Fic in a fandom without knowing the original work because they know and like other fanfics in the fandom — second-degree fans, so to speak. This can be hard to prove, natch, but it happens, especially when the work borders on Keep Circulating the Tapes.
   I am in the Dungeons And Dragons fandom at the moment. There is one M-rated story in that fandom I've been following where the author ended up noting that writing started, inspired by another fanfic, before the author looked up the source material. The source material was checked shortly before chapter 6 or 7. That story promptly got re-edited to better fit Canon and an acceptable fanon set.

Okay. There may be a case for this trope. Between non-fans and second-degree fans, there are people writing fanfic who aren't fans; thus, there may be a place for this trope for those who are.

Wreck Fics do exist made by fans. However, while someone who hates a series will insult it, and someone who doesn't know the series will either neutrally point it out as something by the author to make it clear it wasn't them or ignore it, a fan is much more likely to point out Plot Holes in a more affectionate way.

edited 20th Jul '11 1:35:02 PM by MangaManiac