- Jossed.
- Additionally, this scar was not present until the intermission. It was Retconned in after Slick got it in the MC storyline.
- Per Word of God, the monarch's scar should always have been there. Also, Spades just got stabbed in the eye; the "scar" is blood-splatter. Hussie's messing with us.
- Though, once his eye was mended, the stitches follow the same path that the blood-spatter did. His effigy also showed more of a gash then a stab.
- This is true. One idea on the forums is that the eye-stabbing cracked his carapace (which may help explain the ease with which Snowman shot off his arm.
- It's understandable that he'd have a gash rather than a simple eye wound, though— he got stabbed with a freaking lance.
- Per Word of God, the monarch's scar should always have been there. Also, Spades just got stabbed in the eye; the "scar" is blood-splatter. Hussie's messing with us.
- Not only that, but the Midnight Crew intermission is shown to have taken place years in the future (but not many) by the appearance of the same type of past-future communications machine that the Wayward Vagabond came across. Also, both Jack Noir and Spades Slick have barcodes on their arms.
- Also, at the end of the intermission Slick faces a(n) (SBURB? Skaianet?) interface that allows him to communicate with one of the trolls, and it's already been established that the trolls exist in a sort of backwards chronology. Not to mention that CG appears to be early on in his adventure (still in a house, Tier 1 Kernelsprite), and Slick stated that he had talked to the CG before - possibly as Jack Noir?
- By Word of God, Jack Noir from the kids' session is different from Spades Slicks as Spades was Jack Noir from the trolls' session.
- Er, no. But he will fight a fully prototyped Peregrine Mendicant!
- Probably not. Noir hid in the Frog Temple, killed most of the exiles, got the blood on his hand from WV, and took off for the troll session without killing Nannasprite.
- Why would Spades kill Karkat? They're buddies!
- Don't forget that the Trolls exiled him too. He would probably be damn pissed about it.
- Jossed.
I'm also guessing that he's responsible for the Rift, as a means of accessing other sessions in an attempt to disrupt them similarly.
- I've thought about this too, and it would certainly be an interesting parallel to Spades Slick's war on Lord English and the Felt on ruined Alternia. Unfortunately, by destroying Skaia and then creating the Rift and breaking the Troll session, he would actually be bringing about the end of two universes, ending the loop and effectively summoning Lord English himself.
- Or, Jack is just a murderous grump who wants to destroy the infrastructure of the Incipisphere so he can get on with the business of creating a world in his own image, the way Troll-Jack did as Spades Slick once he was Exiled. However, neither Jack likes the idea of Lord English horning in on his territory, and Mr.Slick's vendetta against him in the Intermission foreshadows an eventual Heel Face Turn once Lord English arrives in the Kid's session.
- Jossed by later updates: Jack takes gleeful pride in murders and is only doing it to stave off boredom.
- So just throw them against each other and watch them explode.
- However, Jack is probably a good deal more powerful since he has the abilities of having four tiers (well, technically five since Jaspersprite was double prototyped before entering the medium) of prototyping on top of his first guardian powers versus Jadesprites two prototype tiers and first guardian powers. But still neither would be able to kill the other.
- Carapaces are not mecha; there's no inclination that they can even "fuse" like this. Moreover, Bec Noir can seemingly only travel between sessions in the Medium, and not to actual universes like where Slick is. Also Troll ring was destroyed.
- Wrong, in that after going into the trolls' session, he attacked Billious Slick, rewatch [S] Cascade, he clearly went down to post apocalyptic Earth to attack the kids' exiles...however, you are correct on the ring bit, in fact this might be why (i've speculated so myself) Doc Scratch told them it was imperative they destroy the ring (so Bec Noir didn't also get the powers of Cthulhu...)...but the carapace bit might also be wrong, in such a way that the first person might be wrong too, in that, spades slick originally lost the OTHER ARM AND EYE, but switched which ones were missing by flipping his sprite...(it was even a plot point), and also they are chess pieces, and the same person...plus a first guardian can do practically anything, which should include absorbing a copy of themselves from an alternate universe...(and Lord English made a felt doll cue ball thing transform...so...)
- Spades Slick seems to be dead anyways. The absorption thing is still completely ridiculous and has never remotely even been suggested.
- Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. And the only reason why it hasn't been suggested is because two alternate universe counterparts haven't met each other yet, usually because said counterparts are dead. Meanwhile, it would barely even register in my top ten most ridiculous things I've encountered in Homestuck...
- Jossed - Bec Noir and Spades Slick never meet. The closest we get is Jack English getting Spades Slick - but the two of them are more interested in killing each other.
- Wrong, in that after going into the trolls' session, he attacked Billious Slick, rewatch [S] Cascade, he clearly went down to post apocalyptic Earth to attack the kids' exiles...however, you are correct on the ring bit, in fact this might be why (i've speculated so myself) Doc Scratch told them it was imperative they destroy the ring (so Bec Noir didn't also get the powers of Cthulhu...)...but the carapace bit might also be wrong, in such a way that the first person might be wrong too, in that, spades slick originally lost the OTHER ARM AND EYE, but switched which ones were missing by flipping his sprite...(it was even a plot point), and also they are chess pieces, and the same person...plus a first guardian can do practically anything, which should include absorbing a copy of themselves from an alternate universe...(and Lord English made a felt doll cue ball thing transform...so...)
- Alternately, Jackspers will promptly flip the fuck out (again) and try to kill her again, and Slick will be forced to step in and help defend Snowman.
- Let's take this further. Noir does kill Snowman, destroying the universe they are currently in and summoning Lord English. Nice job breaking it, villain.
- One possible variation is Spades Slick finds the ring hidden in the royal vault (if it's the same vault he's currently in), and uses its prototypes to fight against the fully prototyped Jack Noir from the kids' universe (whether or not he's actually Lord English).
- Based off the fact that those prototypes include Feferi and Vriska's Lusus, the battle would be just like Problem Sleuth versus Demonhead Mobster Kingpin. Except you'd be rooting for Demonhead Mobster Kingpin. And they're actually the same person.
- This is Jossed.
- Perhaps he had a premonition of his own death at the end of A 6 I 2.
- Note that Hussie was represented by a robot doppelganger in A 6 I 1.
- Jossed - He is killed off thanks to Dave.
- Probably not given that Jack and the BQ canonically have hatemance that in the troll's case at least developed into genuine romance.
- Jossed.
- Jossed again!
- Whoops this theory got sort of mangled in reorganization. The theory above it currently is about troll gender. Let's just believe that this theory is perfectly stand alone, and presumably it will become slightly less fake as a result
- A possible extension of this theory is that the "Snowman" who cuts off his arm is actually Past!Banished Quasiroyal, before she became Snowman... who attacked Spades because she thought he was the Jack Noir who betrayed her (And that might actually be the case, but that's not what this WMG is about).
- I'm pretty sure it's outright confirmed that they're the same Jack Noir.
- Confirmed actually.
- Jossed Actually!!!!
- Confirmed actually.
- Probably not!
- Probably not.
- Mom and Dad will try to stop Jack from tearing apart the now-fully-evolved Battlefield. They will fail.
- Confirmed in a sense
- Nannasprite will die stalling Jack so that John can escape from LOWAS.
- This particular thing is Jossed, but the spirit behind it...maybe.
- Jack will happen upon Jaspersprite while he is chatting with Nepeta. We will see this from Nepeta's perspective. It will be heartbreaking.
- Jaspersprite dies during the Scratch.
- Becsprite will sacrifice himself in an extremely grand way during the final battle. This will be required to give the kids and trolls the slightest chance of victory.
- Probably not considering Jadesprite.
- This is incorrect about the blood. The blood belonged to WV as Noir ripped the chunk of Uranium out of his gut to power a teleporter. However, he not only tried to save Jade, he actually did.
- Apparently Jossed, at least as far as symbols go, here.
- The fact that Jack hasn't simply done his typical BAMKATANACHESTSTABDIE or BAMKATANATHROATSLASHDIE maneuver on Rose, which is well within his capabilities, suggests that for whatever reason; he is hesistant to simply kill Rose and is merely acting in self defense when met with her GRIMDARK HORRORTERROR NUKE.
- He has shown no form of hesitation to murder Rose. What seems to be the case is that because Jaspers was dead for so long, his personality barely transfered. You could argue that Jack loves pranks because he's part jester and that would still be wrong because there's nothing in canon to support it.
- Whoops Jack's sword there just impaled Rose, guess this one's Jossed!
- Most likely, Bec's power made his personality more powerful, and/or Jaspers, as an independent-minded cat, wasn't really all that close to Rose.
- That doesn't really make sense though; Jaspersprite has consistently shown himself to care a lot for Rose, although he doesn't act that much on it.
- The fact that Jack hasn't simply done his typical BAMKATANACHESTSTABDIE or BAMKATANATHROATSLASHDIE maneuver on Rose, which is well within his capabilities, suggests that for whatever reason; he is hesistant to simply kill Rose and is merely acting in self defense when met with her GRIMDARK HORRORTERROR NUKE.
- Davesprite was the second prototyping, the ring only grants the properties of the first. So neither Davesprite nor Jadesprite will influence him, that's purely his own personality at work.
- Technically the ring only grants the properties of pre-Medium prototypings (hence why both of Rose's prototypings affect the Medium), but otherwise this is correct.
- It could be from another planet's session, too, though.
- Jossed by [S] Cascade
- Jossed: The universe is shown to be completely destroyed save for Doc's apartment floating in a void.
- Wow. That doesn't make sense in any department.
- He is from the Troll's session. John is obviously not a troll, so his prototypings wouldn't affect SS in any way.
- Spades doesn't have a ring and is not an underling. Prototyping can't happen.
- We freaking saw Snowman stab his eye out and tear his arm off.
- Dogpile Jossed.
It's likely that he found her corpse (the one with the robo-arm that was left behind when she fled Alternia) and tore off the arm to use as his own. But if you're wondering how he outfitted it if it's the wrong arm....HE JUST FLIPPED HIS SPRITE TURNWAYS.
- Her corpse is in the Medium, and likewise Equius's hive and her hive are also in the Medium.
- Sure doesn't clear him of his blowing up of Prospit and the Battlefield when he had only three prototypes.
- Somewhat Jossed, somewhat true. Although he's not trying to fix the session, he's actually the anthropomorphic form of the 'Cancer' of the kids session, so he can't completely be blamed for his actions.
- That's just Karkat's theory, not necessarily the unvarnished truth. *** Regardlesss of his status one way or the other, he still relishes murdering people.
- Somewhat Jossed, somewhat true. Although he's not trying to fix the session, he's actually the anthropomorphic form of the 'Cancer' of the kids session, so he can't completely be blamed for his actions.
- Pre-Jossed, based on factual error: Post-entry prototyping doesn't have an effect. Otherwise we'd have Nanna, Dave, and Jade-faced imps running around.
- The trophy binges were just a bit of the crow prototyping peeking through.
Now stick with me, it gets a little crazy here.
The kids reach Skaia and do the same thingnote . The Carapaces are then allowed to rebuild on Earth. Meanwhile, the Trolls are the next players of Sburb. Knowing that the Trolls are able to screw around with time, the Dark and Light Kingdoms both ask the Trolls to influence their past selves in an attempt to break the cycle. They are ultimately successful, although the Trolls' planet is still destroyed. The Kids use Skaia to create a new planet for them.
- Interesting extrapolation, but further exploration of the game's mechanics thoroughly disproved this theory.
- The Exiles are seeded on ruined worlds to rebuild them.
- Confirmed, but to rebuild their own society and eventually at some point in the future play Sburb again.
- Each Exile is associated with a single Skaian Vault.
- There are hundreds or dozens of exiles per game, but only 5 are exiles that actually affect the game and have terminals.
- The barcode on the Exile's wrist functions as a private key their vault.
- Slick's terminal is the only one shown yet to have this function
- Spades Slick planned the assault on Lord English's estate to regain access to his vault.
- Unlikely, he seemed surprised by what was in the vault and he was killing all the felt too.
- Each vault has a link to a single Sburb player earlier in the world's timeline.
- Confirmed-ish but they can switch around easily.
- Each Exile is programmed to obsess over a certain aspect of society (mayorship, mail, law, organised crime) to facilitate rebuilding.
- Their obsessions don't seemingly have much to do with rebuilding, PM becomes Queen and WV becomes a fighter instead of Mail Lady or Mayor.
- The goal of our heroes is to break this vicious cycle.
- Not yet, but we'll see.
- Some of this may be true, but so far with the Vaults...probably not. Exiles are indeed programmed but only in the game sense as they are essentially NPCs. Jack and WV especially represent two methods of removing the final bosses prior to fighting them, although WV's rebellion removing the Black King is apparently much harder to pull off than Jack's Operation Regisurp to remove te Black Queen.
- The Wayward Vagabond was once an Archagent, famous for for his harsh and unwavering agentship. He did not tolerate failure — his exports of Woe and Oppression were always well above quota. Some say there was a terrible accident. Others that the pressures of his job caused his mind to snap. All we know is that one day he was found scrawling antiroyalist slogans on his cubicle walls while singing La Marseillaise. To avoid embarrassments, his underlings did the only humane thing, and threw him out into the desert to die.
- Jossed. He was a Warweary Villein, who staged a Revolution against the Black and White royalty because of the war. He was also the only survivor of said revolution since Jack killed all of the other revolutionaries
- The Peregrine Mendicant was a war hero, champion of the Light Kingdom, instrumental in driving back the forces of Darkness in a thousand ferocious battles. Then the war ended, and she found she could never return home. 'We can't face this terrifying person!' the people of the Light Kingdom cried. 'Send her away, and her sword of darkness too!' The Peregrine marched voluntarily into exile to serve her people.
- Jossed. She was a Mailwoman, the Parcel Mistress. she went into exile after Jack demanded of her to deliver the crowns of the White King and Queen to him. She did, however, slay the Hegemonic Brute.
- The yellow wanderer had a different name... until the day his family was gunned down by playing card-themed mobsters. On that day, he understood that there was no justice in the world but that you dispensed one bullet at a time. He became an instrument of punishment to punish evildoers for their crimes — he became the Aimless Renegade!
- Jossed. He was an Authority Regulator, which basically amounts to a policeman. Hence his clothing made of caution tape.
- The Spades/Trolls universe is another iteration of the Homestuck universe in which there were 12 survivors.
- Jossed.
- Their purpose is to rebuild the world to a buzzing hive of Imagination. Sadly, this only attracts the next round of meteors.
- Jossed, Skaia doesn't work like that.
- Jossed
- More specifically, her civic obsession will be taxation.
- Spades Slick is her Kismesis. This is canon.
- Clubs Deuce was their Auspistice.
- Diamonds Droog was her Moirail.
- Hearts Boxcars felt he was her Matesprit...but then she married the Black King.
- May be partially Jossed. This page suggests Doc Scratch is their Auspistice.
- She doesn't even seem to be aware of the rest of the Crew in the Kid's session. They're Jack's underlings, so she doesn't pay attention to them.
- Mayonaka isn't even canon (yet). Hopefully he won't be, because he seems to give off strong vibes of a being a Villain Sue.
- Half-confirmed, but mostly jossed. Spades Slick is the trolls' game's version of WV, and the future version of their Jack Noir. Lord English and the Felt, however, are something else entirely. Mayonaka will never be canon.
- I figured the pieces got scattered when Becsprite (presumably) blew up the giant meteor over Jade's house. The only thing that reassembled it was when WQ turned the switch on the main unit.
- The above is correct, the WMG is Jossed.
- This is stupid.
- CONFIRMED IN OPENBOUND!!!!!! Befire being immediately Jossed.
- They're human, not Prospitians. There's a difference in the way the crew is drawn in PS as to how they appear in HS, they seem more overtly like chess pieces. This is best seen with Spades Slick.
- Jossed by [S] Cascade
- Jossed.
- Diamonds Droog has Aradia (Canon) and Kanaya (Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend)
- Spades Slick has Karkat (Canon) and Eridan (no explanation for this one, he's just a leftover)
- Clubs Deuce has Sollux (Canon) and Gamzee (they are both quite silly)
- Hearts Boxcars has Tavros (Canon), Equius (strength) and Nepeta (both apparently share an interest in romance)
- Snowman has Vriska and Terezi (Canon), as well as Feferi (both royalty)
- Doesn't really seem to work out; like Snowman showed and WV briefly attempted during his introduction, what is more likely is that the Midnight Crew advised a bunch of different trolls at different points in time.
- Also, if the speculation that WV is actually a shale imp is true, it would give him another reason to hate John for beating them to Skaia in the game.
- Jossed by later canon.
- Furthermore, the Windswept Questant that time traveled will tell the WQ of the current era everything that she will do in the future with the exiles, this letting her know about the Writ Keeper and ensuring that she will eventually time travel to the past.
- As the Aimless Renegade's Exile is presumably Dave, it is likely that contact between the two will allow the time travel to happen.
- Confirmed, but only WV will go to the past, as the others will stay to build a new town.
- Jossed by [S] Cascade
- As the Aimless Renegade's Exile is presumably Dave, it is likely that contact between the two will allow the time travel to happen.
- Jossed, the eight exile bit was just a reference to the order Snowman was introduced in, after three of the Midnight Crew and 4 of Earth's Exiles. All said there are currently 10 exiles, not 8, and there seems to be a pattern in that 4 are relatively related and the fifth is more of an anomaly.
- It would do him little to no good, given that he won't be able to interact with them except indirectly, and the Kids know plenty about the trolls.
- This is incredibly silly.
- There are a few dozen to a hundred "exiles" in any given session; the Trolls had enough to populate a city and WQ brought a ship with her. The term "Exile" is completely a fan creation and has no bearing on canon. Nevertheless, it seems that only 5 in any given session advise the players via terminals, and by that logic, Serenity doesn't qualify because she can't type.
- WQ was introduced with the command "Fourth Exile: Suddenly appear." So "exile" isn't entirely a fan term.
- Still; only 5 exiles of relevance in a given session (the other Earth Exiles never appeared after a brief cameo and the other Alternian exiles are never seen period.)
- WQ was introduced with the command "Fourth Exile: Suddenly appear." So "exile" isn't entirely a fan term.
- The ring will bring him back to life. He will then defeat Jack Noir, and set up the first Democratic Republic of Skaia in the reset session.
- Rings don't have that ability.
- Why is she watching them with her Bec powers? Maybe because she thinks they can help her somehow...
- OK, I stand corrected. WV is going to the trolls and kids himself, according to the most recent update. Though highly likely for the same reasons I supported this WMG with in the first place.
Problem Sleuth himself would be the foil to Jack Noir, Ace Dick to Clubs Deuce, and Pickle Inspector to Diamond Droog. Only problem would be finding someone who shares a large enough similarity to Hearts Boxcars......
- Andrew has Jossed this one, expressing strong distaste for theories about the PS crew showing up.
- Jossed.
- Yes he has. He's the Hegemonic Brute, a Joke Character who's been decapitated both times he's appeared. Besides we know what Kings look like, and HB looks completely different.
- By triggering the Reckoning, Black has won already.
- Sort of Jossed. Everybody loses, except for Jack and his lackeys. Of course, since the Exiles are still alive, this might change. ** Jossed completely; Jack wins for Derse and assumes control of it.
- Jossed apparently. Jack isn't insane. Moreover WV apparently will use the White Ring with no real consequences to his sanity.
- More like PM will.
- Jossed unless the king lost a lot of weight and got a tan.
- No, when Nanna said that light is always destined to lose, she really meant it! Karkat told John that there comes a time when black inevitably beats white, as well. It's how things are supposed to go down in every Sburb session. The White King's scepter is what gives the Derse rulers the power to send the Veil towards Skaia, so he must be taken out of the picture in order to initiate the Reckoning. He gets captured or killed, the Reckoning begins, and the players have to get their asses in gear and defeat the Black King and Queen before Skaia is destroyed. It seems highly unlikely that the White King and/or Queen survived the loss against Derse and the Reckoning and rallied for a late comeback victory in the trolls' session given Karkat's words. And even if that was the case it'd probably be another anomaly akin to the White King and Queen abdicating in the kids' session rather than the trolls' game of Sburb happening to follow rules opposite the kids'.
- Half-confirmed. Both sides of the war were wiped out... by Jack Noir.
- In general though, Light wins by virtue of the players winning; in any session where the players lose then Light has lost.
- It's also been demonstrated by WV, who is almost certainly a Dark Kingdom denizen (or used to be, anyway), that not all the black imps are inherently evil.
- Then there's Rose, the Seer of Light, who dabbles in Black magic. At least one, if not both, apply to her.
- Light is very much good, Prospit at least. There are no minions of Prospit; the players fulfill that role in a sense. Dark however is mostly Affably Evil, but there are some complete monsters there and the higher ups want to destroy reality entirely.
- The Crew and the Exiles don't even know the other exists, nor should they. Doc and the Horrorterrors are also another faction in the game; Doc created the conditions necessary for the game to be played and the Horrorterrors are trying to make the session fail. However, the bits about Jack and WV are correct; Jack Noir's normal function in the game is a process that allows players to despose the Black Queen. Likewise, WV's normal role seems to be the same towards the Black King, but is much harder to fufill because the players reach Skaia fairly late in the game, by which point he's probably already dead. All in all this WMG makes no sense to me, it's comparing exiles across sessions which makes no sense. Spades Slick is not Bec Noir, and Bec Noir never gets exiled.
- The Crew technically are Exiles of the trolls' session. None of them have to know about their analogues in other sessions to be programmed the same, thus comparisons between them are natural. What you're saying about JN and WV is already confirmed, but I'm further suggesting that the other Exiles may have their own but similar roles that circumstance simply didn't reveal in these sessions. But the WK and WQ were intended to be removed from play one way or another, which they have been, and won't have more than a peripheral support role.
- Neither Doc nor the Horrorterrors were built into the game; in a sense Doc is a hacker who has a backdoor into the game because he influenced it's inception (being omniscient helps.) The Horrorterrors are also outside the game in the same way they're outside the universe; they've only become a faction by intruding on the game, probably because their space provides the network for the client/server loops and interdimensional communication to be possible.
- The Horrorterrors are the faction that controls Derse. Think of it like this, in a chess game, the King and Queen aren't the players, they're just pieces. In Sburb, Skaia plays Prospit and the Elder Gods play Derse. Every session is a bargain between them and the cycle of destruction and renewal of universes. Doc creates the circumstances necessary for the game to be played and thus his own creation; Bec may have done something similar by leading Harley to the ruins. At any rate, they are part of the game.
- That Doc is created in the game that he created could just as easily be a side effect of entering the game; everyone who plays will be paradoxically created within it. And the Horrorterrors don't seem to have any interest in ruling Derse, though they can exert influence that natives and dreamers may take or leave, but it's not nearly a compulsion. Only when their own were being slain did they care to communicate with someone they hoped could save them, and then they incidentally became an unignorable factions in the game. But they aren't within it and aren't a design element of it. Both Doc and the Horrorterrors are hackers who have insinuated themselves for their own purposes.
- Using the term 'Exile' was meant to be a convenience rather than a confusion, so let me clarify them: SS, DD, CD, HB, WV, PM, AR of either session. If you can think of a better term to define this grouping, please tell.
- Back to the original idea, I think that at least AR and PM are not very important, AR especially. They may have had some function in game, but it's impossible to say for certain. PM and AR in the kids actual session did very little (although we have yet to see how PM gets exiled) and it seems to me to be a safe bet that they were simply generic NPC's that got caught up in the game. Secondly, there's nothing to say that WQ and WK are useless because they were fated to die; in fact WQ is by far the most useful exile shown yet, aside from Snowman. The Derse agents, certainly are part of the game. WV as well, but again, it doesn't seem like AR and PM had any normal function. Mail simply happened to be a facet of the kid's session, while it wasn't part of the Trolls (for instance, even Tavros's land doesn't seem to have the obsession with mail in the same way). PM and AR in that sense might be "unique" NPCs which possibly are generated seperately, similarly to how every land shown is unique. PM may have for instance been part of John's journey across Lo Wa S in a normal session.
- After Cascade, you may want to look over the unimportance of PM again.
- The discussion wasn't about PM after exiling but PM in the game. The thing is WV is in every session, and is a backdoor way to defeat the Black King, whereas PM has only been seen in one session and was a simple mail lady before the unusual circumstances of the Kid's session propelled her into becoming what she is now.
- Where is it ever said that WV is in every session? I don't recall seeing it anywhere in canon, unless it's a Formspring.
- It was a Formspring answer.
- Eventually shown in Act 6 is that AR is merely another type of pawn. PM is likely similar. With that in mind, it seems conclusive that the Agents of Derse and WV are in every session and may be failsafes against each other, but PM and AR are not, and simply happened to be exiles in the Kid's session.
- Back to the original idea, I think that at least AR and PM are not very important, AR especially. They may have had some function in game, but it's impossible to say for certain. PM and AR in the kids actual session did very little (although we have yet to see how PM gets exiled) and it seems to me to be a safe bet that they were simply generic NPC's that got caught up in the game. Secondly, there's nothing to say that WQ and WK are useless because they were fated to die; in fact WQ is by far the most useful exile shown yet, aside from Snowman. The Derse agents, certainly are part of the game. WV as well, but again, it doesn't seem like AR and PM had any normal function. Mail simply happened to be a facet of the kid's session, while it wasn't part of the Trolls (for instance, even Tavros's land doesn't seem to have the obsession with mail in the same way). PM and AR in that sense might be "unique" NPCs which possibly are generated seperately, similarly to how every land shown is unique. PM may have for instance been part of John's journey across Lo Wa S in a normal session.
- Jossed on multiple levels, but PM may continue some of that.
- The Big Bad of Act 6 is the Condesce. Though PM may attack the Kids, it's unlikely at this point.
- He's already assisted the pre-Scratch kids (knowingly or not) by destroying his session's battlefield.
- CD isn't intelligent enough to comprehend guilt. He felt somewhat bad about killing Jake's dreamself, but still is loyal to Derse. When taking Beta CD into account, the theory is pretty much Jossed.
- The Dark Realm and Prospit each have a tether world, or moon. Likely with 2 spires each. This◊ implies two kids go to the Dark Kingdom and the other two will head to Prospit. Implies that the Dark Kingdom two will be Dave and Rose.
- [This WMG actually turned out to be half-correct, at least in inadvertently stumbling upon the point of the game.]
- Uh... All of the Kids, save for maybe Dave, very much loved their Guardians. Jade especially loved Bec. It seems maybe you could argue platonic love... but moiraillegiance isn't about simple platonic love, it's more accurately someone being a Morality Chain, which isn't at all present in Jade's relationship to Bec for instance. Secondly, it also doesn't match up with the suites assigned to each kid, John is Spades, Dave is Hearts, Jade is Diamonds, and Rose is Clubs. But most importantly, Andrew had no idea the trolls existed when he created the Guardians, so if anything, the Troll romances reflect the relationships with the Guardians, not the other way around.
- They genuinely are crazy awesome and do all that shit.
- not ALL the guardians....
- You never know, there might be more WEIRD TIME SHIT.
- Probably not. The entire point of the Guardians from the beginning is like the lusi; to ultimately die so the players grow. Sburb has a grim mentality about extra people sneaking in; the only person to leave and enter the Medium without being a player is Hass, and that still hasn't been fully explained.
- Because it was a joke.
- Still possible, if you count the Post-Scratch guardians (who are now the players)
- Jossed, with one stern fatherly exception.
- You never know, there might be more WEIRD TIME SHIT.
- Probably not considering they were apparently caught offguard and put up little fight. Aside from Bro who was overpowered.
- However, aren't the Denizens in their respective palaces and currently sleeping?
- You wish. Those are just the mid-level monsters. The Guardians will be orders of magnitude scarier.
- UU's words pretty clearly applied to Roxy meeting Rose.
- Alternately, they've lost access to their guardians' corpses in the intervening 400 years of global flooding and antagonism by the Batterwitch who had them killed in the first place.
- Judging by the timeline in A 6 I 2, Roxy and Dirk almost certainly never knew their versions of Mom or Bro.
- Jossed: They died fighting the Condesce. Crocker might however be in the Medium with shenanigans.
- There are other theories that Mom and Bro survived somehow.
- He predates the Cretaceous.
- In fact, let's crank this up: Denizens are the final stage of Kernelsprite metamorphosis. Like pokemon, they evolve. Bec was first prototyped with a puppy and a klein bottle.
- Nope on both counts.
- This is partial canon, he's the First Guardian of Earth. However Guardians themselves are not that important. And he is her Guardian, at least to Sburb and for all intents and purposes.
- Not quite. Lord English used Jaspers to pass Rose the genetic sequence used to create First Guardians. The Old Gods, who fear and hope to prevent the arrival of Lord English, try to stop it by telling Rose to burn the notebook.
- Jossed all of this.
- Seems probable. The troll arc in act 5 established that a dreamself can replace the original if it dies, so it's entirely possible that the Grampa we're seeing in the medium is his dreamself.
- As Andrew has stated that most people don't even have a dreamself, this would mean that Jade's grandpa is destined to venture into the Medium. It also may have something to do with the implication that he is in some way related to the development of Sburb. *** Alternatively it is a past version of Grandpa Harley
- The above is jossed, only players have dream selves, and Grandpa is not a player. He is a past version of himself.
- Jossed, Andrew didn't even know who he was.
- Jossed, blood.
This is the funniest outcome, and therefore the most likely.
- We'll never find out now!
- But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
- Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
- The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
- Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
- We'll never know because he's dead.
- We probably will never know.
- Doubtful, though, considering that Bro doesn't show any signs of possessing future tech beyond his rocket board.
- And Dirk himself outright says much of his tech isn't really anything he made but just stuff that exists in the future.
Plus, it'd give a whole new reason behind his name being Mr. Crocker: Nobody but him knows about the Old Universe. Nobody'd believe him, either.
- FAIRIES!
- Remembering the Beta universe would invite unavoidable comparisons to the Signless/Sufferer, except Dad was not ectobiologically created, and Hussie likes to extend these metaphors as far as they can go.
- Probably not; he's actually not even genetically similar to Mr. Egbert and they're completely separate entities who just happen to be similar. Besides, he's not a player and the Sufferer was unique. Also Hussie probably isn't aware of The Fairly OddParents! as he was already an adult during the timespan it aired.
- The MEOWs scribbled on Rose's wall might be genetic code needed to clone a new Jaspers, which could have been the secret he revealed to Rose. Rose's mom tries to recreate the cat from this.
- The MEOW code is not for Jaspers, but rather, a DNA sequence that when combined with another creature, will grant them omnipotence.
- They didn't seem to do much looking after before they died.
- Either that or Nana Egbert and Bro. Because the whole relationship stuff wasn't messed up as it was.
- Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of Colonel Sassacre and Bill Cosby.
- SLIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS GOODNIGHT. He is genuinely Nanna's son.
- The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
- Alternatively, perhaps the tower he died on was on top of his quest bed, or he had multiple dream selves, like Sullox..., died again, this time on the quest bed, either way, then reaching god tier, then going back in time, becoming fedora freak...
- Not Jossed, per se, but NOPED. Dad is pipeFan. Nannasprite overtly says this in her conversation with fedoraFreak.
- Of course, it's still possible that fedoraFreak is the Alpha Dad, who was somehow sending messages to the Beta Universe.
- Word of God is that she did
- Considering the pre-Scratch versions of the same characters will be outright players (including, presumably, John), that would be very, very odd. And Jake doesn't really have any kind of guardian, not even an equivalent to Bec; both Poppop Crocker and Jake's grandma are, presumably, dead.
- If you mean they're going to be fighting while alive that's going to be kind of hard since Poppop!John and Nanna!Jade died of old age and if Dirk is right about Dave!Bro and Rose!Mom being dead.
- Thus, Jossed.
- If you mean they're going to be fighting while alive that's going to be kind of hard since Poppop!John and Nanna!Jade died of old age and if Dirk is right about Dave!Bro and Rose!Mom being dead.
- And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
- And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
- Well, confirmed that 1025 is an Arc Number, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
- And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
- Well, confirmed that 1025 is an Arc Number, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
- It's actually the quite ordinary past.
- The trolls can only communicate with the kids in the alpha timeline. We know that everything up through the windy thing is in the alpha timeline.
- Everything is the alpha.
- Completely Confirmed.
- Remember though, the DEAD trolls aside from Vriska are all Flat Characters; from the point of the story there's no real reason for them to come back aside from fan complaints. Besides, they seem to really enjoy dreambubbles and likely wouldn't want to come back.
- Building on this, a "hot god" is actually a specific type of horrorterror of above-average attractiveness. Jelly is... I dunno, probably just jelly. But it's gotta do something.
- Jossed. Scroll down to the section titled "The 4th Wall".
- This sounds confirmed in an Alterniabound dialog; the part about Alternia and Earth being concurrent universes on a moebius strip and the part about a stable time split requiring it's own paradoxical cause. The part about the split continuing all the way around to make a longer continuity is just a property of moebius strips.
- A corollary of this is that successfully changing the future in this way leaves the perspective that it was always that way in the first place.
- The problem with this is that the Earth session is barren, so it can't create Alternia to continue the loop.
- We've already seen the Trolls scratch their session to get a new one that creates Earth, this may happen after Earth's session's scratch. Past (ancestor) Trolls > Future (current) Trolls > Past (current) Humans > Future (post-scratch) Humans > Past Trolls. This would make Cascade the point where the Mobius strip finally reaches itself to start over, as the Humans scratch their session but persist into the new one.
- UU indirectly jossed this. The Trolls will survive after the end of the Alpha Session and continue to play sburb many more times over.
- The problem with this is that the Earth session is barren, so it can't create Alternia to continue the loop.
- Or more plausibly, Act 6 is green because it will involve Lord English much more and begins with the explosion of the Green Sun. Act 7 is white most likely to show that it is beyond all of the game stuff, as it is going to be entirely epilogue.
- Note that the dots for the acts that have been completed so far match the curtains that closed them.
In the beginning of the story, it was stated that the Sburb that the core four had was still in beta, as well as Sgrub in Alternia later on. Perhaps the S-series is as a whole in beta, using characters created as a product of their unfinished game to play it on their own while Skaianet takes the data from those "tests" and uses them to correct it. Quite possibly, when they have enough information from the other games, the testers, like any other, will play the game for themselves. If they the survive their own game without any problems, it will be ready for distribution in the new universe.
What if their playing interferes with the Core Four's session? That hasn't been figured out yet.
- Sburb/Sgrub is not very important. It functions as a minimal interface, default inventory system (deployables), and the way to enter a game. However the facts of a session itself are not shaped by the Swhateverb; the most important thing for the stable time loops is that the players enter. Everything else is gravy.