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Tired of Bec Noir's antics, and knowing that the kids ultimately have a better chance of defeating him than he does, DD is going to kick Rose out of the moon and pilot it himself. 2x ''Film/{{Armageddon}}'' Reference Combo!
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Tired of Bec Noir's antics, and knowing that the kids ultimately have a better chance of defeating him than he does, DD is going to kick Rose out of the moon and pilot it himself. 2x ''Film/{{Armageddon}}'' ''Film/Armageddon1998'' Reference Combo!
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This WMG appeared on the Bay12 MSPA discussion, and it makes a good deal of sense to me. After all, to every little boy, his father is the strongest man in the world. Children don't like to admit their parents are just normal people, so they make up crazy stories, like "My Mom is a mad scientist/ ninja/ secret agent," which is rather similar to Rose's mom, who is at least partially confirmed to be a mad scientist. And your big brother (especially if you're a male) is always the coolest guy you know. The outlier is Bec and Grandpa, but could still be explained. After all, some grandparents have these awesome stories about exotic places, like Paris (Texas) and New York. Some children, I suppose, would make up stories about their Grandfather being an Explorer/Hunter/All around cool guy. And Bec, well, he's Jade's dog. Maybe he represents, again, how every child feels about their dog: He's the coolest dog around.
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This WMG appeared on the Bay12 [=Bay12=] MSPA discussion, and it makes a good deal of sense to me. After all, to every little boy, his father is the strongest man in the world. Children don't like to admit their parents are just normal people, so they make up crazy stories, like "My Mom is a mad scientist/ ninja/ secret agent," which is rather similar to Rose's mom, who is at least partially confirmed to be a mad scientist. And your big brother (especially if you're a male) is always the coolest guy you know. The outlier is Bec and Grandpa, but could still be explained. After all, some grandparents have these awesome stories about exotic places, like Paris (Texas) and New York. Some children, I suppose, would make up stories about their Grandfather being an Explorer/Hunter/All around cool guy. And Bec, well, he's Jade's dog. Maybe he represents, again, how every child feels about their dog: He's the coolest dog around.
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** Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of [[MarkTwain Colonel Sassacre]] and Creator/BillCosby.
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** Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of [[MarkTwain [[Creator/MarkTwain Colonel Sassacre]] and Creator/BillCosby.
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[[WMG: All the exiles were implemented as solutions to the game, with failsafes against each other.]]
The white army was destined to lose, but the eight exiles were designed to be exploited by the players to win the game themselves. This doesn't include WK, who wasn't intended to survive, but does include SS, DD, CD and HB. The Warweary Villein worked too well, and would've made the game too easy by deposing the Black King before all prototypings were complete, if Jack Noir hadn't worked too well and made it near unbeatable by [[ChessMotifs Queening himself]]. But the game hasn't been broken yet -- the exiles can still foil each other, as intended. However, the involvement of Doc Scratch and the Horrorterrors were not intended, and can permanently break the game.
* The Crew and the Exiles don't even know the other exists, nor should they. Doc and the Horrorterrors are also another faction in the game; Doc created the conditions necessary for the game to be played and the Horrorterrors are trying to make the session fail. However, the bits about Jack and WV are correct; Jack Noir's normal function in the game is a process that allows players to despose the Black Queen. Likewise, WV's normal role seems to be the same towards the Black King, but is much harder to fufill because the players reach Skaia fairly late in the game, by which point he's probably already dead. All in all this WMG makes no sense to me, it's comparing exiles across sessions which makes no sense. Spades Slick is not Bec Noir, and Bec Noir never gets exiled.
** The Crew technically ''are'' Exiles of the trolls' session. None of them have to know about their analogues in other sessions to be programmed the same, thus comparisons between them are natural. What you're saying about JN and WV is already confirmed, but I'm further suggesting that the other Exiles may have their own but similar roles that circumstance simply didn't reveal in these sessions. But the WK and WQ were intended to be removed from play one way or another, which they have been, and won't have more than a peripheral support role.
** Neither Doc nor the Horrorterrors were built into the game; in a sense Doc is a hacker who has a backdoor into the game because he influenced it's inception (being omniscient helps.) The Horrorterrors are also outside the game in the same way they're outside the universe; they've only become a faction by intruding on the game, probably because their space provides the network for the client/server loops and interdimensional communication to be possible.
*** The Horrorterrors are the faction that controls Derse. Think of it like this, in a chess game, the King and Queen aren't the players, they're just pieces. In Sburb, Skaia plays Prospit and the Elder Gods play Derse. Every session is a bargain between them and the cycle of destruction and renewal of universes. Doc creates the circumstances necessary for the game to be played and thus his own creation; Bec may have done something similar by leading Harley to the ruins. At any rate, they are part of the game.
*** That Doc is created in the game that he created could just as easily be a side effect of entering the game; ''everyone'' who plays will be paradoxically created within it. And the Horrorterrors don't seem to have any interest in ruling Derse, though they can exert influence that natives and dreamers may take or leave, but it's not nearly a compulsion. Only when their own were being slain did they care to communicate with someone they hoped could save them, and then they incidentally became an unignorable factions in the game. But they aren't within it and aren't a design element of it. Both Doc and the Horrorterrors are hackers who have insinuated themselves for their own purposes.
* Using the term 'Exile' was meant to be a convenience rather than a confusion, so let me clarify them: SS, DD, CD, HB, WV, PM, AR of either session. If you can think of a better term to define this grouping, please tell.
** Back to the original idea, I think that at least AR and PM are not very important, AR especially. They may have had some function in game, but it's impossible to say for certain. PM and AR in the kids actual session did very little (although we have yet to see how PM gets exiled) and it seems to me to be a safe bet that they were simply generic NPC's that got caught up in the game. Secondly, there's nothing to say that WQ and WK are useless because they were fated to die; in fact WQ is by far the most useful exile shown yet, aside from Snowman. The Derse agents, certainly are part of the game. WV as well, but again, it doesn't seem like AR and PM had any normal function. Mail simply happened to be a facet of the kid's session, while it wasn't part of the Trolls (for instance, even Tavros's land doesn't seem to have the obsession with mail in the same way). PM and AR in that sense might be "unique" [=NPCs=] which possibly are generated seperately, similarly to how every land shown is unique. PM may have for instance been part of John's journey across LoWaS in a normal session.
*** After Cascade, you may want to look over the unimportance of PM again.
*** The discussion wasn't about PM after exiling but PM in the game. The thing is WV is in every session, and is a backdoor way to defeat the Black King, whereas PM has only been seen in one session and was a simple mail lady before the unusual circumstances of the Kid's session propelled her into becoming what she is now.
*** Where is it ever said that WV is in every session? I don't recall seeing it anywhere in canon, unless it's a Formspring.
*** It was a Formspring answer.
** Eventually shown in Act 6 is that AR is merely another type of pawn. PM is likely similar. With that in mind, it seems conclusive that the Agents of Derse and WV are in every session and may be failsafes against each other, but PM and AR are not, and simply happened to be exiles in the Kid's session.
[[WMG: WV is the ultimate BigBad in Act 6]]
With the Scratch and the kids fleeing the wreckage of their universe, Exile Town and the other four Exiles will die. WV is the only one with a chance of surviving, and he pursues them into their new session. Unlike Jack, he isn't depowered by the destruction of the Green Sun because he still has the Uranium in his belly, so he'll go on an [[GreyAndGreyMorality entirely justified]] attack on the Kids and Trolls.
* Jossed on multiple levels, but PM may continue some of that.
** The BigBad of Act 6 is the Condesce. Though PM may attack the Kids, it's unlikely at this point.
[[WMG: Alpha Courtyard Droll will undergo a HeelFaceTurn.]]
The Droll has been known to be a MinionWithAnFInEvil in all three incarnations and has either made friends or attempted to make friends with the heroes before. Of course, he always remembered his allegiance to Derse in the end...but he has clearly shown misgivings with the new Dersite regime's agenda. Under their "[[Characters/HomestuckTheFeltTwo new management]]", Derse will continue to sink to lows any Derse of a normal session would never sink to, and the guilt will drive CD to helping the considerably nicer Kids defeat his former superiors.
* He's already assisted the pre-Scratch kids (knowingly or not) by destroying his session's battlefield.
** CD isn't intelligent enough to comprehend guilt. He felt somewhat bad about killing Jake's dreamself, but still is loyal to Derse. When taking Beta CD into account, the theory is pretty much Jossed.
The white army was destined to lose, but the eight exiles were designed to be exploited by the players to win the game themselves. This doesn't include WK, who wasn't intended to survive, but does include SS, DD, CD and HB. The Warweary Villein worked too well, and would've made the game too easy by deposing the Black King before all prototypings were complete, if Jack Noir hadn't worked too well and made it near unbeatable by [[ChessMotifs Queening himself]]. But the game hasn't been broken yet -- the exiles can still foil each other, as intended. However, the involvement of Doc Scratch and the Horrorterrors were not intended, and can permanently break the game.
* The Crew and the Exiles don't even know the other exists, nor should they. Doc and the Horrorterrors are also another faction in the game; Doc created the conditions necessary for the game to be played and the Horrorterrors are trying to make the session fail. However, the bits about Jack and WV are correct; Jack Noir's normal function in the game is a process that allows players to despose the Black Queen. Likewise, WV's normal role seems to be the same towards the Black King, but is much harder to fufill because the players reach Skaia fairly late in the game, by which point he's probably already dead. All in all this WMG makes no sense to me, it's comparing exiles across sessions which makes no sense. Spades Slick is not Bec Noir, and Bec Noir never gets exiled.
** The Crew technically ''are'' Exiles of the trolls' session. None of them have to know about their analogues in other sessions to be programmed the same, thus comparisons between them are natural. What you're saying about JN and WV is already confirmed, but I'm further suggesting that the other Exiles may have their own but similar roles that circumstance simply didn't reveal in these sessions. But the WK and WQ were intended to be removed from play one way or another, which they have been, and won't have more than a peripheral support role.
** Neither Doc nor the Horrorterrors were built into the game; in a sense Doc is a hacker who has a backdoor into the game because he influenced it's inception (being omniscient helps.) The Horrorterrors are also outside the game in the same way they're outside the universe; they've only become a faction by intruding on the game, probably because their space provides the network for the client/server loops and interdimensional communication to be possible.
*** The Horrorterrors are the faction that controls Derse. Think of it like this, in a chess game, the King and Queen aren't the players, they're just pieces. In Sburb, Skaia plays Prospit and the Elder Gods play Derse. Every session is a bargain between them and the cycle of destruction and renewal of universes. Doc creates the circumstances necessary for the game to be played and thus his own creation; Bec may have done something similar by leading Harley to the ruins. At any rate, they are part of the game.
*** That Doc is created in the game that he created could just as easily be a side effect of entering the game; ''everyone'' who plays will be paradoxically created within it. And the Horrorterrors don't seem to have any interest in ruling Derse, though they can exert influence that natives and dreamers may take or leave, but it's not nearly a compulsion. Only when their own were being slain did they care to communicate with someone they hoped could save them, and then they incidentally became an unignorable factions in the game. But they aren't within it and aren't a design element of it. Both Doc and the Horrorterrors are hackers who have insinuated themselves for their own purposes.
* Using the term 'Exile' was meant to be a convenience rather than a confusion, so let me clarify them: SS, DD, CD, HB, WV, PM, AR of either session. If you can think of a better term to define this grouping, please tell.
** Back to the original idea, I think that at least AR and PM are not very important, AR especially. They may have had some function in game, but it's impossible to say for certain. PM and AR in the kids actual session did very little (although we have yet to see how PM gets exiled) and it seems to me to be a safe bet that they were simply generic NPC's that got caught up in the game. Secondly, there's nothing to say that WQ and WK are useless because they were fated to die; in fact WQ is by far the most useful exile shown yet, aside from Snowman. The Derse agents, certainly are part of the game. WV as well, but again, it doesn't seem like AR and PM had any normal function. Mail simply happened to be a facet of the kid's session, while it wasn't part of the Trolls (for instance, even Tavros's land doesn't seem to have the obsession with mail in the same way). PM and AR in that sense might be "unique" [=NPCs=] which possibly are generated seperately, similarly to how every land shown is unique. PM may have for instance been part of John's journey across LoWaS in a normal session.
*** After Cascade, you may want to look over the unimportance of PM again.
*** The discussion wasn't about PM after exiling but PM in the game. The thing is WV is in every session, and is a backdoor way to defeat the Black King, whereas PM has only been seen in one session and was a simple mail lady before the unusual circumstances of the Kid's session propelled her into becoming what she is now.
*** Where is it ever said that WV is in every session? I don't recall seeing it anywhere in canon, unless it's a Formspring.
*** It was a Formspring answer.
** Eventually shown in Act 6 is that AR is merely another type of pawn. PM is likely similar. With that in mind, it seems conclusive that the Agents of Derse and WV are in every session and may be failsafes against each other, but PM and AR are not, and simply happened to be exiles in the Kid's session.
[[WMG: WV is the ultimate BigBad in Act 6]]
With the Scratch and the kids fleeing the wreckage of their universe, Exile Town and the other four Exiles will die. WV is the only one with a chance of surviving, and he pursues them into their new session. Unlike Jack, he isn't depowered by the destruction of the Green Sun because he still has the Uranium in his belly, so he'll go on an [[GreyAndGreyMorality entirely justified]] attack on the Kids and Trolls.
* Jossed on multiple levels, but PM may continue some of that.
** The BigBad of Act 6 is the Condesce. Though PM may attack the Kids, it's unlikely at this point.
[[WMG: Alpha Courtyard Droll will undergo a HeelFaceTurn.]]
The Droll has been known to be a MinionWithAnFInEvil in all three incarnations and has either made friends or attempted to make friends with the heroes before. Of course, he always remembered his allegiance to Derse in the end...but he has clearly shown misgivings with the new Dersite regime's agenda. Under their "[[Characters/HomestuckTheFeltTwo new management]]", Derse will continue to sink to lows any Derse of a normal session would never sink to, and the guilt will drive CD to helping the considerably nicer Kids defeat his former superiors.
* He's already assisted the pre-Scratch kids (knowingly or not) by destroying his session's battlefield.
** CD isn't intelligent enough to comprehend guilt. He felt somewhat bad about killing Jake's dreamself, but still is loyal to Derse. When taking Beta CD into account, the theory is pretty much Jossed.
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* You wish. ''Those'' are just the mid-level monsters. The Guardians will be orders of magnitude scarier
[[WMG: The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
This might explain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again the way Vriska said he would.
* No, that's inherent to any player. The windy thing from Tavros was simply him using his own powers.
[[WMG: The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
This might explain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again the way Vriska said he would.
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[[WMG:The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
ThisPoppop Crocker, Mom Lalonde (B2 Rose) and Bro Strider (B2 Dave) are all in the Medium]]
Hey, it happened to Grandpa. Poppop mightexplain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth have actually faked his death and left behind a fake corpse - the ultimate prank. Meanwhile, Bro and Mom entered the Medium to escape the invasion. Unlike the B1 Guardians, who were separated from their children when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again they entered the way Vriska sessions, the B2 Guardians will find their children and there will be tearful reunions...or more precisely meetings. It's not like UU said he would.
Roxy's mother and daughter were the same person...even though they sort of are.
*No, that's inherent UU's words pretty clearly applied to any player. The windy thing from Tavros was simply him using his own powers.
Roxy meeting Rose.
* Alternately, they've lost access to their guardians' corpses in the intervening 400 years of global flooding and antagonism by the Batterwitch who had them killed in the first place.
* Judging by the timeline in A6I2, Roxy and Dirk almost certainly never knew their versions of Mom or Bro.
* '''Jossed''': They died fighting the Condesce. Crocker might however be in the Medium with shenanigans.
** There are other theories that Mom and Bro survived somehow.
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* Alternately, they've lost access to their guardians' corpses in the intervening 400 years of global flooding and antagonism by the Batterwitch who had them killed in the first place.
* Judging by the timeline in A6I2, Roxy and Dirk almost certainly never knew their versions of Mom or Bro.
* '''Jossed''': They died fighting the Condesce. Crocker might however be in the Medium with shenanigans.
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* We probably will never know.
* Doubtful, though, considering that Bro doesn't show any signs of possessing future tech beyond his rocket board.
** And Dirk himself outright says much of his tech isn't really anything he made but just stuff that exists in the future.
Plus, it'd give a whole new reason behind his name being [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents Mr. Crocker]]: Nobody but him knows about the Old Universe. Nobody'd believe him, either.
* FAIRIES!
* Remembering the Beta universe would invite unavoidable comparisons to the Signless/Sufferer, except Dad was not ectobiologically created, and Hussie likes to extend these metaphors as far as they can go.
* Probably not; he's actually not even genetically similar to Mr. Egbert and they're completely separate entities who just happen to be similar. Besides, he's not a player and the Sufferer was unique. Also Hussie probably isn't aware of WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents as he was already an adult during the timespan it aired.
* We probably will never know.
* Doubtful, though, considering that Bro doesn't show any signs of possessing future tech beyond his rocket board.
** And Dirk himself outright says much of his tech isn't really anything he made but just stuff that exists in the future.
Plus, it'd give a whole new reason behind his name being [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents Mr. Crocker]]: Nobody but him knows about the Old Universe. Nobody'd believe him, either.
* FAIRIES!
* Remembering the Beta universe would invite unavoidable comparisons to the Signless/Sufferer, except Dad was not ectobiologically created, and Hussie likes to extend these metaphors as far as they can go.
* Probably not; he's actually not even genetically similar to Mr. Egbert and they're completely separate entities who just happen to be similar. Besides, he's not a player and the Sufferer was unique. Also Hussie probably isn't aware of WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents as he was already an adult during the timespan it aired.
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[[WMG: ''Mr. Crocker'' remembers the Beta World.]]
He, out of all the guardians, has not changed. This makes him stand out; If he was the only one without a change, this likely could mean that he still retains the old memories he had from the Beta World. Unfortunately, this would involve a bit of FridgeHorror, as the recent watching of Jane's "Mailsplosion" would bring back unknown, painful memories of a similar incident somewhere in his past.
He, out of all the guardians, has not changed. This makes him stand out; If he was the only one without a change, this likely could mean that he still retains the old memories he had from the Beta World. Unfortunately, this would involve a bit of FridgeHorror, as the recent watching of Jane's "Mailsplosion" would bring back unknown, painful memories of a similar incident somewhere in his past.
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[[WMG: Spades Slick (Troll session) and Bec Noir (after having his powers toned down from the current god mode) will eventually fuse in a single Noir (or at least join forces)]]
This Fusion!Noir will equip the Troll section ring to his left hand, and the kids ring on his right hand, having powers from both sections.
This ensures the "last boss" to be beatable, but still tougher than previous Kids!Jack, who apparently struggled to be at the same level as Bro. Alternatively, the kids and the trolls will have to team up to defeat the two Jacks, or a fusion of both.
What makes me think they'll fuse? Well, they seem like polar opposites; Bec Noir (with his sprite facing right) has a scar on his right eye (AFAIK it's deep enough to make that eye blind), and doesn't have a left arm, while Slick Noir (with his sprite facing right) doesn't have his left eye and his right arm. In any other comic I would disregard this as a coincidence, but on one so rooted on symbolism as Homestuck, it really strikes to me Hussie is turning them into two halves of a whole.
* Carapaces are not mecha; there's no inclination that they can even "fuse" like this. Moreover, Bec Noir can seemingly only travel between sessions in the Medium, and not to actual universes like where Slick is. Also Troll ring was destroyed.
** Wrong, in that after going into the trolls' session, he attacked Billious Slick, rewatch [S] Cascade, he clearly went down to post apocalyptic Earth to attack the kids' exiles...however, you are correct on the ring bit, in fact this might be why (i've speculated so myself) Doc Scratch told them it was imperative they destroy the ring (so Bec Noir didn't also get the powers of Cthulhu...)...but the carapace bit might also be wrong, in such a way that the first person might be wrong too, in that, spades slick originally lost the OTHER ARM AND EYE, but switched which ones were missing by flipping his sprite...(it was even a plot point), and also they are chess pieces, and the same person...plus a first guardian can do practically anything, which should include absorbing a copy of themselves from an alternate universe...(and Lord English made a felt doll cue ball thing transform...so...)
*** Spades Slick seems to be dead anyways. The absorption thing is still completely ridiculous and has never remotely even been suggested.
*** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006571 Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated.]] And the only reason why it hasn't been suggested is because two alternate universe counterparts haven't met each other yet, usually because said counterparts are dead. Meanwhile, it would barely even register in my top ten most ridiculous things I've encountered in Homestuck...
*** '''Jossed''' - Bec Noir and Spades Slick never meet. The closest we get is Jack English getting Spades Slick - but the two of them are more interested in killing each other.
This Fusion!Noir will equip the Troll section ring to his left hand, and the kids ring on his right hand, having powers from both sections.
This ensures the "last boss" to be beatable, but still tougher than previous Kids!Jack, who apparently struggled to be at the same level as Bro. Alternatively, the kids and the trolls will have to team up to defeat the two Jacks, or a fusion of both.
What makes me think they'll fuse? Well, they seem like polar opposites; Bec Noir (with his sprite facing right) has a scar on his right eye (AFAIK it's deep enough to make that eye blind), and doesn't have a left arm, while Slick Noir (with his sprite facing right) doesn't have his left eye and his right arm. In any other comic I would disregard this as a coincidence, but on one so rooted on symbolism as Homestuck, it really strikes to me Hussie is turning them into two halves of a whole.
* Carapaces are not mecha; there's no inclination that they can even "fuse" like this. Moreover, Bec Noir can seemingly only travel between sessions in the Medium, and not to actual universes like where Slick is. Also Troll ring was destroyed.
** Wrong, in that after going into the trolls' session, he attacked Billious Slick, rewatch [S] Cascade, he clearly went down to post apocalyptic Earth to attack the kids' exiles...however, you are correct on the ring bit, in fact this might be why (i've speculated so myself) Doc Scratch told them it was imperative they destroy the ring (so Bec Noir didn't also get the powers of Cthulhu...)...but the carapace bit might also be wrong, in such a way that the first person might be wrong too, in that, spades slick originally lost the OTHER ARM AND EYE, but switched which ones were missing by flipping his sprite...(it was even a plot point), and also they are chess pieces, and the same person...plus a first guardian can do practically anything, which should include absorbing a copy of themselves from an alternate universe...(and Lord English made a felt doll cue ball thing transform...so...)
*** Spades Slick seems to be dead anyways. The absorption thing is still completely ridiculous and has never remotely even been suggested.
*** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006571 Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated.]] And the only reason why it hasn't been suggested is because two alternate universe counterparts haven't met each other yet, usually because said counterparts are dead. Meanwhile, it would barely even register in my top ten most ridiculous things I've encountered in Homestuck...
*** '''Jossed''' - Bec Noir and Spades Slick never meet. The closest we get is Jack English getting Spades Slick - but the two of them are more interested in killing each other.
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[[WMG: Spades Slick will become completely robotic, turning him into Robo-Hussie]]
As the story progresses, Spades Slick has gained more and more prosthetic parts, so it stands to reason that he will become a full-out robot at some point. [[AuthorAvatar Andrew Hussie]] was seen nursing him back to health after an unspecified injury, without any obvious motive. He must secretly be planning to turn Slick into his robot doppelganger.
* Perhaps he had a premonition of his own death at the end of A6I2.
* Note that Hussie was represented by a robot doppelganger in A6I1.
** '''Jossed''' - He is killed off thanks to Dave.
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[[WMG: Jadesprite and Jack Noir will cancel each other out.]]
According to Vriska, Becquerel is unable to go against Derse agents. Jadesprite is partially Becquerel due to prototyping, so she couldn't hurt Jack. Similarly, Jack cannot kill Jade due to Bec's prototyping.
* [[InsaneTrollLogic So just throw them against each other and watch them explode.]]
* However, Jack is probably a good deal more powerful since he has the abilities of having four tiers (well, technically five since Jaspersprite was double prototyped before entering the medium) of prototyping on top of his first guardian powers versus Jadesprites two prototype tiers and first guardian powers. But still neither would be able to kill the other.
[[WMG: LightIsNotGood, DarkIsNotEvil]]
Aside from attempting to humanely imprison John's father, the imps mostly want to use his backyard rides, play with toys, and defend themselves when assaulted with hammers. We've not seen the minions of light yet. We have no reason to assume they're necessarily better, anymore than the white pieces in chess are any more noble or righteous than the black ones.
* It's also been demonstrated by WV, who is almost certainly a Dark Kingdom denizen (or used to be, anyway), that not all the black imps are inherently evil.
* Then there's Rose, the Seer of Light, who dabbles in Black magic. At least one, if not both, apply to her.
* Light is very much good, Prospit at least. There are no minions of Prospit; the players fulfill that role in a sense. Dark however is mostly AffablyEvil, but there are some complete monsters there and the higher ups want to destroy reality entirely.
[[WMG: Dad is the result of combing the DNA/ectoplasm slime of Bro and Grandpa Harley]]
* Either that or Nana Egbert and Bro. Because the whole relationship stuff wasn't messed up as it was.
** Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of [[MarkTwain Colonel Sassacre]] and Creator/BillCosby.
** SLIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS GOODNIGHT. He is genuinely Nanna's son.
* Either that or Nana Egbert and Bro. Because the whole relationship stuff wasn't messed up as it was.
** Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of [[MarkTwain Colonel Sassacre]] and Creator/BillCosby.
** SLIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS GOODNIGHT. He is genuinely Nanna's son.
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[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
[[WMG: The theoretical Ophiuchus troll is Rose.]]
Specifically, the troll version of Rose that Kanaya imagines while reading the walkthrough. The callsign for this hypothetical troll is UU, using Uracil to fit with the genetic ThemeNaming; Uracil replaces Thymine in RNA, so TT = UU.
* Probably not, there is no UU yet.
* And when there was, she was nothing like this.
[[WMG: The thirteenth Troll is Hussie himself]]
Because so far he's done more trolling than the other 12 trolls put together.
* 13th doesn't exist as of current canon.
[[WMG: Feferi doesn't interact much with Nepeta because she is afraid of cats]]
She is, after all, practically a fish.
[[WMG: We have already seen Lord English]]
Its [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002756 this]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002757 thing]]. Or at least a statue of him... Or a stuffed severed tentacle that was part of him... straighten it out and it looks (vaguely) like a cue stick...
* Nope, sorry. That's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhon Typhoeus]], as he appears [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001924 in the comic]].
** Ah, so that isn't Lord English. Okay new theory (which is actually old and obvious): Typhoeus may be John's Denizen (as suggested by the MSPA wiki [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Denizens here]])
*** Yes that's confirmed now.
[[WMG: The outer gods didn't have Rose destroy the journals to try and prevent Bec's creation]]
They did it to force DD? to use Dave's copies, to make sure Jade got his Sburb beta discs. That also explains why they didn't do it in the BadFuture: With John dead, the beta discs were useless to her and the paradox of her helping Dave enter was eaten for breakfast.
* No they genuinely tried it. And did the above. At the same time. It's confusing.
[[WMG: Lord English and Jack Noir are the same being]]
The latest flash game seems to hint heavily toward this direction, since Karkat mentions that he recognized "the demon" that destroyed their universe. Therefore, it's highly probable that "Lord English" is in fact the fully prototyped version of Jack Noir from the kids' session, who somehow ended up being warped into the trolls' session by the rift. The last prototyping (especially if Bec ends up being prototyped) is likely to elevate Noir's power level to GameBreaker territory.
** As of "[s] Jade: Enter," theory [[strike:completely confirmed]] [[http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1690617240 officially inconclusive]]
*** As of later developments; probably not!
[[WMG: The very final page of the comic is named "[S] Kids: Ascend"]]
"A realm where four will gather, the Heir of Breath and Seer of Light, the Knight of Time and Witch of Space, and together they will Ascend." Sure, Rose is actively fighting against this now, and even the other kids don't seem particularly enthusiastic about it, but... hey, all the best stuff in the comic have come from when the pages are called "Ascend," and it's the very purpose of the game, so...?
* WMG Number two: The final page will be named "[S]Sburb:End" of "[S]Homestuck:End" or similar.
** "[S]John:Reunite with loving wife and daughter".
* The last page will be epilogue so probably not ascend. Considering they'll be grandparents by then.
* Probably Jossed. All four kids are God Tier already.
[[WMG: There is a wrong number of players in one or both Sburb sessions]]
This is actually two WMG, but mostly consist in the idea that the number of players in the Sburb/Sgrub games is “wrong”, causing the problems that the characters face, it can be either just the Kids game or the Trolls game, or both.
!!The Kids number of players is two short
This caused the glitchs in the game, among other things the shorter spam of time before reckoning and mixed roles (for example the Page of Breath and the Heir of Void are combined in the Heir of Breath A.K.A. John), causing the game malfuction
* This doesn't even make sense. Titles aren't set in stone.
!!The Troll numbers of players is too short
The ArcNumber is Four-Thirteen, Four kids and Thirteen trolls, but they are missing one troll or maybe a extra player that might appear later that will join the game, but connect itself with the trolls session.
* The Troll's ArcNumber is Six-Twelve. There were twelve six-solar sweep old trolls.
!!The Troll number of players is too big
It can be assumed that more prototypes = more powers to the Black Royals, making the almost impossible game for the trolls. This caused the game too "crash"
* No their predecessors had 48. The trolls were just bitching.
[[WMG: The Noble Circle of Horrorterrors were the players that created the Troll universe]]
They became its gods, put Gl'bgolyb on one planet to act as an emissary (maybe even on some more planets?), and somehow learned to contact Rose in the kids' session as well.
[[WMG: Skipper Plumbthroat is a subconscious representation of Grandpa Harley.]]
Also posted on the MSPA IDE/Theory thread. After Grandpa Harley learned how scared Jade is/was/will be (depending on what part of the timeline we's in) of the Gods of the Furthest Ring, he decides to voyage behind the Veil and teach them a lesson or two. Though the Horrorterrors see him as a pathetic, weak mortal with his own problems (as exaggerated by Plumbthroat), they still see him as a threat. He's just that badass.
* That is so awesome that I want it to be true.
** He's apparently the representation of whatever's killing the horrorterrors which is probably Jack.
[[WMG: Lord English actually doesn't fit his Cairo Overcoat]]
This is more misdirection from Hussie. The question is, is the coat too big, or is the coat [[EldritchAbomination too small?]]
[[WMG: It is not Vriska's fault that Bec prototyped himself.]]
The point is moot whether or not Vriska stopped John from prototyping one of the dolls. Bec would've still prototyped himself in order to save Jade and/or the planet Earth. Really, it's Sburb's fault for giving Jade a ridiculously hard entry item and for sending such a huge meteor Earth's way.
* At the same time, everyone will still blame her.
** Haha no it is her fault entirely. Alpha timeline shit aside, she caused it.
[[WMG: Dad is the result of combing the DNA/ectoplasm slime of Bro and Grandpa Harley]]
* Either that or Nana Egbert and Bro. Because the whole relationship stuff wasn't messed up as it was.
** Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of [[MarkTwain Colonel Sassacre]] and Creator/BillCosby.
** SLIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS GOODNIGHT. He is genuinely Nanna's son.
[[WMG: The group will defeat Lord English by prototyping nanna with David's [[JokeWeapon Sord]]]]
Because this would be hilarious and ironic.
* Can't triple prototype.
[[WMG: Vriska will try to steal Clover's luck]]
Since Clover's so lucky, this doesn't work. Well, unless Vriska is so lucky by that point, that it's guaranteed to work. Or they're both equally lucky, causing a paradox.
* They don't even know the other exists. And she's DEAD.
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
[[WMG: The theoretical Ophiuchus troll is Rose.]]
Specifically, the troll version of Rose that Kanaya imagines while reading the walkthrough. The callsign for this hypothetical troll is UU, using Uracil to fit with the genetic ThemeNaming; Uracil replaces Thymine in RNA, so TT = UU.
* Probably not, there is no UU yet.
* And when there was, she was nothing like this.
[[WMG: The thirteenth Troll is Hussie himself]]
Because so far he's done more trolling than the other 12 trolls put together.
* 13th doesn't exist as of current canon.
[[WMG: Feferi doesn't interact much with Nepeta because she is afraid of cats]]
She is, after all, practically a fish.
[[WMG: We have already seen Lord English]]
Its [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002756 this]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002757 thing]]. Or at least a statue of him... Or a stuffed severed tentacle that was part of him... straighten it out and it looks (vaguely) like a cue stick...
* Nope, sorry. That's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhon Typhoeus]], as he appears [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001924 in the comic]].
** Ah, so that isn't Lord English. Okay new theory (which is actually old and obvious): Typhoeus may be John's Denizen (as suggested by the MSPA wiki [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Denizens here]])
*** Yes that's confirmed now.
[[WMG: The outer gods didn't have Rose destroy the journals to try and prevent Bec's creation]]
They did it to force DD? to use Dave's copies, to make sure Jade got his Sburb beta discs. That also explains why they didn't do it in the BadFuture: With John dead, the beta discs were useless to her and the paradox of her helping Dave enter was eaten for breakfast.
* No they genuinely tried it. And did the above. At the same time. It's confusing.
[[WMG: Lord English and Jack Noir are the same being]]
The latest flash game seems to hint heavily toward this direction, since Karkat mentions that he recognized "the demon" that destroyed their universe. Therefore, it's highly probable that "Lord English" is in fact the fully prototyped version of Jack Noir from the kids' session, who somehow ended up being warped into the trolls' session by the rift. The last prototyping (especially if Bec ends up being prototyped) is likely to elevate Noir's power level to GameBreaker territory.
** As of "[s] Jade: Enter," theory [[strike:completely confirmed]] [[http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1690617240 officially inconclusive]]
*** As of later developments; probably not!
[[WMG: The very final page of the comic is named "[S] Kids: Ascend"]]
"A realm where four will gather, the Heir of Breath and Seer of Light, the Knight of Time and Witch of Space, and together they will Ascend." Sure, Rose is actively fighting against this now, and even the other kids don't seem particularly enthusiastic about it, but... hey, all the best stuff in the comic have come from when the pages are called "Ascend," and it's the very purpose of the game, so...?
* WMG Number two: The final page will be named "[S]Sburb:End" of "[S]Homestuck:End" or similar.
** "[S]John:Reunite with loving wife and daughter".
* The last page will be epilogue so probably not ascend. Considering they'll be grandparents by then.
* Probably Jossed. All four kids are God Tier already.
[[WMG: There is a wrong number of players in one or both Sburb sessions]]
This is actually two WMG, but mostly consist in the idea that the number of players in the Sburb/Sgrub games is “wrong”, causing the problems that the characters face, it can be either just the Kids game or the Trolls game, or both.
!!The Kids number of players is two short
This caused the glitchs in the game, among other things the shorter spam of time before reckoning and mixed roles (for example the Page of Breath and the Heir of Void are combined in the Heir of Breath A.K.A. John), causing the game malfuction
* This doesn't even make sense. Titles aren't set in stone.
!!The Troll numbers of players is too short
The ArcNumber is Four-Thirteen, Four kids and Thirteen trolls, but they are missing one troll or maybe a extra player that might appear later that will join the game, but connect itself with the trolls session.
* The Troll's ArcNumber is Six-Twelve. There were twelve six-solar sweep old trolls.
!!The Troll number of players is too big
It can be assumed that more prototypes = more powers to the Black Royals, making the almost impossible game for the trolls. This caused the game too "crash"
* No their predecessors had 48. The trolls were just bitching.
[[WMG: The Noble Circle of Horrorterrors were the players that created the Troll universe]]
They became its gods, put Gl'bgolyb on one planet to act as an emissary (maybe even on some more planets?), and somehow learned to contact Rose in the kids' session as well.
[[WMG: Skipper Plumbthroat is a subconscious representation of Grandpa Harley.]]
Also posted on the MSPA IDE/Theory thread. After Grandpa Harley learned how scared Jade is/was/will be (depending on what part of the timeline we's in) of the Gods of the Furthest Ring, he decides to voyage behind the Veil and teach them a lesson or two. Though the Horrorterrors see him as a pathetic, weak mortal with his own problems (as exaggerated by Plumbthroat), they still see him as a threat. He's just that badass.
* That is so awesome that I want it to be true.
** He's apparently the representation of whatever's killing the horrorterrors which is probably Jack.
[[WMG: Lord English actually doesn't fit his Cairo Overcoat]]
This is more misdirection from Hussie. The question is, is the coat too big, or is the coat [[EldritchAbomination too small?]]
[[WMG: It is not Vriska's fault that Bec prototyped himself.]]
The point is moot whether or not Vriska stopped John from prototyping one of the dolls. Bec would've still prototyped himself in order to save Jade and/or the planet Earth. Really, it's Sburb's fault for giving Jade a ridiculously hard entry item and for sending such a huge meteor Earth's way.
* At the same time, everyone will still blame her.
** Haha no it is her fault entirely. Alpha timeline shit aside, she caused it.
[[WMG: Dad is the result of combing the DNA/ectoplasm slime of Bro and Grandpa Harley]]
* Either that or Nana Egbert and Bro. Because the whole relationship stuff wasn't messed up as it was.
** Alternatively, he is derived from the DNA of [[MarkTwain Colonel Sassacre]] and Creator/BillCosby.
** SLIME DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS GOODNIGHT. He is genuinely Nanna's son.
[[WMG: The group will defeat Lord English by prototyping nanna with David's [[JokeWeapon Sord]]]]
Because this would be hilarious and ironic.
* Can't triple prototype.
[[WMG: Vriska will try to steal Clover's luck]]
Since Clover's so lucky, this doesn't work. Well, unless Vriska is so lucky by that point, that it's guaranteed to work. Or they're both equally lucky, causing a paradox.
* They don't even know the other exists. And she's DEAD.
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[[WMG: All this time travel is eventually going to lead to Dave aging to a noticeable degree.]]
We see Dave skipping ahead entire hours of his life and a time, doing this multiple times and sometimes skipping what might be half a day in a matter of seconds. It seems convenient now but if he does this on such a regular basis as he is right now he might end up years older than the other kids by the time the comic is over.
* He's only aged 2 days compared to the rest of the Kids before he stopped time looping.
[[WMG: Andrew Hussie is Dave]]
The real events of the story began on April 13th 20''12''. Dave/Hussie is retelling the story of the Kids and Trolls to prepare civilization for the Reckoning, allowing many more people to survive, and he's making it a damn good story so that it gets spread around and is remembered well.
* This is really sad. People I know have genuinely believed this. It's just a story guys.
[[WMG: No ships will be made canon]]
Hussie will continue to ship tease all the way until the end, but we'll never get any definitive answers.
* WK/WQ and Dad/Mom are canon.
[[WMG: Vriska's gambling addiction has reached Omnicidal Level]]
It is clear that Vriska's gambling problem, mixed with own insecurity, will eventually lead to the destruction of all reality. The latest comics showing that she used her powers to mind control the Courtyard Droll of the Kid's session to indirectly influence the the Draconian Dignitary to create Becquerel in the first place is pretty damning evidence of her own slipping sanity. The trigger of this is inconsequential, but this further proof that that she is directly responsible for Bec Noir/Jacquerel in the first place and consequentially for the Scratch. The reason? Like [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Magus wanting to summon Lavos]], her only goal is to defeat Jacquerel, but unlike Magus, who did it for revenge, Vriska's only doing for petty glory and to boost her own long deteriorated self-esteem.
[[WMG:The Felt, as an orchestra, perform the Music of the Spheres, relating to perfect harmony; kill the Felt, kill the harmony, kill the order, as desired by the chaotic forces known as HorrorTerrors/Squiddles.]]
Two things behind this assumption-one, the Felt soundtrack, and two, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis this wiki entry]] which has astrology as a link in the upper-right. Now, considering the Trolls are based around the Zodiac, and they're important, this will become further explored in a future act, if Hussie decides to choose so. Plus, when they are explored, the Felt soundtrack will be played in flashes forward and backwards relative to the act.
* The Felt album is dubiously non-canon. In canon proper, the Felt are really just a bunch of thugs.
We see Dave skipping ahead entire hours of his life and a time, doing this multiple times and sometimes skipping what might be half a day in a matter of seconds. It seems convenient now but if he does this on such a regular basis as he is right now he might end up years older than the other kids by the time the comic is over.
* He's only aged 2 days compared to the rest of the Kids before he stopped time looping.
[[WMG: Andrew Hussie is Dave]]
The real events of the story began on April 13th 20''12''. Dave/Hussie is retelling the story of the Kids and Trolls to prepare civilization for the Reckoning, allowing many more people to survive, and he's making it a damn good story so that it gets spread around and is remembered well.
* This is really sad. People I know have genuinely believed this. It's just a story guys.
[[WMG: No ships will be made canon]]
Hussie will continue to ship tease all the way until the end, but we'll never get any definitive answers.
* WK/WQ and Dad/Mom are canon.
[[WMG: Vriska's gambling addiction has reached Omnicidal Level]]
It is clear that Vriska's gambling problem, mixed with own insecurity, will eventually lead to the destruction of all reality. The latest comics showing that she used her powers to mind control the Courtyard Droll of the Kid's session to indirectly influence the the Draconian Dignitary to create Becquerel in the first place is pretty damning evidence of her own slipping sanity. The trigger of this is inconsequential, but this further proof that that she is directly responsible for Bec Noir/Jacquerel in the first place and consequentially for the Scratch. The reason? Like [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Magus wanting to summon Lavos]], her only goal is to defeat Jacquerel, but unlike Magus, who did it for revenge, Vriska's only doing for petty glory and to boost her own long deteriorated self-esteem.
[[WMG:The Felt, as an orchestra, perform the Music of the Spheres, relating to perfect harmony; kill the Felt, kill the harmony, kill the order, as desired by the chaotic forces known as HorrorTerrors/Squiddles.]]
Two things behind this assumption-one, the Felt soundtrack, and two, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis this wiki entry]] which has astrology as a link in the upper-right. Now, considering the Trolls are based around the Zodiac, and they're important, this will become further explored in a future act, if Hussie decides to choose so. Plus, when they are explored, the Felt soundtrack will be played in flashes forward and backwards relative to the act.
* The Felt album is dubiously non-canon. In canon proper, the Felt are really just a bunch of thugs.
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[[WMG: Lord English (or Vriska?) caused John's house to be built without a garage]]
If John's house had a garage, his dad would have parked in it. To my knowledge, people usually leave their cars unlocked when they're in a garage. Therefore, if John's house had a garage, he would have had the bunny the whole time, meaning Jack couldn't take power, the Trolls' session wouldn't have broken, and everything would generally have gone better. Therefore, it is possible that a being of power managed to abuse weird time shit to ensure their own existence, simply by subconciously convincing an architect that garages were just a fad.
* Maybe John's garage just was full of shit like a lot of peoples.
[[WMG: The Royal Derringer is alchemized from the LEGENDARY PIECE OF SHIT, or forged from it by Hephaestus]]
I have no idea what Dave would alchemize for it, though... Perhaps a copy of Lord of the Rings?
* It's native to the mythologies of Sburb and Lohac, and it's the reforged Caledfwlch.
[[WMG: Jade's grandson is part Troll]]
Cause remember, if Dave and Jade have a kid, and then that kid and John and Rose's kid have a kid, that'll be incest. With the trolls, there will much more room for reproduction, and things could go fine for a couple generations afterwords. Perhaps Jade ''will'' hook up with Tavros? Also...
* Elaborating: first-generation offspring would be double-first cousins.
* His interest in wrestling John seems to point towards [[CrackPairing Equius.]]
* Judging by recent conversations...Karkat?
** Equius is dead, Tavros is dead, so it really just remains to be seen.
* Jossed by Act 6
[[WMG: All the kids will contact their respective human-troll grandchildren.]]
GeodesicCast and whatnot.
* Remains to be seen still
* Extremely doubtful as of Act 6.
[[WMG: Ms. Paint and Cal represent actual people in Adnrew Hussie's life.]]
Ms. Paint represents either his girlfriend and/or the combined positive attributes of every single girlfriend he ever had in his entire life. Cal, on the otherhand, represents someone he truly hates in real life and/or the combined negative attribute of every person he has ever met.
* Ms. Paint was a character that was thrown in to placate Ryan North and that the fandom ran with. Make of that what you will.
[[WMG: Vriska and Snowman are somehow connected (or the same person)]]
Both have an 8 motif, and both are described by those who know them as BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH
** Vriska's Exile is the Black Queen, who becomes Snowman. So...confirmed?
*** Similarities yes, but they already existed.
[[WMG: Serenity is Jade]]
The recently translated Morse Code messages from Serenity bring some interesting parallels to light... and we've seen Vriska...
* No she's not; Serenity has probably already been exiled from the game. Besides Serenity isn't much like Jade at all.
[[WMG: Dream Jade's friends were Tavros, Feferi, and Kanaya.]]
And maybe Bro was keeping an eye on them. Don't you think they would all be happy together? They all needed it...*sniff sniff*. Sorry, there's SandInMyEyes...
* They were probably the dead alternates of the Kids. Besides, Bro wouldn't appear in dream bubbles.
[[WMG: The influence of Bec Noir on the Trolls is driving them all slowly insane.]]
Think about it- Eridan was always the IneffectualSympatheticVillain, until he arrived in the lab, and his emotional failings became too much to bear in Bec's thrall, creating pure rage that made him kill Feferi, Kanaya and the Matriorb. Gamzee was angry for the first time when he went into the lab, and then we get him telling us through pesterlog that TC: I AM GOING TO MOTHERFUCKING KILL ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS. Are they all insane?
** This is probably likely to be jossed. They also lack sopor slime, which except for a couple of the trolls, was something they always slept in. Gamzee's FaceHeelTurn is directly related to this, as he brings up the dealings of his ancient ancestors, which the slime is meant to suppress.
*** Not to mention all of the high bloods are prone to mental instability; Feferi and Equius mention how lucky they are to have avoided that.
[[WMG: Gamzee's cuts at zero hour weren't made by cat claws...]]
This trooper thinks the cuts might have been made by a sickle. Meaning there must have been a fight between him and Karkat, and considering Gamzee's state of mind right now, I doubt he would let Karkat live if he won.
* No they were directly caused on panel by Nepeta's claws.
[[WMG: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529 That]] wasn't Future Terezi, but Future Gamzee]]
Presuming he just pilfered Terezi's glasses [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005327 here.]]
[[WMG: Nepeta's dream will have a consequence in reality]]
Aradia ''is'' going to see Equius soon.
However, Aradia presumably still has the power to hear spirits, so she might just see Equius's ghost. Then again, Valentine's Day is coming up, and Andrew is suspiciously not referring to Aradia in his Formspring when he talks about Equius being a one-note gag character, so who knows?
* Aradia is hanging around dreambubbles. She hasn't been seen with Equius yet.
[[WMG: Vriska is an UnreliableExpositor]]
At least about SGRUB, at any rate. We're going to get a later revelation that if the troll's ''did'' follow their instincts and kill one another they would have quickly became a null session. Or that if they did follow their instincts they would actually learn to overcome them. Especially since most of the troll's current problems come from things they DIDN'T deal with in their session.
* Vriska's idea was incorrect, and that was simply part of her own struggle to find her identity.
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[[WMG: The Royal Derringer is alchemized from the LEGENDARY PIECE OF SHIT, or forged from it by Hephaestus]]
I have no idea what Dave would alchemize for it, though... Perhaps a copy of Lord of the Rings?
* It's native to the mythologies of Sburb and Lohac, and it's the reforged Caledfwlch.
[[WMG: Jade's grandson is part Troll]]
Cause remember, if Dave and Jade have a kid, and then that kid and John and Rose's kid have a kid, that'll be incest. With the trolls, there will much more room for reproduction, and things could go fine for a couple generations afterwords. Perhaps Jade ''will'' hook up with Tavros? Also...
* Elaborating: first-generation offspring would be double-first cousins.
* His interest in wrestling John seems to point towards [[CrackPairing Equius.]]
* Judging by recent conversations...Karkat?
** Equius is dead, Tavros is dead, so it really just remains to be seen.
* Jossed by Act 6
[[WMG: All the kids will contact their respective human-troll grandchildren.]]
GeodesicCast and whatnot.
* Remains to be seen still
* Extremely doubtful as of Act 6.
[[WMG: Ms. Paint and Cal represent actual people in Adnrew Hussie's life.]]
Ms. Paint represents either his girlfriend and/or the combined positive attributes of every single girlfriend he ever had in his entire life. Cal, on the otherhand, represents someone he truly hates in real life and/or the combined negative attribute of every person he has ever met.
* Ms. Paint was a character that was thrown in to placate Ryan North and that the fandom ran with. Make of that what you will.
[[WMG: Vriska and Snowman are somehow connected (or the same person)]]
Both have an 8 motif, and both are described by those who know them as BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH
** Vriska's Exile is the Black Queen, who becomes Snowman. So...confirmed?
*** Similarities yes, but they already existed.
[[WMG: Serenity is Jade]]
The recently translated Morse Code messages from Serenity bring some interesting parallels to light... and we've seen Vriska...
* No she's not; Serenity has probably already been exiled from the game. Besides Serenity isn't much like Jade at all.
[[WMG: Dream Jade's friends were Tavros, Feferi, and Kanaya.]]
And maybe Bro was keeping an eye on them. Don't you think they would all be happy together? They all needed it...*sniff sniff*. Sorry, there's SandInMyEyes...
* They were probably the dead alternates of the Kids. Besides, Bro wouldn't appear in dream bubbles.
[[WMG: The influence of Bec Noir on the Trolls is driving them all slowly insane.]]
Think about it- Eridan was always the IneffectualSympatheticVillain, until he arrived in the lab, and his emotional failings became too much to bear in Bec's thrall, creating pure rage that made him kill Feferi, Kanaya and the Matriorb. Gamzee was angry for the first time when he went into the lab, and then we get him telling us through pesterlog that TC: I AM GOING TO MOTHERFUCKING KILL ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS. Are they all insane?
** This is probably likely to be jossed. They also lack sopor slime, which except for a couple of the trolls, was something they always slept in. Gamzee's FaceHeelTurn is directly related to this, as he brings up the dealings of his ancient ancestors, which the slime is meant to suppress.
*** Not to mention all of the high bloods are prone to mental instability; Feferi and Equius mention how lucky they are to have avoided that.
[[WMG: Gamzee's cuts at zero hour weren't made by cat claws...]]
This trooper thinks the cuts might have been made by a sickle. Meaning there must have been a fight between him and Karkat, and considering Gamzee's state of mind right now, I doubt he would let Karkat live if he won.
* No they were directly caused on panel by Nepeta's claws.
[[WMG: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529 That]] wasn't Future Terezi, but Future Gamzee]]
Presuming he just pilfered Terezi's glasses [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005327 here.]]
[[WMG: Nepeta's dream will have a consequence in reality]]
Aradia ''is'' going to see Equius soon.
However, Aradia presumably still has the power to hear spirits, so she might just see Equius's ghost. Then again, Valentine's Day is coming up, and Andrew is suspiciously not referring to Aradia in his Formspring when he talks about Equius being a one-note gag character, so who knows?
* Aradia is hanging around dreambubbles. She hasn't been seen with Equius yet.
[[WMG: Vriska is an UnreliableExpositor]]
At least about SGRUB, at any rate. We're going to get a later revelation that if the troll's ''did'' follow their instincts and kill one another they would have quickly became a null session. Or that if they did follow their instincts they would actually learn to overcome them. Especially since most of the troll's current problems come from things they DIDN'T deal with in their session.
* Vriska's idea was incorrect, and that was simply part of her own struggle to find her identity.
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[[WMG: Rose will use the Magnetic Wodka to defeat Gamzee.]]
"You... You ''guess'' this could be useful?"
This ChekhovsGun has been waiting to fire for far too long. And we all know that [[{{Juggalo}} Juggalos]] and magnets don't mix.
* Rose's land is completely abandoned by everyone. Gamzee was taken down by Karkat.
[[WMG: Jadesprite and Jack Noir will cancel each other out.]]
According to Vriska, Becquerel is unable to go against Derse agents. Jadesprite is partially Becquerel due to prototyping, so she couldn't hurt Jack. Similarly, Jack cannot kill Jade due to Bec's prototyping.
* [[InsaneTrollLogic So just throw them against each other and watch them explode.]]
* However, Jack is probably a good deal more powerful since he has the abilities of having four tiers (well, technically five since Jaspersprite was double prototyped before entering the medium) of prototyping on top of his first guardian powers versus Jadesprites two prototype tiers and first guardian powers. But still neither would be able to kill the other.
[[WMG: Trolls & Ancestors]]
Warning! This one is long. Let's start with the basics first.
1. Trolls procreate by mixing genetic material together and having a surrogate Mother Grub give birth to the children.
2. There are two classes of procreation pairings. Caliginous and Flushed. Trolls must submit material for both.
3. The feelings that cause these pairing provide stronger genetic matches and have a better chance of producing an offspring.
These are the simple biological facts we learned. Now one last fact: A troll has one ancestor they are MOST like as they share the MOST amount of DNA.
But one thing these facts tell us though, is that troll genetic material (like ours) is one half of the whole. There needs to be (at least) two parents (in genetic terms). Now the problem: The Ancestors and the Trolls we know were created through ectobiology. Like the kids and guardians, I think that Karkat used the paradox slime of the Ancestors to first create their respective paradox clones. That's the easy part. Now the paradox slime is combined in a tank. Similar to kids, but with one exception. There is only one tank, not one for each pairing. Because this is how Troll biology works. The slurry thing.
Now assume this is true (even though I'm not 100% sure that it is up til this point). In the slurry, the genetic pairs form into twelve pairs (6 Flushed and 6 Caliginous). So each Ancestor has their biological material mixed up in two young Trolls (one from a flushed pairing and one from a caliginous pairing). I would also guess it would form a sort of giant daisy chain rather that several smaller daisy chains, just because it fits well.
I think this also explains some of the slight differences between the Trolls and their Ancestors.
Example 1: Vriska isn't quite up to the level of villainy as Mindfang; she seems a little bit too dramatic and a few of her plans prior to entering SGRUB are sort of a joke. Now what if Vriska was caused by the genetic material of Mindfang and Dualscar's Caliginous relationship. While the bulk of Vriska comes from Mindfang, but maybe her BigHam side comes from Dualscar.
Example 2: Feferi's Ancestor is the Condesce. Feferi's a lot more accepting and wants to abolish the caste system to a certain extent. She almost wants to bring things to the way they were prior to the scratch. This may be because of the major Black Feelings toward the highbloods that the Suffer had on his death mixed his gentic material with the Condesce's genetic material.
Before your say that Karkat is the Suffer's descendant, remember I pointed out that each Ancestor has two descendants (one Flushed and one Caliginous). So yeah that still works. And this also doesn't sink any ships due to genetic relationships, it isn't called an incestuous slurry for nothing, folks. The troll takes on primary traits (blood color, appearance, basic personalities) from one parent and secondary traits from the other.
* Irrelevant anyways; the Ancestors are the genetic children of the Trolls and their Ectobiology lab prominently showed 2 tubes which means this six timing stuff can't possibly be true.
** It still could be, but instead of a do-decagon like I was imagining it would be two hexagons. Still works in the case of two tubes for combination.
** And I don't remember seeing a panel that outright states in which order the Ancestors and Trolls were actually made. A key point about the Ancestors' scratch dealt with the fact: they weren't playing the session they were created in and thus always destined to scratch the game (Doc Scratch mentions this being the Glitch that marks Lord English's target, his calling card). So maybe the Ancestors were always meant to be the Ancestors and therefore the ones that appearified for the paradox slime. Though really this is speculation based on the facts, my wild guess was the fact that 6 of the trolls were born from redrom feelings and the other 6 from blackrom whether this refers to the Ancestors or Trolls doesn't really matter it just would have made my guess a paragraph longer to explain that possible wrinkle.
[[WMG: The scratch will switch the personality of the kids.]]
Seeing as it works as a reset button and it will change conditions [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005529 as said here]] this would be logical if Hussie decides to make it as well, and the fandom will love it or hate it.
[[WMG: Jade's Grandson is descended in some way from both Jade and Dave, and is also Lord English]]
Lord English's Greatcoat is made of felt plush by the look of it, and the symbol near the lapel is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005128 of an eight ball]] that is cracked in the same manner as the record on Dave's clothes. We only see a magic eight ball in Jade's room to boot. From the hints we can see in the letter Jade's supposed grandson gave to John, with green meaning to grow and red meaning to shrink. Colours associated with Jade and Dave, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005575 Jade who's boundless energy has been known to make things literally grow, and Dave, who's profuse ego has constantly been shrinking since the beginning of the game.]]
* That eight ball is actually the one on Dave's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003735 Felt Duds]] (Which... He apparently managed to make at some point, since doomed!Dave was wearing them?) It's not the first time Hussie has self-inserted dressed as one or more of his characters.
** Lord English is a time traveling demon from beyond any one universe. Why would he be the son of a player? Beyond that, English has only ever shown or implied time powers, which has no connection to Jade.
* Jossed, despite her "grandson" being named Jake ''English''.
[[WMG: Jaspers went to the future]]
Rose couldn't find Jaspers during the week he was missing, which means he ''didn't exist'' during that time, which means he must have been Appearified to years in the future (but not many), where he aids the future nomads, but ends up being killed, his dying wish being to be Sendificated back to Rose.
* He went to some other girl and was her pet for a while. Not the future though because he probably would've mentioned the sand.
** He went to Roxy.
[[WMG: The Scratch didn't simply reset the kids' universe, it loaded an imperfect backup copy into the session's space]]
How can the universe be reset when it's been exploded by Bec Noir, and that explosion used as part of THE TUMOR bomb? Because it wasn't. The original universe was completely destroyed. But since the SBURB session itself was in its own pocket dimension, the Scratch was used to cannibalize the universe creating power of that version of Skaia into a copy of the now destroyed kids' universe. All Skaia had were imprints of the original universe from the minds of the kids, which is why such weird changes have occurred, like Betty Crocker becoming even more prominent, as it was such a strong impression in John's head.
* The universes and the sessions responsible or spawned from them are independent (factors of 'real space' whereas sessions are part of Paradox Space). Jade brought most of the Kid's session with her as she escaped between fourth walls, while in her miniature planet collection the scratch completed itself.
** Outright Jossed by later in Act 6. Skaia created the post-Scratch session by changing the destination of the meteors.
[[WMG: The SBURB games are counting down.]]
* The special number in the Troll's game? 612. 6+1+2= 9. The Kid's game? 413. 4+1+3= 8. My guess is, there can only be 7 games after this.
** [[http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/mobius-trip-and-hadron-kaleido 214?]]
** Alpha is 11 11 11 or 2X3 either way thats 6 so maybe it's not exactly in order, what with the timey-whimey and whatnot.
*** Unless the 7th game was the one that "created" the Alpha session. At least, we know UU is or has been in a session of her own.
*** Jossed by UU's exposition; after the Alpha Session, trolls go on to play Sburb many more times.
[[WMG: The Angel's from Eridan's planets served no actual purpose.]]
They were more like [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda cuccos]].
* They tied into his MythArc but he perverted it.
* They may have been his consorts.
** Consorts have always been reptiles and much more different from the way the angels are presented. They seem to be like the fireflies in the Land of Wind and Shade, or the brains in the Land of Brains and Fire.
[[WMG: The horrorterrors are actually Bilious Slick.]]
That is to say, they are universes created by past sessions. Every session of SBURB is in fact a Horrorterror spore (or something) and while Bilious looks AT FIRST to be a frog..... seriously, how does a frog become the universe?
* He contains the universe inside himself.
* This would explain what's killing them.
** Ah yes the progenitor frog natural predator of the tentacled space horror. Actually wait this being Homestuck that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps Skipper Plumbthroat is the Kid's frog?
* B. Slick lives in the remains of Skaia, so he seems to be the exact opposite of what this WMG describes.
[[WMG: LightIsNotGood, DarkIsNotEvil]]
Aside from attempting to humanely imprison John's father, the imps mostly want to use his backyard rides, play with toys, and defend themselves when assaulted with hammers. We've not seen the minions of light yet. We have no reason to assume they're necessarily better, anymore than the white pieces in chess are any more noble or righteous than the black ones.
* It's also been demonstrated by WV, who is almost certainly a Dark Kingdom denizen (or used to be, anyway), that not all the black imps are inherently evil.
* Then there's Rose, the Seer of Light, who dabbles in Black magic. At least one, if not both, apply to her.
* Light is very much good, Prospit at least. There are no minions of Prospit; the players fulfill that role in a sense. Dark however is mostly AffablyEvil, but there are some complete monsters there and the higher ups want to destroy reality entirely.
[[WMG: The ultimate result of the Scratch will be a 16-player session with the Kids and the Trolls.]]
Both [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 Future John]] and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004690 Karkat]] have suggested that the Scratch may lead to the Kids and Trolls meeting face-to-face, and [[color:#2ED73A:D]][[color:white:o]][[color:#2ED73A:c Scratch]] says the Scratch [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005529 resets the session.]] The two sessions are already strongly intertwined, so maybe the Scratch will just finish the job and combine them.
* "You would eventually come to realize that the two teams were playing in the same session all along" has yet to be called back, you just know it's coming.
** Why would it? It had all the importance it needed when it was first brought up.
* Even with the post-Scratch characters, the only way for this to work out is for one of Aradia and ghost!Sollux to rejoin the others somehow, both if UU doesn't count (unless one of the dead trolls gets revived somehow).
** Jossed though; every indication of the mythology of the Alpha Session revolves around 8 players.
[[WMG: In the combined session mentioned above, the Kids and the Trolls will be competing with each other.]]
Vriska says [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005368 here]] that they were split up into two teams so that they'd compete against each other, and the reason they failed was because they worked together. A different species would make a better enemy than other Trolls, and if Karkat doesn't have his memories from the original timeline, he wouldn't want to work with the Kids anyway. It'd probably be good for the Kids too, since we've seen how they excel under pressure and the Trolls can't possibly be worse than Jack Noir.
* Altenatively, it'll be the Kids, Trolls, the Exile, Jack Noir and the inhabitants of Derse and Prospit vs. the Felt, D c Scratch and L[]rd English. And it'll be awesome.
** There'd be no reason to, as in the new universe Trolls would have grown up on the relative paradise planet of Earth. With therapists.
*** And that would be like eight more chapters which at this point is a genuinely horrifying prospect.
[[WMG: Skaia/SBURB will actively attempt to prevent "winners" from entering their created universe]]
This is likely because having god powered individuals entering newborn realities would cause only destruction, not creation. The psychology of Gods is delved into in the "Be Jack Noir" section, where he thinks "You wonder if it will always be like this. What sort of future does a new god have to look forward to? Will this malaise follow you for eternity? Will you be perpetually tempted to destroy everything you see, knowing that in just a few moments of recklessness, you will be left with nothing else to destroy forever? What will eternity feel like when a single moment of boredom feels like an eternity unto itself?"
Doesn't seem like having Gods directly involved would be very conducive to the maturation of a new Universe.
* None of the players are gods, so much as demigods. Jack isn't one of the kids anyways, he's completely insane and blows up planets for fun.
* You are assuming that the trolls "won". The final boss may not be the final task, the riddle probably is. You know the one they were "too good" to even bother finding out in the first place.
** Except Karkat for some reason but he's being all coy about it.
*** They ''didn't'', because of Karkat's impatience.
"You... You ''guess'' this could be useful?"
This ChekhovsGun has been waiting to fire for far too long. And we all know that [[{{Juggalo}} Juggalos]] and magnets don't mix.
* Rose's land is completely abandoned by everyone. Gamzee was taken down by Karkat.
[[WMG: Jadesprite and Jack Noir will cancel each other out.]]
According to Vriska, Becquerel is unable to go against Derse agents. Jadesprite is partially Becquerel due to prototyping, so she couldn't hurt Jack. Similarly, Jack cannot kill Jade due to Bec's prototyping.
* [[InsaneTrollLogic So just throw them against each other and watch them explode.]]
* However, Jack is probably a good deal more powerful since he has the abilities of having four tiers (well, technically five since Jaspersprite was double prototyped before entering the medium) of prototyping on top of his first guardian powers versus Jadesprites two prototype tiers and first guardian powers. But still neither would be able to kill the other.
[[WMG: Trolls & Ancestors]]
Warning! This one is long. Let's start with the basics first.
1. Trolls procreate by mixing genetic material together and having a surrogate Mother Grub give birth to the children.
2. There are two classes of procreation pairings. Caliginous and Flushed. Trolls must submit material for both.
3. The feelings that cause these pairing provide stronger genetic matches and have a better chance of producing an offspring.
These are the simple biological facts we learned. Now one last fact: A troll has one ancestor they are MOST like as they share the MOST amount of DNA.
But one thing these facts tell us though, is that troll genetic material (like ours) is one half of the whole. There needs to be (at least) two parents (in genetic terms). Now the problem: The Ancestors and the Trolls we know were created through ectobiology. Like the kids and guardians, I think that Karkat used the paradox slime of the Ancestors to first create their respective paradox clones. That's the easy part. Now the paradox slime is combined in a tank. Similar to kids, but with one exception. There is only one tank, not one for each pairing. Because this is how Troll biology works. The slurry thing.
Now assume this is true (even though I'm not 100% sure that it is up til this point). In the slurry, the genetic pairs form into twelve pairs (6 Flushed and 6 Caliginous). So each Ancestor has their biological material mixed up in two young Trolls (one from a flushed pairing and one from a caliginous pairing). I would also guess it would form a sort of giant daisy chain rather that several smaller daisy chains, just because it fits well.
I think this also explains some of the slight differences between the Trolls and their Ancestors.
Example 1: Vriska isn't quite up to the level of villainy as Mindfang; she seems a little bit too dramatic and a few of her plans prior to entering SGRUB are sort of a joke. Now what if Vriska was caused by the genetic material of Mindfang and Dualscar's Caliginous relationship. While the bulk of Vriska comes from Mindfang, but maybe her BigHam side comes from Dualscar.
Example 2: Feferi's Ancestor is the Condesce. Feferi's a lot more accepting and wants to abolish the caste system to a certain extent. She almost wants to bring things to the way they were prior to the scratch. This may be because of the major Black Feelings toward the highbloods that the Suffer had on his death mixed his gentic material with the Condesce's genetic material.
Before your say that Karkat is the Suffer's descendant, remember I pointed out that each Ancestor has two descendants (one Flushed and one Caliginous). So yeah that still works. And this also doesn't sink any ships due to genetic relationships, it isn't called an incestuous slurry for nothing, folks. The troll takes on primary traits (blood color, appearance, basic personalities) from one parent and secondary traits from the other.
* Irrelevant anyways; the Ancestors are the genetic children of the Trolls and their Ectobiology lab prominently showed 2 tubes which means this six timing stuff can't possibly be true.
** It still could be, but instead of a do-decagon like I was imagining it would be two hexagons. Still works in the case of two tubes for combination.
** And I don't remember seeing a panel that outright states in which order the Ancestors and Trolls were actually made. A key point about the Ancestors' scratch dealt with the fact: they weren't playing the session they were created in and thus always destined to scratch the game (Doc Scratch mentions this being the Glitch that marks Lord English's target, his calling card). So maybe the Ancestors were always meant to be the Ancestors and therefore the ones that appearified for the paradox slime. Though really this is speculation based on the facts, my wild guess was the fact that 6 of the trolls were born from redrom feelings and the other 6 from blackrom whether this refers to the Ancestors or Trolls doesn't really matter it just would have made my guess a paragraph longer to explain that possible wrinkle.
[[WMG: The scratch will switch the personality of the kids.]]
Seeing as it works as a reset button and it will change conditions [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005529 as said here]] this would be logical if Hussie decides to make it as well, and the fandom will love it or hate it.
[[WMG: Jade's Grandson is descended in some way from both Jade and Dave, and is also Lord English]]
Lord English's Greatcoat is made of felt plush by the look of it, and the symbol near the lapel is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005128 of an eight ball]] that is cracked in the same manner as the record on Dave's clothes. We only see a magic eight ball in Jade's room to boot. From the hints we can see in the letter Jade's supposed grandson gave to John, with green meaning to grow and red meaning to shrink. Colours associated with Jade and Dave, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005575 Jade who's boundless energy has been known to make things literally grow, and Dave, who's profuse ego has constantly been shrinking since the beginning of the game.]]
* That eight ball is actually the one on Dave's [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003735 Felt Duds]] (Which... He apparently managed to make at some point, since doomed!Dave was wearing them?) It's not the first time Hussie has self-inserted dressed as one or more of his characters.
** Lord English is a time traveling demon from beyond any one universe. Why would he be the son of a player? Beyond that, English has only ever shown or implied time powers, which has no connection to Jade.
* Jossed, despite her "grandson" being named Jake ''English''.
[[WMG: Jaspers went to the future]]
Rose couldn't find Jaspers during the week he was missing, which means he ''didn't exist'' during that time, which means he must have been Appearified to years in the future (but not many), where he aids the future nomads, but ends up being killed, his dying wish being to be Sendificated back to Rose.
* He went to some other girl and was her pet for a while. Not the future though because he probably would've mentioned the sand.
** He went to Roxy.
[[WMG: The Scratch didn't simply reset the kids' universe, it loaded an imperfect backup copy into the session's space]]
How can the universe be reset when it's been exploded by Bec Noir, and that explosion used as part of THE TUMOR bomb? Because it wasn't. The original universe was completely destroyed. But since the SBURB session itself was in its own pocket dimension, the Scratch was used to cannibalize the universe creating power of that version of Skaia into a copy of the now destroyed kids' universe. All Skaia had were imprints of the original universe from the minds of the kids, which is why such weird changes have occurred, like Betty Crocker becoming even more prominent, as it was such a strong impression in John's head.
* The universes and the sessions responsible or spawned from them are independent (factors of 'real space' whereas sessions are part of Paradox Space). Jade brought most of the Kid's session with her as she escaped between fourth walls, while in her miniature planet collection the scratch completed itself.
** Outright Jossed by later in Act 6. Skaia created the post-Scratch session by changing the destination of the meteors.
[[WMG: The SBURB games are counting down.]]
* The special number in the Troll's game? 612. 6+1+2= 9. The Kid's game? 413. 4+1+3= 8. My guess is, there can only be 7 games after this.
** [[http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/mobius-trip-and-hadron-kaleido 214?]]
** Alpha is 11 11 11 or 2X3 either way thats 6 so maybe it's not exactly in order, what with the timey-whimey and whatnot.
*** Unless the 7th game was the one that "created" the Alpha session. At least, we know UU is or has been in a session of her own.
*** Jossed by UU's exposition; after the Alpha Session, trolls go on to play Sburb many more times.
[[WMG: The Angel's from Eridan's planets served no actual purpose.]]
They were more like [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda cuccos]].
* They tied into his MythArc but he perverted it.
* They may have been his consorts.
** Consorts have always been reptiles and much more different from the way the angels are presented. They seem to be like the fireflies in the Land of Wind and Shade, or the brains in the Land of Brains and Fire.
[[WMG: The horrorterrors are actually Bilious Slick.]]
That is to say, they are universes created by past sessions. Every session of SBURB is in fact a Horrorterror spore (or something) and while Bilious looks AT FIRST to be a frog..... seriously, how does a frog become the universe?
* He contains the universe inside himself.
* This would explain what's killing them.
** Ah yes the progenitor frog natural predator of the tentacled space horror. Actually wait this being Homestuck that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps Skipper Plumbthroat is the Kid's frog?
* B. Slick lives in the remains of Skaia, so he seems to be the exact opposite of what this WMG describes.
[[WMG: LightIsNotGood, DarkIsNotEvil]]
Aside from attempting to humanely imprison John's father, the imps mostly want to use his backyard rides, play with toys, and defend themselves when assaulted with hammers. We've not seen the minions of light yet. We have no reason to assume they're necessarily better, anymore than the white pieces in chess are any more noble or righteous than the black ones.
* It's also been demonstrated by WV, who is almost certainly a Dark Kingdom denizen (or used to be, anyway), that not all the black imps are inherently evil.
* Then there's Rose, the Seer of Light, who dabbles in Black magic. At least one, if not both, apply to her.
* Light is very much good, Prospit at least. There are no minions of Prospit; the players fulfill that role in a sense. Dark however is mostly AffablyEvil, but there are some complete monsters there and the higher ups want to destroy reality entirely.
[[WMG: The ultimate result of the Scratch will be a 16-player session with the Kids and the Trolls.]]
Both [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 Future John]] and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004690 Karkat]] have suggested that the Scratch may lead to the Kids and Trolls meeting face-to-face, and [[color:#2ED73A:D]][[color:white:o]][[color:#2ED73A:c Scratch]] says the Scratch [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005529 resets the session.]] The two sessions are already strongly intertwined, so maybe the Scratch will just finish the job and combine them.
* "You would eventually come to realize that the two teams were playing in the same session all along" has yet to be called back, you just know it's coming.
** Why would it? It had all the importance it needed when it was first brought up.
* Even with the post-Scratch characters, the only way for this to work out is for one of Aradia and ghost!Sollux to rejoin the others somehow, both if UU doesn't count (unless one of the dead trolls gets revived somehow).
** Jossed though; every indication of the mythology of the Alpha Session revolves around 8 players.
[[WMG: In the combined session mentioned above, the Kids and the Trolls will be competing with each other.]]
Vriska says [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005368 here]] that they were split up into two teams so that they'd compete against each other, and the reason they failed was because they worked together. A different species would make a better enemy than other Trolls, and if Karkat doesn't have his memories from the original timeline, he wouldn't want to work with the Kids anyway. It'd probably be good for the Kids too, since we've seen how they excel under pressure and the Trolls can't possibly be worse than Jack Noir.
* Altenatively, it'll be the Kids, Trolls, the Exile, Jack Noir and the inhabitants of Derse and Prospit vs. the Felt, D c Scratch and L[]rd English. And it'll be awesome.
** There'd be no reason to, as in the new universe Trolls would have grown up on the relative paradise planet of Earth. With therapists.
*** And that would be like eight more chapters which at this point is a genuinely horrifying prospect.
[[WMG: Skaia/SBURB will actively attempt to prevent "winners" from entering their created universe]]
This is likely because having god powered individuals entering newborn realities would cause only destruction, not creation. The psychology of Gods is delved into in the "Be Jack Noir" section, where he thinks "You wonder if it will always be like this. What sort of future does a new god have to look forward to? Will this malaise follow you for eternity? Will you be perpetually tempted to destroy everything you see, knowing that in just a few moments of recklessness, you will be left with nothing else to destroy forever? What will eternity feel like when a single moment of boredom feels like an eternity unto itself?"
Doesn't seem like having Gods directly involved would be very conducive to the maturation of a new Universe.
* None of the players are gods, so much as demigods. Jack isn't one of the kids anyways, he's completely insane and blows up planets for fun.
* You are assuming that the trolls "won". The final boss may not be the final task, the riddle probably is. You know the one they were "too good" to even bother finding out in the first place.
** Except Karkat for some reason but he's being all coy about it.
*** They ''didn't'', because of Karkat's impatience.
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[[WMG: Jade's Penpal is Jack Noir]]
Okay, this one seems really out there, but I honestly think that The Jade's penpal is none other than Jack Noir himself.
* 1. Jack is shown have intense feelings of love and loyalty towards Jade, to the point he is unable to kill her
* 2. The penpals handwritting is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003855 incredibly Jagged]], perhaps representing Jack's hasty, and violent demenor. (Although, the handwritting on the [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jackdrawsblackqueen.png citation]] looks slightly different)
** Doesn't match his handwriting we've seen in the comic. That's not slightly different, that's ''entirely'' different. J's handwriting mostly matches Vriska's.
* 3. The penpal has a desire to get into a (friendly) fist fight with John. If you recall, Jack seems to loathe the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 "graveyard stuffer"]] with a passion. The mere scent of John, causes Jack Noir succumb to [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 unfathomable bloodtlust]]. (Or at least it does, before he starts thinking about [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005454 dog bones]] and [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005455 Jade]])
* 4. The penpal indicates that he loves to wrestle, though no one really wants to with him. Makes sense because realy, who'd want to werstle someone with the power to warp to wherever they wanted?
* 5. Why would the penpal refer to Jade as "Grandma"? Jack Noir (deep down) is very loyal to Jade. And loyal people respect their elders!
* 6. The penpal signs his name as "J" which could possibly be short for Jack.
Questions:
* 1. Why would Jack succumb to love, and why would he be in the future?
** Okay, remember that fight with Rose? The colosion of the two powers caused Jack to jet ahead into the future by accident, and caused him to lose his memories of being evil.
* 2. Why did the bunny he built turn on his past self?
** It was always meant to protect John, even if he was being harassed by Jack's Past self
* 3. Why was he so adamant on making the bunny?
** Too ensure that John and or his friends had at least a chance at taking on lord english
* The kids don't even know English exists, and there is no conceivable situation in which Jack would consider himself Jade's grandson.
* Jossed, I think. Hasn't it been confirmed that Jake English is Jade's penpal?
** Though the name is very close...
[[WMG: The very last page of Homestuck will be scratched out and unreadable by the damages on disc 2.]]
Dammit, Terezi!
* Weeeell, sorta? Homestuck is broken right now, that's why we brought the disc to someone to get it fixed…
** Yeah, straight up Jossed now, probably because it was a real pain for Andrew to draw the messed up graphics.
[[WMG: The space-time continuum is a recursively bisecting moebius strip.]]
Okay, this one seems really out there, but I honestly think that The Jade's penpal is none other than Jack Noir himself.
* 1. Jack is shown have intense feelings of love and loyalty towards Jade, to the point he is unable to kill her
* 2. The penpals handwritting is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003855 incredibly Jagged]], perhaps representing Jack's hasty, and violent demenor. (Although, the handwritting on the [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jackdrawsblackqueen.png citation]] looks slightly different)
** Doesn't match his handwriting we've seen in the comic. That's not slightly different, that's ''entirely'' different. J's handwriting mostly matches Vriska's.
* 3. The penpal has a desire to get into a (friendly) fist fight with John. If you recall, Jack seems to loathe the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 "graveyard stuffer"]] with a passion. The mere scent of John, causes Jack Noir succumb to [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 unfathomable bloodtlust]]. (Or at least it does, before he starts thinking about [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005454 dog bones]] and [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005455 Jade]])
* 4. The penpal indicates that he loves to wrestle, though no one really wants to with him. Makes sense because realy, who'd want to werstle someone with the power to warp to wherever they wanted?
* 5. Why would the penpal refer to Jade as "Grandma"? Jack Noir (deep down) is very loyal to Jade. And loyal people respect their elders!
* 6. The penpal signs his name as "J" which could possibly be short for Jack.
Questions:
* 1. Why would Jack succumb to love, and why would he be in the future?
** Okay, remember that fight with Rose? The colosion of the two powers caused Jack to jet ahead into the future by accident, and caused him to lose his memories of being evil.
* 2. Why did the bunny he built turn on his past self?
** It was always meant to protect John, even if he was being harassed by Jack's Past self
* 3. Why was he so adamant on making the bunny?
** Too ensure that John and or his friends had at least a chance at taking on lord english
* The kids don't even know English exists, and there is no conceivable situation in which Jack would consider himself Jade's grandson.
* Jossed, I think. Hasn't it been confirmed that Jake English is Jade's penpal?
** Though the name is very close...
[[WMG: The very last page of Homestuck will be scratched out and unreadable by the damages on disc 2.]]
Dammit, Terezi!
* Weeeell, sorta? Homestuck is broken right now, that's why we brought the disc to someone to get it fixed…
** Yeah, straight up Jossed now, probably because it was a real pain for Andrew to draw the messed up graphics.
[[WMG: The space-time continuum is a recursively bisecting moebius strip.]]
to:
Okay, this one seems really out there, but I honestly think that The Jade's penpal is none other than Jack Noir himself.
* 1. Jack is shown have intense feelings of love and loyalty towards Jade, to the point he is unable to kill her
* 2. The penpals handwritting is [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003855 incredibly Jagged]], perhaps representing Jack's hasty, and violent demenor. (Although, the handwritting on the [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jackdrawsblackqueen.png citation]] looks slightly different)
** Doesn't match his handwriting we've seen in the comic. That's not slightly different, that's ''entirely'' different. J's handwriting mostly matches Vriska's.
* 3. The penpal has a desire to get into a (friendly) fist fight with John. If you recall, Jack seems to loathe the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 "graveyard stuffer"]] with a passion. The mere scent of John, causes Jack Noir succumb to [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 unfathomable bloodtlust]]. (Or at least it does, before he starts thinking about [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005454 dog bones]] and [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005455 Jade]])
* 4. The penpal indicates that he loves to wrestle, though no one really wants to with him. Makes sense because realy, who'd want to werstle someone with the power to warp to wherever they wanted?
* 5. Why would the penpal refer to Jade as "Grandma"? Jack Noir (deep down) is very loyal to Jade. And loyal people respect their elders!
* 6. The penpal signs his name as "J" which could possibly be short for Jack.
Questions:
* 1. Why would Jack succumb to love, and why would he be in the future?
** Okay, remember that fight with Rose? The colosion of the two powers caused Jack to jet ahead into the future by accident, and caused him to lose his memories of being evil.
* 2. Why did the bunny he built turn on his past self?
** It was always meant to protect John, even if he was being harassed by Jack's Past self
* 3. Why was he so adamant on making the bunny?
** Too ensure that John and or his friends had at least a chance at taking on lord english
* The kids don't even know English exists, and there is no conceivable situation in which Jack would consider himself Jade's grandson.
* Jossed, I think. Hasn't it been confirmed that Jake English is Jade's penpal?
** Though the name is very close...
[[WMG: The very last page of Homestuck will be scratched out and unreadable by the damages on disc 2.]]
Dammit, Terezi!
* Weeeell, sorta? Homestuck is broken right now, that's why we brought the disc to someone to get it fixed…
** Yeah, straight up Jossed now, probably because it was a real pain for Andrew to draw the messed up graphics.
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[[WMG: The Scratch in the troll's session is caused by a GameBreakingBug.]]
Sgrub, like Sburb, is still in beta, and because no one has ever achieved win conditions before, the bug went undetected until the trolls' playtesting. That it allowed a scourge from a more broken session in was just their bad luck.
Another possible bug; Aradia created many, many paradoxical time-copies of herself to win the battle with. Any one of them would be a doomed timeline, but that many of them in one place necessarily attracts a ''whole lot of doom''. Supporting this is the fact that every troll survived Jack's initial assault, which wiped out all the Aradia copies.
* The fact that it's a beta is unimportant, Sburb only functions as a minimal interface and a portal to the Incipisphere, where the real game is.
* Jossed/confirmed(It's Homestuck this was bound to happen). Are the trolls in beta? No. Were they in beta? unknown but there was a hard reset. Is the scratch caused by a game breaking bug? Yes by Jack interupting their session, yes by Jack being created in the first place by their own actions which they only did because Jack already existed, yes by their session existing at all because of Lord English's meddling and probably also yes because of the kids joining their two sessions after the reset even though that hasn't happened yet. May need new terminology at this point. Jossfirmed? Hussied?
** Jossed in the original WMG though; the bug was ''not'' because Sgrub was flawed.
[[WMG: D c Scratch's goal]]
He's telling Rose how to initiate the Scratch because it will end the universe, allowing L[ ]rd English to enter it. He is already here!
* D c Scratch doesn't lie, as long as we assume we don't have a LyingCreator. He wouldn't lie about the destruction of the universe because he's assured of it's inevitability regardless of what the kids do. Therefore, the Scratch does what he says it does: reset the universe. He admitted that the kids aren't guaranteed to exist in the reboot, so there's no reason not to tell them if it would be completely destroyed. It's not clear why he advises it, though; it surely can't be a condition for L[ ]rd English's appearance. Perhaps he's indirectly pointing them to an escape routine, as he's said there is a possible way they can survive the reboot, but for whatever reason he won't tell them what that is.
** Well, from what I can gather, the whole point of sburb is to have the chosen players beat the black kingdom from destroying Skaia and then have there universe get destroyed by L[]rd English (after the players create another, forming a vicious, neverending cycle of destruction). In the kids session, they did something that wasn't supposed to happen (prototyping Bec) which made their session unwinable. So the reason why Doc Scratch wants them to reset, is so that the session can start all over, and flow the way it was supposed to.
* The Scratch doesn't end the universe, just reset it. Scratch however is manipulating Rose, in ways we have yet to see.
* His goal was actually for her to create the Green Sun.
[[WMG: In addition to resetting the kids' session to some point before they entered the Medium, the Scratch will also reset the trolls' session to before the arrival of Bec Noir.]]
Due to the {{StableTimeLoop}}s relating to the interaction between the kids and the trolls after the arrival of Bec Noir in the trolls' session, undoing events in one timeline will undo their consequences in the other. Bec Noir was able to enter the trolls' session by creating the Rift before the Scratch was activated, and he will escape the reset by fleeing into the Furthest Ring.
* Jossed.
** Jossed by itsself for that matter...as their scratch is what sent Bec Noir to the trolls, ergo it can't also undo his being sent to them...unless they ALSO performed a scratch...
[[WMG: The number of players in a session continues to diminish until the end of the multiverse.]]
Let's run with that implication that there were 48 players in the session that created the trolls' universe (based on their number of astrological signs). So we have:
* 48 -> 12
* 12 -> 4
First a division by 4, then by 3. Now let's pretend that this is enough to establish a pattern. The factor would continue to diminish by one with each subsequent session. This implies, first of all, that there were 240 players in the session before the one that created the trolls' universe (48 x 5 = 240), and 1,440 in the one before that (240 x 6 = 1440)! But second, if we carry this "logic" ''forward'' further, a universe created by a successful (i.e. post-scratch reset) version of the kids' session would have only two players (4 / 2 = 2) - most likely a Hero of Space and a Hero of Time, as speculated above. And after that, another two player session (2 / 1 = 2), with a similar lineup. But... then what? The factor can't go down any further, right? Oh, but it can. The equation to determine the next session would destroy all existence: two, ''divided by zero.''
* The next session will have an infinite number of players. As long as ''n'' is not 0, n/0=∞.
* Wait, no, the next session will have two players: Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. They will play a game of SBAHJ, where they will find out that Sweet Bro is the Bro of Time and Hella Jeff is the Jeff of Space. Sweet Bro's guardian is his mom, Jeff's is Geromy, and the imps will (after an ill-advised prototyping with... I dunno, a stuffed squirrel or some such) take on the form of squirrels that try to steal their game discs. Jeff will dream on Prospit, where Skaia's clouds will show him visions where he is the star (it's him) and he has to challenge the Big Man (the Black King). Meanwhile, Sweet Bro, the Derse dreamer, will fall under the control of the horrorterrors (hot gods) and do their bidding (put... jelly on them. Whatever). Jeff will use the sockkind abstratus, with which he will create....... DISTACTIONS, while Bro will attempt to use both rulerkind and spoonkind but utterly fail to get the hang of either... man, I could go on for hours.
** Or as stated above, the next session will be Mobius and Hadron's, and the corresponding numbers will be 2:14, for reasons both outlined here and listed on (as of this writing) the first WMG on the page.
* Or we could simply say, no probably not. Andrew for instance has left open that other human sessions escaped up to whatever number you feel like, and the rebooted session the Kids will be in will have 8 players via technicality. Extrapolation from 3 points, including one that has only been referenced ''once'' is a bit silly don't you think.
Sgrub, like Sburb, is still in beta, and because no one has ever achieved win conditions before, the bug went undetected until the trolls' playtesting. That it allowed a scourge from a more broken session in was just their bad luck.
Another possible bug; Aradia created many, many paradoxical time-copies of herself to win the battle with. Any one of them would be a doomed timeline, but that many of them in one place necessarily attracts a ''whole lot of doom''. Supporting this is the fact that every troll survived Jack's initial assault, which wiped out all the Aradia copies.
* The fact that it's a beta is unimportant, Sburb only functions as a minimal interface and a portal to the Incipisphere, where the real game is.
* Jossed/confirmed(It's Homestuck this was bound to happen). Are the trolls in beta? No. Were they in beta? unknown but there was a hard reset. Is the scratch caused by a game breaking bug? Yes by Jack interupting their session, yes by Jack being created in the first place by their own actions which they only did because Jack already existed, yes by their session existing at all because of Lord English's meddling and probably also yes because of the kids joining their two sessions after the reset even though that hasn't happened yet. May need new terminology at this point. Jossfirmed? Hussied?
** Jossed in the original WMG though; the bug was ''not'' because Sgrub was flawed.
[[WMG: D c Scratch's goal]]
He's telling Rose how to initiate the Scratch because it will end the universe, allowing L[ ]rd English to enter it. He is already here!
* D c Scratch doesn't lie, as long as we assume we don't have a LyingCreator. He wouldn't lie about the destruction of the universe because he's assured of it's inevitability regardless of what the kids do. Therefore, the Scratch does what he says it does: reset the universe. He admitted that the kids aren't guaranteed to exist in the reboot, so there's no reason not to tell them if it would be completely destroyed. It's not clear why he advises it, though; it surely can't be a condition for L[ ]rd English's appearance. Perhaps he's indirectly pointing them to an escape routine, as he's said there is a possible way they can survive the reboot, but for whatever reason he won't tell them what that is.
** Well, from what I can gather, the whole point of sburb is to have the chosen players beat the black kingdom from destroying Skaia and then have there universe get destroyed by L[]rd English (after the players create another, forming a vicious, neverending cycle of destruction). In the kids session, they did something that wasn't supposed to happen (prototyping Bec) which made their session unwinable. So the reason why Doc Scratch wants them to reset, is so that the session can start all over, and flow the way it was supposed to.
* The Scratch doesn't end the universe, just reset it. Scratch however is manipulating Rose, in ways we have yet to see.
* His goal was actually for her to create the Green Sun.
[[WMG: In addition to resetting the kids' session to some point before they entered the Medium, the Scratch will also reset the trolls' session to before the arrival of Bec Noir.]]
Due to the {{StableTimeLoop}}s relating to the interaction between the kids and the trolls after the arrival of Bec Noir in the trolls' session, undoing events in one timeline will undo their consequences in the other. Bec Noir was able to enter the trolls' session by creating the Rift before the Scratch was activated, and he will escape the reset by fleeing into the Furthest Ring.
* Jossed.
** Jossed by itsself for that matter...as their scratch is what sent Bec Noir to the trolls, ergo it can't also undo his being sent to them...unless they ALSO performed a scratch...
[[WMG: The number of players in a session continues to diminish until the end of the multiverse.]]
Let's run with that implication that there were 48 players in the session that created the trolls' universe (based on their number of astrological signs). So we have:
* 48 -> 12
* 12 -> 4
First a division by 4, then by 3. Now let's pretend that this is enough to establish a pattern. The factor would continue to diminish by one with each subsequent session. This implies, first of all, that there were 240 players in the session before the one that created the trolls' universe (48 x 5 = 240), and 1,440 in the one before that (240 x 6 = 1440)! But second, if we carry this "logic" ''forward'' further, a universe created by a successful (i.e. post-scratch reset) version of the kids' session would have only two players (4 / 2 = 2) - most likely a Hero of Space and a Hero of Time, as speculated above. And after that, another two player session (2 / 1 = 2), with a similar lineup. But... then what? The factor can't go down any further, right? Oh, but it can. The equation to determine the next session would destroy all existence: two, ''divided by zero.''
* The next session will have an infinite number of players. As long as ''n'' is not 0, n/0=∞.
* Wait, no, the next session will have two players: Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. They will play a game of SBAHJ, where they will find out that Sweet Bro is the Bro of Time and Hella Jeff is the Jeff of Space. Sweet Bro's guardian is his mom, Jeff's is Geromy, and the imps will (after an ill-advised prototyping with... I dunno, a stuffed squirrel or some such) take on the form of squirrels that try to steal their game discs. Jeff will dream on Prospit, where Skaia's clouds will show him visions where he is the star (it's him) and he has to challenge the Big Man (the Black King). Meanwhile, Sweet Bro, the Derse dreamer, will fall under the control of the horrorterrors (hot gods) and do their bidding (put... jelly on them. Whatever). Jeff will use the sockkind abstratus, with which he will create....... DISTACTIONS, while Bro will attempt to use both rulerkind and spoonkind but utterly fail to get the hang of either... man, I could go on for hours.
** Or as stated above, the next session will be Mobius and Hadron's, and the corresponding numbers will be 2:14, for reasons both outlined here and listed on (as of this writing) the first WMG on the page.
* Or we could simply say, no probably not. Andrew for instance has left open that other human sessions escaped up to whatever number you feel like, and the rebooted session the Kids will be in will have 8 players via technicality. Extrapolation from 3 points, including one that has only been referenced ''once'' is a bit silly don't you think.
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[[WMG: The Final Battle]]
will involve all characters introduced thus far, and more importantly, will follow problem sleuth's style of taking viewer input.
* Probably not considering a fair number of characters are dead and are not coming back.
will involve all characters introduced thus far, and more importantly, will follow problem sleuth's style of taking viewer input.
* Probably not considering a fair number of characters are dead and are not coming back.
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[[WMG: The Scratch will produce a universe where humans are just as bloodthirsty as the trolls]]
Part of the reason why the trolls' ancestors couldn't finish the game was because they weren't made of hardy enough stuff, and part of the reason they agreed to cause the Scratch was to produce a reality where they would be. It's possible the scratch the kids cause will have the same effect, guided, as with the trolls, by the new universe's equivalent of Doc Scratch.
* Except we saw John spawn his team and their respective ancestors so Lord English has not actually glitched up the kid's session at all, their session is barren but not doomed.
* Troll session 2 was made specifically to do a better job than session 1. But the trolls have pretty much said that the kids are doing a better job playing the game than they did. Their time player is better (if body count and doomed timelines is the yardstick being used), the frog job isn't being rushed and they are actually paying attention to the lore and the riddles.
** Assuming J is in fact from the rebooted human session (as is fairly likely) we already know this is Jossed. He mentions actors that we know and doesn't seem especially blood thirsty. Remember, the kids have done in a day what it took the Trolls nearly a month to do (make the Genesis Frog, reach the top of their echeladder, etc) so it seems that Humans are already way better at the game than Trolls.
[[WMG: The Sufferer was actually a High blood]]
* His blood could be higher than royalty or lower than rust but since he didn't seem to have any mutant poweres he was more likely a highblood.
** The higher caste on the hemospectrum you go the lower the birth rate. At the time the Sufferer was the only candyblood to have ever existed.
*** The Hemospectrum is arrayed like the normal visible spectrum; that is the higher the wavelength the higher the energy (power) and therefore the higher the status. Red would be either the lowest presented or (and this would actually make sense, considering the Rustblood's role) just above Aradia.
*** Feferi's color appears closest to Pink/Magenta which is not technically present in the the visible spectrum (in terms of wavelengths). [[http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/strange-but-true/colour_spectrum_magenta_complimentary_bizarre Here]] is an article explaining the weirdness. So either Hussie doesn't know this and I'm barking up the wrong tree or the colors are not based on the visible spectrum entirely, but simply ordered that way for convenience.
*** Alternatively, Ultraviolet light runs through colors just like visible light and Red would be the lowest on the UV tier, but the UV tier would still be above Visible Spectrum tier.
** Jossed, Hussie has said the blood color of Karkat and the Sufferer is not on the acknowledged hemospectrum at all.
[[WMG: When Hussie begins releasing other eight God Tier Hoodies, he will make a self-aware statement along these lines:]]
"As I'm sure even the least astute of you has deduced I would do, I have released the first of the remaining God Tier hoodies, despite the fact that at least one of them will never be depicted in the comic under any circumstances whatsoever. Technically, I am now a fashion designer, just as I am also technically a seller of astrological merchandise."
[[WMG: When the scratch occurs, whomever was the time player is forced to become a minion of Lord English's.]]
* Since Aradia was forced against her will to become the handimaid, and the scratch is technically a time based event, the time player could get left behind, for d0c scratch to recruit for English.
** That was NOT Aradia.
[[WMG: The MSPA Reader is Lord English.]]
First off, I'm saying the ''character'' is, not us as a whole.
Think about it: No matter where the main characters go, no matter what they do, the Reader is still watching them. He is already there, waiting for them to make their next move, anticipating how it will all go down. There was even a time when he (or us, depending on your perception of things) could decide how their universe worked, i.e. submitting commands for them to follow. And since a meta guy like hussie can break through walls easily, whose to say the reader doesn't have a wall they could break through on their own? It'd be a pretty surefire way to take a universe in Homestuck and salvage it for their own, because to him, this is all just a silly comic that he reads in his little land of Stumps and Dismay.
* Let's just say this is an MSPA Reader theory so no one has to move it around.
[[WMG: Karkat Pantas (i.e., Pantskat) was intentional.]]
I do believe this to be the case, and not a joke theory. However, I'm not sure where best to put this if not this page, as there doesn't seem to be a single "meta guesses" page, unless this is it.\\
In [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005854 the Spritelog/Chatlog between Nannasprite and fedorafreak]], fedorafreak mentions alchemizing a "useless, excessively tall pant". Later, during Doc Scratch's monologuing sermon about the Ancestors, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005959 the Sufferer's leggings are mentioned as a holy artifact]] (they are both grey, like Pantskat's trouser-esque attire, and seemingly long). [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005748 The Pants-kat imagery]] appears ''immediately'' after the Doc Scratch interlude. Coincidence? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe]].
* Not a coincidence if those references only existed ''after'' Pantskat became a fandom meme!!
Part of the reason why the trolls' ancestors couldn't finish the game was because they weren't made of hardy enough stuff, and part of the reason they agreed to cause the Scratch was to produce a reality where they would be. It's possible the scratch the kids cause will have the same effect, guided, as with the trolls, by the new universe's equivalent of Doc Scratch.
* Except we saw John spawn his team and their respective ancestors so Lord English has not actually glitched up the kid's session at all, their session is barren but not doomed.
* Troll session 2 was made specifically to do a better job than session 1. But the trolls have pretty much said that the kids are doing a better job playing the game than they did. Their time player is better (if body count and doomed timelines is the yardstick being used), the frog job isn't being rushed and they are actually paying attention to the lore and the riddles.
** Assuming J is in fact from the rebooted human session (as is fairly likely) we already know this is Jossed. He mentions actors that we know and doesn't seem especially blood thirsty. Remember, the kids have done in a day what it took the Trolls nearly a month to do (make the Genesis Frog, reach the top of their echeladder, etc) so it seems that Humans are already way better at the game than Trolls.
[[WMG: The Sufferer was actually a High blood]]
* His blood could be higher than royalty or lower than rust but since he didn't seem to have any mutant poweres he was more likely a highblood.
** The higher caste on the hemospectrum you go the lower the birth rate. At the time the Sufferer was the only candyblood to have ever existed.
*** The Hemospectrum is arrayed like the normal visible spectrum; that is the higher the wavelength the higher the energy (power) and therefore the higher the status. Red would be either the lowest presented or (and this would actually make sense, considering the Rustblood's role) just above Aradia.
*** Feferi's color appears closest to Pink/Magenta which is not technically present in the the visible spectrum (in terms of wavelengths). [[http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/strange-but-true/colour_spectrum_magenta_complimentary_bizarre Here]] is an article explaining the weirdness. So either Hussie doesn't know this and I'm barking up the wrong tree or the colors are not based on the visible spectrum entirely, but simply ordered that way for convenience.
*** Alternatively, Ultraviolet light runs through colors just like visible light and Red would be the lowest on the UV tier, but the UV tier would still be above Visible Spectrum tier.
** Jossed, Hussie has said the blood color of Karkat and the Sufferer is not on the acknowledged hemospectrum at all.
[[WMG: When Hussie begins releasing other eight God Tier Hoodies, he will make a self-aware statement along these lines:]]
"As I'm sure even the least astute of you has deduced I would do, I have released the first of the remaining God Tier hoodies, despite the fact that at least one of them will never be depicted in the comic under any circumstances whatsoever. Technically, I am now a fashion designer, just as I am also technically a seller of astrological merchandise."
[[WMG: When the scratch occurs, whomever was the time player is forced to become a minion of Lord English's.]]
* Since Aradia was forced against her will to become the handimaid, and the scratch is technically a time based event, the time player could get left behind, for d0c scratch to recruit for English.
** That was NOT Aradia.
[[WMG: The MSPA Reader is Lord English.]]
First off, I'm saying the ''character'' is, not us as a whole.
Think about it: No matter where the main characters go, no matter what they do, the Reader is still watching them. He is already there, waiting for them to make their next move, anticipating how it will all go down. There was even a time when he (or us, depending on your perception of things) could decide how their universe worked, i.e. submitting commands for them to follow. And since a meta guy like hussie can break through walls easily, whose to say the reader doesn't have a wall they could break through on their own? It'd be a pretty surefire way to take a universe in Homestuck and salvage it for their own, because to him, this is all just a silly comic that he reads in his little land of Stumps and Dismay.
* Let's just say this is an MSPA Reader theory so no one has to move it around.
[[WMG: Karkat Pantas (i.e., Pantskat) was intentional.]]
I do believe this to be the case, and not a joke theory. However, I'm not sure where best to put this if not this page, as there doesn't seem to be a single "meta guesses" page, unless this is it.\\
In [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005854 the Spritelog/Chatlog between Nannasprite and fedorafreak]], fedorafreak mentions alchemizing a "useless, excessively tall pant". Later, during Doc Scratch's monologuing sermon about the Ancestors, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005959 the Sufferer's leggings are mentioned as a holy artifact]] (they are both grey, like Pantskat's trouser-esque attire, and seemingly long). [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005748 The Pants-kat imagery]] appears ''immediately'' after the Doc Scratch interlude. Coincidence? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe]].
* Not a coincidence if those references only existed ''after'' Pantskat became a fandom meme!!
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[[WMG: Former Players]]
As mentioned before, there's a theory that players become the monarchs of the two factions once they reach Skaia. Therefore, the monarchs of the two kingdoms are former players that were divided once they reached Skaia. Two wanted to destroy it for all the trouble it caused and the other two wanted to protect it despite this. The Dark ones were banished back to Derse. So that means that the Carapaces are a race that played Sburb before the humans.
Now stick with me, it gets a little crazy here.
The kids reach Skaia and do the same thing[[note]]Probably would be John and Jade to Prospit and Dave and Rose to Derse, based on the fact that Jade's Dream self is already there and we've yet to Dave's or Rose's dream self[[/note]]. The Carapaces are then allowed to rebuild on Earth. Meanwhile, the Trolls are the next players of Sburb. Knowing that the Trolls are able to screw around with time, the Dark and Light Kingdoms both ask the Trolls to influence their past selves in an attempt to break the cycle. They are ultimately successful, although the Trolls' planet is still destroyed. The Kids use Skaia to create a new planet for them.
* Interesting extrapolation, but further exploration of the game's mechanics thoroughly disproved this theory.
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[[WMG: The Midnight Crews' names and suits have to do with their relationships with the Black Queen]]
* Spades Slick is her Kismesis. This is canon.
* Clubs Deuce was their Auspistice.
* Diamonds Droog was her Moirail.
* Hearts Boxcars felt he was her Matesprit...but then she married the Black King.
** May be partially Jossed. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005758 This page]] suggests Doc Scratch is their Auspistice.
** She doesn't even seem to be aware of the rest of the Crew in the Kid's session. They're Jack's underlings, so she doesn't pay attention to them.
* Spades Slick is her Kismesis. This is canon.
* Clubs Deuce was their Auspistice.
* Diamonds Droog was her Moirail.
* Hearts Boxcars felt he was her Matesprit...but then she married the Black King.
** May be partially Jossed. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005758 This page]] suggests Doc Scratch is their Auspistice.
** She doesn't even seem to be aware of the rest of the Crew in the Kid's session. They're Jack's underlings, so she doesn't pay attention to them.
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[[WMG: At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
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[[WMG: The fourth exile will have a monetary theme]]
She will wear a robe of stapled-together greenbacks to fit the four elements colour scheme.
* More specifically, her civic obsession will be taxation.
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[[WMG: In the kids' game, the white can defeat the black because of how screwed up everything has gotten.]]
After all, black always beats white... but hell, at this point, the game board is practically smashed. And that's why Doc Scratch wants Rose to cause the Scratch - it will reset everything, so that black is ensured to win again.
* By triggering the Reckoning, Black has won already.
After all, black always beats white... but hell, at this point, the game board is practically smashed. And that's why Doc Scratch wants Rose to cause the Scratch - it will reset everything, so that black is ensured to win again.
* By triggering the Reckoning, Black has won already.
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[[WMG: In the kids' game, the white can defeat the black because of how screwed up everything has gotten.]]
After all, black always beats white... but hell, at this point, the game board is practically smashed. And that's why Doc Scratch wants Rose to cause the Scratch - it will reset everything, so that black is ensured to win again.
* By triggering the Reckoning, Black has won already.
After all, black always beats white... but hell, at this point, the game board is practically smashed. And that's why Doc Scratch wants Rose to cause the Scratch - it will reset everything, so that black is ensured to win again.
* By triggering the Reckoning, Black has won already.
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[[WMG: Jack had an ulterior motive besides just power for taking the Black Queen's ring.]]
Bro's glasses, Lil Cal, now the hat, pipe and scarf? [[SerialKiller Jack takes trophies from all his kills]]. His first just happened to make him into a deity.
* The trophy binges were just a bit of the crow prototyping peeking through.
Bro's glasses, Lil Cal, now the hat, pipe and scarf? [[SerialKiller Jack takes trophies from all his kills]]. His first just happened to make him into a deity.
* The trophy binges were just a bit of the crow prototyping peeking through.
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[[WMG: Jailbreak and Problem Sleuth is the future of the Alpha Session]]
As evidenced by the pumpkin disappearifyings; Jake has been appearifying them from the past all along. The Problem Sleuth characters are all Exiles, while the Jailbreak characters are an evolved form of the Prospitians. Meanwhile, the Midnight Crew that's pestering Team Sleuth is the Alpha Session's version of the Derse agents.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Hearts Boxcars is someone important in the Black Hierarcy.]]
Because we know how important Sovereign Slayer/Spade Slick is (he was the archagent, second only to the royalty), and Draconian Dignitary/Diamond Dregs and Courtyard Droll/Clubs Duece both appear in both universes. But Hearts Boxcars hasn't appeared as a Dersian agent yet, which may hint at something big. Maybe even Head Black (aka the Black King, sans ring).
* Yes he has. He's the Hegemonic Brute, a JokeCharacter who's been decapitated both times he's appeared. Besides we know what Kings look like, and HB looks completely different.
As evidenced by the pumpkin disappearifyings; Jake has been appearifying them from the past all along. The Problem Sleuth characters are all Exiles, while the Jailbreak characters are an evolved form of the Prospitians. Meanwhile, the Midnight Crew that's pestering Team Sleuth is the Alpha Session's version of the Derse agents.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Hearts Boxcars is someone important in the Black Hierarcy.]]
Because we know how important Sovereign Slayer/Spade Slick is (he was the archagent, second only to the royalty), and Draconian Dignitary/Diamond Dregs and Courtyard Droll/Clubs Duece both appear in both universes. But Hearts Boxcars hasn't appeared as a Dersian agent yet, which may hint at something big. Maybe even Head Black (aka the Black King, sans ring).
* Yes he has. He's the Hegemonic Brute, a JokeCharacter who's been decapitated both times he's appeared. Besides we know what Kings look like, and HB looks completely different.
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[[WMG: At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
[[WMG: Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important.]]
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' ArcNumber, which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' ArcNumber, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
*** And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
[[WMG: The Bad Future Spades Slick arrived at by opening the vault in the intermission is actually a GOOD Future.]]
All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
[[WMG: The kids and the Trolls will meet face-to-face, and somehow manage to fix everything.]]
Thus, an entire new universe will be spawned, Lord English is defeated, and there are troll-human hybrids as well. Part of this WMG is because it seems entirely plausible, part is because [[Tropers/JKRoo I]] want to see a [[IfItsYouItsOkay John]] and [[SourSupporter Kar]][[{{Jerkass}} kat]] [[SlapSlapKiss relationship]], however improbable.
** Also, [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther Jade/Karkat]] and [[LoveAtFirstSight Dave/Terezi]].
** Technically speaking, Jade and Feferi have met face to face. Well, maybe only from Feferi's persepctive.
** Kids and trolls have already met in dreambubbles yep. Also shipping, please keep off the WMG! Too much fighting.
[[WMG: At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
[[WMG: Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important.]]
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' ArcNumber, which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' ArcNumber, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
*** And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
[[WMG: The Bad Future Spades Slick arrived at by opening the vault in the intermission is actually a GOOD Future.]]
All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
[[WMG: The kids and the Trolls will meet face-to-face, and somehow manage to fix everything.]]
Thus, an entire new universe will be spawned, Lord English is defeated, and there are troll-human hybrids as well. Part of this WMG is because it seems entirely plausible, part is because [[Tropers/JKRoo I]] want to see a [[IfItsYouItsOkay John]] and [[SourSupporter Kar]][[{{Jerkass}} kat]] [[SlapSlapKiss relationship]], however improbable.
** Also, [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther Jade/Karkat]] and [[LoveAtFirstSight Dave/Terezi]].
** Technically speaking, Jade and Feferi have met face to face. Well, maybe only from Feferi's persepctive.
** Kids and trolls have already met in dreambubbles yep. Also shipping, please keep off the WMG! Too much fighting.
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Guardians]]
[[WMG:At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.The four guardians created this world. John, Jade, Dave and Rose will create a new world as its guardians.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
[[WMG: Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important.]]
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' ArcNumber, which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' ArcNumber, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
*** And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
[[WMG: The Bad Future Spades Slick arrived at by opening the vault in the intermission is actually a GOOD Future.]]
All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicatecom/?s=6&p=002926 Jade's]] dream shows that it there is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* Accordingchained mini-world attached to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.Prospit with two towers. Almost like a dandelion. The two towers correspond to Jade and John, who have direct contact with the other plane. The other towers belong to John's Dad, Rose's Mother, Bro and Bec. Each of the four towers will be "unlocked" by prototyping their symbols. Harlequins, Wizards, Puppets and... I dunno respectively freeing the baby Prospit of this generation.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
[[WMG:com/?s=6&p=002604 The Dark Realm]] and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002608 Prospit]] each have a tether world, or moon. Likely with 2 spires each. [[http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Four_Planets.gif This]] implies two kids go to the Dark Kingdom and the Trolls other two will meet face-to-face, and somehow manage head to fix everything.]]
Thus, an entire new universeProspit. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002973 Implies]] that the Dark Kingdom two will be spawned, Lord English is defeated, Dave and there are troll-human hybrids as well. Part of this Rose.
* [This WMGis because it seems entirely plausible, part is because [[Tropers/JKRoo I]] want actually turned out to see be half-correct, at least in inadvertently stumbling upon the point of the game.]
[[WMG: Each Kid's relationship with their Guardian demonstrates a[[IfItsYouItsOkay John]] quadrant of troll romance]]
John was raised by a loving and[[SourSupporter Kar]][[{{Jerkass}} kat]] [[SlapSlapKiss relationship]], playful father in the healthiest environment of the four. This corresponds to matesprit and the flushed quadrant which is based on reproduction. Similarly, Rose's relationship with her mother demonstrates kismesis, spiteful love. Jade was raised by her best friend, clear moraillaince, while Dave was raised by and intermediary between himself and his brother, demonstrating auspiciticiousness or however improbable.
** Also, [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther Jade/Karkat]] and [[LoveAtFirstSight Dave/Terezi]].
** Technically speaking, Jade and Feferi have met face to face. Well,the fuck you spell that last one.
* Uh... All of the Kids, save for maybeonly from Feferi's persepctive.
** KidsDave, very much loved their Guardians. Jade especially loved Bec. It seems maybe you could argue platonic love... but moiraillegiance isn't about simple platonic love, it's more accurately someone being a MoralityChain, which isn't at all present in Jade's relationship to Bec for instance. Secondly, it also doesn't match up with the suites assigned to each kid, John is Spades, Dave is Hearts, Jade is Diamonds, and Rose is Clubs. But most importantly, Andrew had no idea the trolls have already met in dreambubbles yep. Also shipping, please keep off existed when he created the WMG! Too much fighting.
Guardians, so if anything, the Troll romances reflect the relationships with the Guardians, not the other way around.
[[WMG:
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
[[WMG: Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important.]]
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' ArcNumber, which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' ArcNumber, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
*** And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
[[WMG: The Bad Future Spades Slick arrived at by opening the vault in the intermission is actually a GOOD Future.]]
All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate
* According
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.
[[WMG:
Thus, an entire new universe
* [This WMG
[[WMG: Each Kid's relationship with their Guardian demonstrates a
John was raised by a loving and
** Also, [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther Jade/Karkat]] and [[LoveAtFirstSight Dave/Terezi]].
** Technically speaking, Jade and Feferi have met face to face. Well,
* Uh... All of the Kids, save for maybe
** Kids
[[WMG: The Guardians will aid the kids during the final battle.]]
This would be an awesome idea.
* not ALL the guardians....
** You never know, there might be more [[StableTimeLoop WEIRD TIME SHIT]].
*** Probably not. The entire point of the Guardians from the beginning is like the lusi; to ultimately die so the players grow. Sburb has a grim mentality about extra people sneaking in; the only person to leave and enter the Medium without being a player is Hass, and that ''still'' hasn't been fully explained.
*** [[RuleOfFunny Because it was a joke.]]
*** Still possible, if you count the Post-Scratch guardians (who are now the players)
** '''Jossed,''' with one stern fatherly exception.
[[WMG: The Guardians had foreknowledge of their own deaths]]
It's certainly implied, especially when Dad leaves his wallet for John to find.
* Probably not considering they were apparently caught offguard and put up little fight. Aside from Bro who was overpowered.
[[WMG: The monsters that the Guardians are seen fighting in the 4/13 Flash are the Denizens of the kid's respective worlds.]]
Shortly thereafter, Maplehoof discovers a massive grist hoard after Rose's Mom defeats her monster. The only known hoards of this magnitude are those left over by the Denizens, so...
* However, aren't the Denizens in their respective palaces and currently sleeping?
* You wish. ''Those'' are just the mid-level monsters. The Guardians will be orders of magnitude scarier
[[WMG: The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
This might explain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again the way Vriska said he would.
* No, that's inherent to any player. The windy thing from Tavros was simply him using his own powers.
[[WMG:Bec killed the dinosaurs]]
As above, but more within the character's capacity.
* He predates the Cretaceous.
[[WMG: Bec is the Denizen of Earth]] Huge sleeping underground monster. Woken by meteor impact. Intimately involved with the Earth's passages through the Skaian 'games'.
* In fact, let's crank this up: Denizens are the final stage of Kernelsprite metamorphosis. Like pokemon, they evolve. Bec was first prototyped with a puppy and a klein bottle.
** Nope on both counts.
[[WMG: Bec is not Jade's guardian.]]
Scratch and Bec display similar abilities, namely the green lightningness, and Scratch refers to himself as the guardian of Alternia. So what is Bec? He's the guardian of ''earth''. Jade's guardian is her grandfather, which will cause serious problems later on when they are needed (since he's only alive in dream-form.)
* This is partial canon, he's the First Guardian of Earth. However Guardians themselves are not that important. And he ''is'' her Guardian, at least to Sburb and for all intents and purposes.
[[WMG:[[MemeticMutation The dog was behind it all.]]]]
Bec is, in actuality, not a dog but an EldritchAbomination. He created Skaia, the Beta, etc. all in order to destroy civilization whenever possible. Rose's books didn't hide Bec's genetic sequence, but rather that of ''Jaspers'': If a dog is the ultimate evil, then only a cat can defeat him. The Old Gods were deceiving her because they didn't want her to stop their ruler's existence, whether or not it is disastrous for the multiverse. Dave preserving the notebooks will save Earth, not destroy it.
* Not quite. Lord English used Jaspers to pass Rose the genetic sequence used to create First Guardians. The Old Gods, who fear and hope to prevent the arrival of Lord English, try to stop it by telling Rose to burn the notebook.
* Jossed all of this.
[[WMG: Bec would not have ''thought'' to laser Jade's meteor without getting prototyped.]]
It's stated that creatures such as Bec and Doc Scratch are nigh-omnipotent, but it requires a suitable intellect for them to be nigh-omniscient -- an intellect which a dog's brain clearly does not provide. I submit that Bec was always ''capable'' of producing a [[WaveMotionGun meteor-destroying energy beam]], but wasn't actually aware of it until he prototyped himself. We know prototyping gives the resulting sprite information about the game (from Davesprite), and it gives them the ability to talk (from the Trolls' session), presumably so that they can share said information with the players. So it would make sense that prototyping could give Bec enough of an intellect boost to grant him the base necessary for his nigh-omniscience, and subsequent knowledge of the full range of his powers.
[[WMG: Grandpa Harley's dream self is alive, but his real-world counterpart is dead.]]
The Act 4 intermission pages of Homestuck show the apparently alive Grandpa Harley coming to gather the remains of Dream Jade. This may confirm that this is actually his dream self, and offers a very interesting parallel in the story. Namely, in the real world, Jade is alive and interacts with her stuffed Grandpa, while in the dream world, Grandpa is alive and interacts with his stuffed grand-daughter.
* Seems probable. The troll arc in act 5 established that a dreamself can replace the original if it dies, so it's entirely possible that the Grampa we're seeing in the medium is his dreamself.
** As Andrew has stated that most people don't even have a dreamself, this would mean that Jade's grandpa is destined to venture into the Medium. It also may have something to do with the implication that he is in some way related to the development of Sburb. *** Alternatively it is a past version of Grandpa Harley
** The above is jossed, only players have dream selves, and Grandpa is not a player. He is a past version of himself.
[[WMG: Bro is the reincarnation of [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]]]]
The shades, the improbable fighting prowess and the feats that can only be adequately explained through the use of spiral energy; example: Bro riding a meteor down through the atmosphere and cutting it in half with a single blow to give Dave the precious seconds he needs to get to the medium; then somehow making it there himself; perceptual teleport maybe? Yeah.
* Jossed, Andrew didn't even know who he was.
[[WMG: Bro is a puppet]]
Lil' Cal has been making it look like he was moving on his own all this time.
* Jossed, blood.
[[WMG: Dave's Bro is not being ironic...]]
And he isn't actually creepy either. He's just really, really boring.
This is the funniest outcome, and therefore the most likely.
* We'll never find out now!
[[WMG: Bro, and possibly the other guardians, are still alive.]]
Bro, at least, had his own copy of Sburb. Therefore it's possible he also entered the medium as a palayer, and thus has both a dream self and a real self. So... even if his real self is dead, his dream self could still be alive
* But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
** Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
*** The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
[[WMG: Dave's Bro really is being ironic with the puppets]]
Because at this point that would be a whole lot more surprising than if he wasn't. Therefore it makes for a better plot twist and must be so.
* We'll never know because he's dead.
[[WMG: Rose's Mom was trying to resurrect Jaspers]]
The setup in the lab is clearly hers, since she had direct passage to it in her ''room'', and has been shown to have used it at least once. The Appearifier is locked on Jaspers, and the machine next to it attempts to produce a clone whenever the user tries to paradoxify Jaspers. The presence of Mutie seems to imply that this has already happened at least once. Plus, that outfit just ''screams'' "mad scientist".
* The [=MEOWs=] scribbled on Rose's wall might be genetic code needed to clone a new Jaspers, which could have been the secret he revealed to Rose. Rose's mom tries to recreate the cat from this.
** The MEOW code is not for Jaspers, but rather, a DNA sequence that when combined with another creature, will grant them omnipotence.
[[WMG: John's Dad and Rose's Mom have arrived on Skaia to look after Dream!John.]]
Even with Cyberbunny for company, Dream!John's going to be pretty vulnerable and lonely on Skaia now that Prospit's moon has been destroyed. With Dream!Jade dead, he's probably too valuable an asset to leave unattended, and I can't think of another reason why Hass would drop Dad and Mom off on Skaia. So they're probably there to make sure he stays safe and sane. Well, the odd cake to the face aside...
* They didn't seem to do much looking after before they died.
[[WMG: John's dad uses Jokerkind for his Strife Specibus and Gamzee acquired it from him in some sort of temporal event.]]
That's about it.
* Probably not; Dad doesn't seem to have a Specibus, other than CakeKind and maybe FistKind.
[[WMG: The guardians are also playing a game.]]
Much like the trolls' session, there are two 'parallel' games being run at the same time-- the kids', and the guardians' (as opposed to two sets of regular players.) In fact, the entire reason for the trolls' double-reacharound was the lack of guardians to create the second part of the game since they had to prototype their lusii.
* The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
[[WMG: Dad is [=fedoraFreak=]]]
The only guardian not to come from ectobiology - the only other human known to have survived (and probably reached God Tier), another fedora-clad businessman. Somehow, after reaching God Tier, he came back to become both Dads. (Of course, this would mean he didn't actually die on Skaia...)
* Alternatively, perhaps the tower he died on was on top of his quest bed, or he had multiple dream selves, like Sullox..., died again, this time on the quest bed, either way, then reaching god tier, then going back in time, becoming fedora freak...
** Not Jossed, per se, but NOPED. Dad is [=pipeFan=]. Nannasprite overtly says this in her conversation with [=fedoraFreak=].
** Of course, it's still possible that [=fedoraFreak=] is the Alpha Dad, who was somehow sending messages to the Beta Universe.
[[WMG: Dad is a clone (ectobiological or otherwise) of Colonel Sassacre]]
They're the same height, the same build; hoot, even their noses are identical. It would explain why there's such a strong resemblance despite the fact that John/Poppop and Nanna/Jane aren't the colonel's blood relatives at all, and would also explain why he looks ''exactly'' the same in both timelines, despite the fact that he clearly has different parents. Of note, while Nanna mentions that she [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005856 started a family]], she doesn't actually say she gave birth...
* WordOfGod is that she did
[[WMG: All guardians save Poppop will take on a more active role at one point in the Game.]]
Since Nanna (in the form of Nannasprite) was the only guardian to actually assist her respective child, This would likely be inverted for the Alpha session, where all the guardians are actively fighting alongside their children or take a much more active role in general instead of being the heroes of another story; since they're essentially better versions of the guardians, they have a higher rate of surviving and making an impact.
* Considering the pre-Scratch versions of the same characters will be outright players (including, presumably, John), that would be very, very odd. And Jake doesn't really have any kind of guardian, not even an equivalent to Bec; both Poppop Crocker and Jake's grandma are, presumably, dead.
** If you mean they're going to be fighting while alive that's going to be kind of hard since Poppop!John and Nanna!Jade died of old age and if Dirk is right about Dave!Bro and Rose!Mom being dead.
*** Thus, Jossed.
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[[folder: UNSORTED]]
[[WMG: At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
[[WMG: Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important.]]
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' ArcNumber, which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' ArcNumber, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
*** And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
[[WMG: The Bad Future Spades Slick arrived at by opening the vault in the intermission is actually a GOOD Future.]]
All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
This would be an awesome idea.
* not ALL the guardians....
** You never know, there might be more [[StableTimeLoop WEIRD TIME SHIT]].
*** Probably not. The entire point of the Guardians from the beginning is like the lusi; to ultimately die so the players grow. Sburb has a grim mentality about extra people sneaking in; the only person to leave and enter the Medium without being a player is Hass, and that ''still'' hasn't been fully explained.
*** [[RuleOfFunny Because it was a joke.]]
*** Still possible, if you count the Post-Scratch guardians (who are now the players)
** '''Jossed,''' with one stern fatherly exception.
[[WMG: The Guardians had foreknowledge of their own deaths]]
It's certainly implied, especially when Dad leaves his wallet for John to find.
* Probably not considering they were apparently caught offguard and put up little fight. Aside from Bro who was overpowered.
[[WMG: The monsters that the Guardians are seen fighting in the 4/13 Flash are the Denizens of the kid's respective worlds.]]
Shortly thereafter, Maplehoof discovers a massive grist hoard after Rose's Mom defeats her monster. The only known hoards of this magnitude are those left over by the Denizens, so...
* However, aren't the Denizens in their respective palaces and currently sleeping?
* You wish. ''Those'' are just the mid-level monsters. The Guardians will be orders of magnitude scarier
[[WMG: The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
This might explain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again the way Vriska said he would.
* No, that's inherent to any player. The windy thing from Tavros was simply him using his own powers.
[[WMG:Bec killed the dinosaurs]]
As above, but more within the character's capacity.
* He predates the Cretaceous.
[[WMG: Bec is the Denizen of Earth]] Huge sleeping underground monster. Woken by meteor impact. Intimately involved with the Earth's passages through the Skaian 'games'.
* In fact, let's crank this up: Denizens are the final stage of Kernelsprite metamorphosis. Like pokemon, they evolve. Bec was first prototyped with a puppy and a klein bottle.
** Nope on both counts.
[[WMG: Bec is not Jade's guardian.]]
Scratch and Bec display similar abilities, namely the green lightningness, and Scratch refers to himself as the guardian of Alternia. So what is Bec? He's the guardian of ''earth''. Jade's guardian is her grandfather, which will cause serious problems later on when they are needed (since he's only alive in dream-form.)
* This is partial canon, he's the First Guardian of Earth. However Guardians themselves are not that important. And he ''is'' her Guardian, at least to Sburb and for all intents and purposes.
[[WMG:[[MemeticMutation The dog was behind it all.]]]]
Bec is, in actuality, not a dog but an EldritchAbomination. He created Skaia, the Beta, etc. all in order to destroy civilization whenever possible. Rose's books didn't hide Bec's genetic sequence, but rather that of ''Jaspers'': If a dog is the ultimate evil, then only a cat can defeat him. The Old Gods were deceiving her because they didn't want her to stop their ruler's existence, whether or not it is disastrous for the multiverse. Dave preserving the notebooks will save Earth, not destroy it.
* Not quite. Lord English used Jaspers to pass Rose the genetic sequence used to create First Guardians. The Old Gods, who fear and hope to prevent the arrival of Lord English, try to stop it by telling Rose to burn the notebook.
* Jossed all of this.
[[WMG: Bec would not have ''thought'' to laser Jade's meteor without getting prototyped.]]
It's stated that creatures such as Bec and Doc Scratch are nigh-omnipotent, but it requires a suitable intellect for them to be nigh-omniscient -- an intellect which a dog's brain clearly does not provide. I submit that Bec was always ''capable'' of producing a [[WaveMotionGun meteor-destroying energy beam]], but wasn't actually aware of it until he prototyped himself. We know prototyping gives the resulting sprite information about the game (from Davesprite), and it gives them the ability to talk (from the Trolls' session), presumably so that they can share said information with the players. So it would make sense that prototyping could give Bec enough of an intellect boost to grant him the base necessary for his nigh-omniscience, and subsequent knowledge of the full range of his powers.
[[WMG: Grandpa Harley's dream self is alive, but his real-world counterpart is dead.]]
The Act 4 intermission pages of Homestuck show the apparently alive Grandpa Harley coming to gather the remains of Dream Jade. This may confirm that this is actually his dream self, and offers a very interesting parallel in the story. Namely, in the real world, Jade is alive and interacts with her stuffed Grandpa, while in the dream world, Grandpa is alive and interacts with his stuffed grand-daughter.
* Seems probable. The troll arc in act 5 established that a dreamself can replace the original if it dies, so it's entirely possible that the Grampa we're seeing in the medium is his dreamself.
** As Andrew has stated that most people don't even have a dreamself, this would mean that Jade's grandpa is destined to venture into the Medium. It also may have something to do with the implication that he is in some way related to the development of Sburb. *** Alternatively it is a past version of Grandpa Harley
** The above is jossed, only players have dream selves, and Grandpa is not a player. He is a past version of himself.
[[WMG: Bro is the reincarnation of [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]]]]
The shades, the improbable fighting prowess and the feats that can only be adequately explained through the use of spiral energy; example: Bro riding a meteor down through the atmosphere and cutting it in half with a single blow to give Dave the precious seconds he needs to get to the medium; then somehow making it there himself; perceptual teleport maybe? Yeah.
* Jossed, Andrew didn't even know who he was.
[[WMG: Bro is a puppet]]
Lil' Cal has been making it look like he was moving on his own all this time.
* Jossed, blood.
[[WMG: Dave's Bro is not being ironic...]]
And he isn't actually creepy either. He's just really, really boring.
This is the funniest outcome, and therefore the most likely.
* We'll never find out now!
[[WMG: Bro, and possibly the other guardians, are still alive.]]
Bro, at least, had his own copy of Sburb. Therefore it's possible he also entered the medium as a palayer, and thus has both a dream self and a real self. So... even if his real self is dead, his dream self could still be alive
* But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
** Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
*** The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
[[WMG: Dave's Bro really is being ironic with the puppets]]
Because at this point that would be a whole lot more surprising than if he wasn't. Therefore it makes for a better plot twist and must be so.
* We'll never know because he's dead.
[[WMG: Rose's Mom was trying to resurrect Jaspers]]
The setup in the lab is clearly hers, since she had direct passage to it in her ''room'', and has been shown to have used it at least once. The Appearifier is locked on Jaspers, and the machine next to it attempts to produce a clone whenever the user tries to paradoxify Jaspers. The presence of Mutie seems to imply that this has already happened at least once. Plus, that outfit just ''screams'' "mad scientist".
* The [=MEOWs=] scribbled on Rose's wall might be genetic code needed to clone a new Jaspers, which could have been the secret he revealed to Rose. Rose's mom tries to recreate the cat from this.
** The MEOW code is not for Jaspers, but rather, a DNA sequence that when combined with another creature, will grant them omnipotence.
[[WMG: John's Dad and Rose's Mom have arrived on Skaia to look after Dream!John.]]
Even with Cyberbunny for company, Dream!John's going to be pretty vulnerable and lonely on Skaia now that Prospit's moon has been destroyed. With Dream!Jade dead, he's probably too valuable an asset to leave unattended, and I can't think of another reason why Hass would drop Dad and Mom off on Skaia. So they're probably there to make sure he stays safe and sane. Well, the odd cake to the face aside...
* They didn't seem to do much looking after before they died.
[[WMG: John's dad uses Jokerkind for his Strife Specibus and Gamzee acquired it from him in some sort of temporal event.]]
That's about it.
* Probably not; Dad doesn't seem to have a Specibus, other than CakeKind and maybe FistKind.
[[WMG: The guardians are also playing a game.]]
Much like the trolls' session, there are two 'parallel' games being run at the same time-- the kids', and the guardians' (as opposed to two sets of regular players.) In fact, the entire reason for the trolls' double-reacharound was the lack of guardians to create the second part of the game since they had to prototype their lusii.
* The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
[[WMG: Dad is [=fedoraFreak=]]]
The only guardian not to come from ectobiology - the only other human known to have survived (and probably reached God Tier), another fedora-clad businessman. Somehow, after reaching God Tier, he came back to become both Dads. (Of course, this would mean he didn't actually die on Skaia...)
* Alternatively, perhaps the tower he died on was on top of his quest bed, or he had multiple dream selves, like Sullox..., died again, this time on the quest bed, either way, then reaching god tier, then going back in time, becoming fedora freak...
** Not Jossed, per se, but NOPED. Dad is [=pipeFan=]. Nannasprite overtly says this in her conversation with [=fedoraFreak=].
** Of course, it's still possible that [=fedoraFreak=] is the Alpha Dad, who was somehow sending messages to the Beta Universe.
[[WMG: Dad is a clone (ectobiological or otherwise) of Colonel Sassacre]]
They're the same height, the same build; hoot, even their noses are identical. It would explain why there's such a strong resemblance despite the fact that John/Poppop and Nanna/Jane aren't the colonel's blood relatives at all, and would also explain why he looks ''exactly'' the same in both timelines, despite the fact that he clearly has different parents. Of note, while Nanna mentions that she [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005856 started a family]], she doesn't actually say she gave birth...
* WordOfGod is that she did
[[WMG: All guardians save Poppop will take on a more active role at one point in the Game.]]
Since Nanna (in the form of Nannasprite) was the only guardian to actually assist her respective child, This would likely be inverted for the Alpha session, where all the guardians are actively fighting alongside their children or take a much more active role in general instead of being the heroes of another story; since they're essentially better versions of the guardians, they have a higher rate of surviving and making an impact.
* Considering the pre-Scratch versions of the same characters will be outright players (including, presumably, John), that would be very, very odd. And Jake doesn't really have any kind of guardian, not even an equivalent to Bec; both Poppop Crocker and Jake's grandma are, presumably, dead.
** If you mean they're going to be fighting while alive that's going to be kind of hard since Poppop!John and Nanna!Jade died of old age and if Dirk is right about Dave!Bro and Rose!Mom being dead.
*** Thus, Jossed.
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[[folder: UNSORTED]]
[[WMG: At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
[[WMG: Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important.]]
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' ArcNumber, which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' ArcNumber, at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
*** And now the EOA flash is set to come on... 10/25/11.
[[WMG: The Bad Future Spades Slick arrived at by opening the vault in the intermission is actually a GOOD Future.]]
All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
[[WMG: The trolls' and kids' universes are contained in Dave's shades.]]
One could think that they were within Sollux's shades, because of the zoom in/out at the end of Act 5 Act 1, but this can't be the case because his original shades were likely destroyed along with his body. Dave's shades, on the other hand, are still fine... mostly. When he tossed his own corpse out the window, it fell a great height before hitting the ground. When it did, the shades presumably would have broken. This would destroy both of the universes in them... were it not for the fact that there was still an intact pair existing at the same time. The paradox of the shades being both broken and unbroken at the same time caused the scratch to screw up the trolls, and will presumable do/have done something very bad for the kids, perhaps causing the creation of the Uberbunny and allowing Jack to become godly.
* This gave me a headache.
[[WMG: Jade, like Tavros and Gamzee, will not harm any of the imps.]]
She just doesn't like hurting things, anthromorphically persuaded or otherwise. It's possible that she could befriend them, just by... not murdering them on sight.
** Well, so far the only one she's managed to kill was killed by Bec. But she does seem at least set on taking them out.
*** Dave confirms that she's good at killing them.
[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
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[[WMG: Jack had an ulterior motive besides just power for taking the Black Queen's ring.]]
Bro's glasses, Lil Cal, now the hat, pipe and scarf? [[SerialKiller Jack takes trophies from all his kills]]. His first just happened to make him into a deity.
* The trophy binges were just a bit of the crow prototyping peeking through.
[[WMG: The Guardians had foreknowledge of their own deaths]]
It's certainly implied, especially when Dad leaves his wallet for John to find.
* Probably not considering they were apparently caught offguard and put up little fight. Aside from Bro who was overpowered.
[[WMG: The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
This might explain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again the way Vriska said he would.
* No, that's inherent to any player. The windy thing from Tavros was simply him using his own powers.
Bro's glasses, Lil Cal, now the hat, pipe and scarf? [[SerialKiller Jack takes trophies from all his kills]]. His first just happened to make him into a deity.
* The trophy binges were just a bit of the crow prototyping peeking through.
[[WMG: The Guardians had foreknowledge of their own deaths]]
It's certainly implied, especially when Dad leaves his wallet for John to find.
* Probably not considering they were apparently caught offguard and put up little fight. Aside from Bro who was overpowered.
[[WMG: The Heir/Page/Etc of Breath not only has power over wind, but can breathe life back into people as well.]]
This might explain why "the windy thing" effect was seen coming out of Tavros' mouth when he tried to revive Vriska. It may also explain how John sees his father again the way Vriska said he would.
* No, that's inherent to any player. The windy thing from Tavros was simply him using his own powers.
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[[WMG: The First Guardians ARE capable of commiting suicide.]]
The reason Doc Scratch can't is because it would stop LE from coming into power.
* Nope. Doc's death is the trigger to bring LE into the universe, no matter what. He is physically incapable of harming himself.
The reason Doc Scratch can't is because it would stop LE from coming into power.
* Nope. Doc's death is the trigger to bring LE into the universe, no matter what. He is physically incapable of harming himself.
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[[WMG: The Guardians will aid the kids during the final battle.]]
This would be an awesome idea.
* not ALL the guardians....
** You never know, there might be more [[StableTimeLoop WEIRD TIME SHIT]].
*** Probably not. The entire point of the Guardians from the beginning is like the lusi; to ultimately die so the players grow. Sburb has a grim mentality about extra people sneaking in; the only person to leave and enter the Medium without being a player is Hass, and that ''still'' hasn't been fully explained.
*** [[RuleOfFunny Because it was a joke.]]
*** Still possible, if you count the Post-Scratch guardians (who are now the players)
** '''Jossed'''
[[WMG:Bec killed the dinosaurs]]
As above, but more within the character's capacity.
* He predates the Cretaceous.
[[WMG: Bec is the Denizen of Earth]]
Huge sleeping underground monster. Woken by meteor impact. Intimately involved with the Earth's passages through the Skaian 'games'.
* In fact, let's crank this up: Denizens are the final stage of Kernelsprite metamorphosis. Like pokemon, they evolve. Bec was first prototyped with a puppy and a klein bottle.
** Nope on both counts.
[[WMG: Bec is not Jade's guardian.]]
Scratch and Bec display similar abilities, namely the green lightningness, and Scratch refers to himself as the guardian of Alternia. So what is Bec? He's the guardian of ''earth''. Jade's guardian is her grandfather, which will cause serious problems later on when they are needed (since he's only alive in dream-form.)
* This is partial canon, he's the First Guardian of Earth. However Guardians themselves are not that important. And he ''is'' her Guardian, at least to Sburb and for all intents and purposes.
[[WMG: Grandpa Harley's dream self is alive, but his real-world counterpart is dead.]]
The Act 4 intermission pages of Homestuck show the apparently alive Grandpa Harley coming to gather the remains of Dream Jade. This may confirm that this is actually his dream self, and offers a very interesting parallel in the story. Namely, in the real world, Jade is alive and interacts with her stuffed Grandpa, while in the dream world, Grandpa is alive and interacts with his stuffed grand-daughter.
* Seems probable. The troll arc in act 5 established that a dreamself can replace the original if it dies, so it's entirely possible that the Grampa we're seeing in the medium is his dreamself.
** As Andrew has stated that most people don't even have a dreamself, this would mean that Jade's grandpa is destined to venture into the Medium. It also may have something to do with the implication that he is in some way related to the development of Sburb.
*** Alternatively it is a past version of Grandpa Harley
** The above is jossed, only players have dream selves, and Grandpa is not a player. He is a past version of himself.
[[WMG: Bro, and possibly the other guardians, are still alive.]]
Bro, at least, had his own copy of Sburb. Therefore it's possible he also entered the medium as a palayer, and thus has both a dream self and a real self. So... even if his real self is dead, his dream self could still be alive
* But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
** Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
*** The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
[[WMG: John's dad uses Jokerkind for his Strife Specibus and Gamzee acquired it from him in some sort of temporal event.]]
That's about it.
* Probably not; Dad doesn't seem to have a Specibus, other than CakeKind and maybe FistKind.
[[WMG: The guardians are also playing a game.]]
Much like the trolls' session, there are two 'parallel' games being run at the same time-- the kids', and the guardians' (as opposed to two sets of regular players.) In fact, the entire reason for the trolls' double-reacharound was the lack of guardians to create the second part of the game since they had to prototype their lusii.
* The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
[[WMG: Dad is [=fedoraFreak=]]]
The only guardian not to come from ectobiology - the only other human known to have survived (and probably reached God Tier), another fedora-clad businessman. Somehow, after reaching God Tier, he came back to become both Dads. (Of course, this would mean he didn't actually die on Skaia...)
* Alternatively, perhaps the tower he died on was on top of his quest bed, or he had multiple dream selves, like Sullox..., died again, this time on the quest bed, either way, then reaching god tier, then going back in time, becoming fedora freak...
** Not Jossed, per se, but NOPED. Dad is [=pipeFan=]. Nannasprite overtly says this in her conversation with [=fedoraFreak=].
** Of course, it's still possible that [=fedoraFreak=] is the Alpha Dad, who was somehow sending messages to the Beta Universe.
[[WMG: Dad is a clone (ectobiological or otherwise) of Colonel Sassacre]]
They're the same height, the same build; hoot, even their noses are identical. It would explain why there's such a strong resemblance despite the fact that John/Poppop and Nanna/Jane aren't the colonel's blood relatives at all, and would also explain why he looks ''exactly'' the same in both timelines, despite the fact that he clearly has different parents. Of note, while Nanna mentions that she [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005856 started a family]], she doesn't actually say she gave birth...
* WordOfGod is that she did.
This would be an awesome idea.
* not ALL the guardians....
** You never know, there might be more [[StableTimeLoop WEIRD TIME SHIT]].
*** Probably not. The entire point of the Guardians from the beginning is like the lusi; to ultimately die so the players grow. Sburb has a grim mentality about extra people sneaking in; the only person to leave and enter the Medium without being a player is Hass, and that ''still'' hasn't been fully explained.
*** [[RuleOfFunny Because it was a joke.]]
*** Still possible, if you count the Post-Scratch guardians (who are now the players)
** '''Jossed'''
[[WMG:Bec killed the dinosaurs]]
As above, but more within the character's capacity.
* He predates the Cretaceous.
[[WMG: Bec is the Denizen of Earth]]
Huge sleeping underground monster. Woken by meteor impact. Intimately involved with the Earth's passages through the Skaian 'games'.
* In fact, let's crank this up: Denizens are the final stage of Kernelsprite metamorphosis. Like pokemon, they evolve. Bec was first prototyped with a puppy and a klein bottle.
** Nope on both counts.
[[WMG: Bec is not Jade's guardian.]]
Scratch and Bec display similar abilities, namely the green lightningness, and Scratch refers to himself as the guardian of Alternia. So what is Bec? He's the guardian of ''earth''. Jade's guardian is her grandfather, which will cause serious problems later on when they are needed (since he's only alive in dream-form.)
* This is partial canon, he's the First Guardian of Earth. However Guardians themselves are not that important. And he ''is'' her Guardian, at least to Sburb and for all intents and purposes.
[[WMG: Grandpa Harley's dream self is alive, but his real-world counterpart is dead.]]
The Act 4 intermission pages of Homestuck show the apparently alive Grandpa Harley coming to gather the remains of Dream Jade. This may confirm that this is actually his dream self, and offers a very interesting parallel in the story. Namely, in the real world, Jade is alive and interacts with her stuffed Grandpa, while in the dream world, Grandpa is alive and interacts with his stuffed grand-daughter.
* Seems probable. The troll arc in act 5 established that a dreamself can replace the original if it dies, so it's entirely possible that the Grampa we're seeing in the medium is his dreamself.
** As Andrew has stated that most people don't even have a dreamself, this would mean that Jade's grandpa is destined to venture into the Medium. It also may have something to do with the implication that he is in some way related to the development of Sburb.
*** Alternatively it is a past version of Grandpa Harley
** The above is jossed, only players have dream selves, and Grandpa is not a player. He is a past version of himself.
[[WMG: Bro, and possibly the other guardians, are still alive.]]
Bro, at least, had his own copy of Sburb. Therefore it's possible he also entered the medium as a palayer, and thus has both a dream self and a real self. So... even if his real self is dead, his dream self could still be alive
* But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
** Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
*** The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
[[WMG: John's dad uses Jokerkind for his Strife Specibus and Gamzee acquired it from him in some sort of temporal event.]]
That's about it.
* Probably not; Dad doesn't seem to have a Specibus, other than CakeKind and maybe FistKind.
[[WMG: The guardians are also playing a game.]]
Much like the trolls' session, there are two 'parallel' games being run at the same time-- the kids', and the guardians' (as opposed to two sets of regular players.) In fact, the entire reason for the trolls' double-reacharound was the lack of guardians to create the second part of the game since they had to prototype their lusii.
* The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
[[WMG: Dad is [=fedoraFreak=]]]
The only guardian not to come from ectobiology - the only other human known to have survived (and probably reached God Tier), another fedora-clad businessman. Somehow, after reaching God Tier, he came back to become both Dads. (Of course, this would mean he didn't actually die on Skaia...)
* Alternatively, perhaps the tower he died on was on top of his quest bed, or he had multiple dream selves, like Sullox..., died again, this time on the quest bed, either way, then reaching god tier, then going back in time, becoming fedora freak...
** Not Jossed, per se, but NOPED. Dad is [=pipeFan=]. Nannasprite overtly says this in her conversation with [=fedoraFreak=].
** Of course, it's still possible that [=fedoraFreak=] is the Alpha Dad, who was somehow sending messages to the Beta Universe.
[[WMG: Dad is a clone (ectobiological or otherwise) of Colonel Sassacre]]
They're the same height, the same build; hoot, even their noses are identical. It would explain why there's such a strong resemblance despite the fact that John/Poppop and Nanna/Jane aren't the colonel's blood relatives at all, and would also explain why he looks ''exactly'' the same in both timelines, despite the fact that he clearly has different parents. Of note, while Nanna mentions that she [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005856 started a family]], she doesn't actually say she gave birth...
* WordOfGod is that she did.
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This would be an awesome idea.
* not ALL the guardians....
** You never know, there might be more [[StableTimeLoop WEIRD TIME SHIT]].
*** Probably not. The entire point of the Guardians from the beginning is like the lusi; to ultimately die so the players grow. Sburb has a grim mentality about extra people sneaking in; the only person to leave and enter the Medium without being a player is Hass, and that ''still'' hasn't been fully explained.
*** [[RuleOfFunny Because it was a joke.]]
*** Still possible, if you count the Post-Scratch guardians (who are now the players)
** '''Jossed'''
[[WMG:Bec killed the dinosaurs]]
As above, but more within the character's capacity.
* He predates the Cretaceous.
[[WMG: Bec is the Denizen of Earth]]
Huge sleeping underground monster. Woken by meteor impact. Intimately involved with the Earth's passages through the Skaian 'games'.
* In fact, let's crank this up: Denizens are the final stage of Kernelsprite metamorphosis. Like pokemon, they evolve. Bec was first prototyped with a puppy and a klein bottle.
** Nope on both counts.
[[WMG: Bec is not Jade's guardian.]]
Scratch and Bec display similar abilities, namely the green lightningness, and Scratch refers to himself as the guardian of Alternia. So what is Bec? He's the guardian of ''earth''. Jade's guardian is her grandfather, which will cause serious problems later on when they are needed (since he's only alive in dream-form.)
* This is partial canon, he's the First Guardian of Earth. However Guardians themselves are not that important. And he ''is'' her Guardian, at least to Sburb and for all intents and purposes.
[[WMG: Grandpa Harley's dream self is alive, but his real-world counterpart is dead.]]
The Act 4 intermission pages of Homestuck show the apparently alive Grandpa Harley coming to gather the remains of Dream Jade. This may confirm that this is actually his dream self, and offers a very interesting parallel in the story. Namely, in the real world, Jade is alive and interacts with her stuffed Grandpa, while in the dream world, Grandpa is alive and interacts with his stuffed grand-daughter.
* Seems probable. The troll arc in act 5 established that a dreamself can replace the original if it dies, so it's entirely possible that the Grampa we're seeing in the medium is his dreamself.
** As Andrew has stated that most people don't even have a dreamself, this would mean that Jade's grandpa is destined to venture into the Medium. It also may have something to do with the implication that he is in some way related to the development of Sburb.
*** Alternatively it is a past version of Grandpa Harley
** The above is jossed, only players have dream selves, and Grandpa is not a player. He is a past version of himself.
[[WMG: Bro, and possibly the other guardians, are still alive.]]
Bro, at least, had his own copy of Sburb. Therefore it's possible he also entered the medium as a palayer, and thus has both a dream self and a real self. So... even if his real self is dead, his dream self could still be alive
* But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
** Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
*** The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
[[WMG: John's dad uses Jokerkind for his Strife Specibus and Gamzee acquired it from him in some sort of temporal event.]]
That's about it.
* Probably not; Dad doesn't seem to have a Specibus, other than CakeKind and maybe FistKind.
[[WMG: The guardians are also playing a game.]]
Much like the trolls' session, there are two 'parallel' games being run at the same time-- the kids', and the guardians' (as opposed to two sets of regular players.) In fact, the entire reason for the trolls' double-reacharound was the lack of guardians to create the second part of the game since they had to prototype their lusii.
* The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
[[WMG: Dad is [=fedoraFreak=]]]
The only guardian not to come from ectobiology - the only other human known to have survived (and probably reached God Tier), another fedora-clad businessman. Somehow, after reaching God Tier, he came back to become both Dads. (Of course, this would mean he didn't actually die on Skaia...)
* Alternatively, perhaps the tower he died on was on top of his quest bed, or he had multiple dream selves, like Sullox..., died again, this time on the quest bed, either way, then reaching god tier, then going back in time, becoming fedora freak...
** Not Jossed, per se, but NOPED. Dad is [=pipeFan=]. Nannasprite overtly says this in her conversation with [=fedoraFreak=].
** Of course, it's still possible that [=fedoraFreak=] is the Alpha Dad, who was somehow sending messages to the Beta Universe.
[[WMG: Dad is a clone (ectobiological or otherwise) of Colonel Sassacre]]
They're the same height, the same build; hoot, even their noses are identical. It would explain why there's such a strong resemblance despite the fact that John/Poppop and Nanna/Jane aren't the colonel's blood relatives at all, and would also explain why he looks ''exactly'' the same in both timelines, despite the fact that he clearly has different parents. Of note, while Nanna mentions that she [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005856 started a family]], she doesn't actually say she gave birth...
* WordOfGod is that she did.
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[[folder: Post-Scratch Session]]
[[WMG: The Trolls will be able to repopulate despite the death of the Matriorb because...]]
* The post-Scratch version of Jade/Jake's island has been shown to have Lusi Naturae, (I mean, FRIGHTENING FAUNA), which could theoretically include a Mother Grub.
** Any Mother Grub that isn't tended by trolls tends to die when alone, such as Kanaya's demonstrated, thus '''Jossed'''.
[[WMG: The Reason Roxy uses troll lingo is...]]
She reads Homestuck through one of her many fenestrated walls.
* She might have met them while sleepwalking through the dream-bubbles.
** Original WMG Jossed.
[[WMG: UU is not a cissexual.]]
Disregarding the Midnight Crew, Homestuck has thus far had an absolute gender equality among its player characters, but if UU is either male or female, the balance would be tipped. Now, while the screen name uranianUmbra most likely refers to the Green Sun's atomic rays, uranian is also an archaic term for a transsexual. Knowing this, it seems likely that she is somehow either both genders at once or neither.
* That logic actually doesn't apply; for a very long time, J was known to be a mysterious person but there was no indication his gender was fluid. Moreover, Uranian was a originally ''specific'' term for a MTF Transsexual, not just any sort of non-binary or non cissexual, and UU seemingly is happy to be identified as a female. In addition, no session can compose of a single player, so it's entirely possible Uranian is simply a reference that makes sense in the context of her own session (i.e. perhaps a celestial body theme, or what have you).
** Or you can simply chalk it up to UU lying outright and being a First Guardian, which don't really even have gender.
* Possibly Jossed. If UU isn't lying, her Sburb class is exclusive to female players. Then again, no one ever said that classes were limited to ''physiologically'' female players. It might count psychological gender for all we know.
** She has consistently been referred to as female constantly. She seems to be a WholesomeCrossdresser at worst. Calling this one as Jossed.
** All that means is that she identifies as female. Whether she is cissexual or trans* is still up in the air, so how is this Jossed?
*** Because usually when a girl says she's a girl, she's a biological girl. There has never been any suggestion remotely of her being anything but a normal cissexual female, and we don't even know if there can ''be'' transsexual trolls too, because their gender identity is completely different from humans. The core WMG too is Jossed about the whole gender balance thing too, because there's uu. Speaking in an aside as a writer here too, in all likelihood, while Andrew is an LGBT sympathizer, he doesn't want to touch the pretty emotionally charged subject of transsexuality in a primarily comedic series. Kanaya and Dirk's sexualities are never gone into in great deal, but transexuality is a bit different, and it's genuinely hard for writers to do it proper justice.
[[WMG: UU is a Fairy.]]
UU seems to be an "Anti-Troll", and fairies seem to be as good a counterpart as any, especially since their existence was foreshadowed by Tavros. And if she does turn out to be evil, that would be perfectly in line with TheFairFolk.
* She's a troll
[[WMG: UU is from the universe the kids will create.]]
She assures that Jane and co. will be successful in their session.... [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Hey, why are you looking at me like that?]]
* ... Except I actually was about to post this theory- Hello alternate universe me. Adding on to 'my past universe self's' theory, the reason UU wants to sync up the start of their session with the session of the Alphas is because of the boundless help it offers both sides, and UU might want to be the reason his/her universe is created, in similar terms to Vriska wanting to be the reason Bec was protoyped. [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Nope, no stares at ALL.]]
** ...why are there {{PotHole}}s to PoisonOakEpilepticTrees? Taking everything UU says at face value, this is the one that seems most likely to be true. [[TheUntwist Which is why it must be wrong!]]
*** She is actually not; she's at least several sessions removed, as she refers to a lot of previous sessions.
[[WMG: UU is the pre-Scratch Signless / Sufferer]]
We know that the Signless was a originally a prophet of peace and equality before he was tortured to death, and we know that the troll's world before their own scratch was practically a utopia. uranianUmbra could be the young Signless from a kinder, gentler universe. Being "signless," UU would be free to pick his own symbol, and UU's caduceus is not far from one of the many signs proposed for Ophiuchus, a 13th astrological sign.
Perhaps the biggest barrier to UU being the Signless would be his gender -- except that "uranian" can mean transsexual. If the Signless was transgender, it might not be noteworthy to trollish history considering how irrelevant physical sex is to reproduction. Karkat has been teased before for watching "movies for girls," so there's at least a connection between Karkat and muddied gender roles.
* Alternatively, UU is one of the other 24 pre-Scratch trolls.
** There's no evidence there's more than 12 pre-Scratch trolls, as indeed that wouldn't make any sense, unless you're including the pre-Scratch ancestors that became the post-Scratch players.
* Possibly supported by her candy-red cufflink in the shape of half of the Sign of the Signless.
** But Jossed in that her horns don't match at all. And appearances don't change between Scratched sessions, just look at John and Poppop.
[[WMG: UU is Feferi's ancestor, and trying to sabotage this session.]]
Just seems to fit with the Betty Crocker things.
* Horns don't match.
[[WMG: UU is Feferi's ancestor from the Alpha Troll session.]]
As above, except she is genuinely trying to help the kids... at first. However, she pulls a FaceHeelTurn because something that happens in the kids' session ultimately causes the Alpha Troll session to fail (similar to how the kids' beta session was doomed because of the trolls' failure to put the universe together properly). This would be a reversal of how Karkat and the other trolls were initially hostile to the kids, but later ended up helping them.
* Alpha is a designation that doesn't mean anything in the Trolls' session, so I assume you mean the original session. If that's the case, this is {{Jossed}} by virtue of Feferi not having an ancestor in the Ancestors' session. She was ectobiologically created, which means that she is genetically related to between 1 and 23 other trolls, and no others.
** Presumably what is meant here is the pre-Scratch version of the Condesce, the one who played the pre-Scratch trolls' session.
*** Jossed; horns don't match and appearances do not change between Scratched sessions, compare John and Poppop.
[[WMG: UU is actually a squiddle]]
First, she is so painfully cheerful and nice to everyone, just like a squiddle would be, which is stretching it a bit, actually this whole WMG is stretching a bit.
But she seems to be cheerful to be a troll, he symbol has also got two snakes intertwining, which is quite like a tangle buddy I guess. Also there was this line:
->UU: [=yoUr=] objective today is to pave the way for the arrival of gods.
Which, you're supposed to think refers to the god tier children, but could actually refer to the god's of the outer ring the inspiration for the squiddles.
As well as this Umbral, the second part of her troll handle, means the darkest shadow, where no light could ever reach, once again an inclination that she might be tied in with the dark gods of the outer ring.
* She's confirmed to be a Troll.
[[WMG: UU is Alternia's pre-Scratch First Guardian]]
The only Ophiuchus symbolism so far has all referred to Doc Scratch, but a pre-Scratch Alternia would have a different First Guardian. Act 6 seems to be about communicating between reset universes. Only problem is that the hands aren't white.
* Doesn't she talk about playing the game herself? That wouldn't make sense, considering how players and First Guardians are created.
** Pre-Scratch Alternia did not have a First Guardian, which is partially why they needed to Scratch.
[[WMG: UU is responsible for the failure of the Pre-Scratch Troll session]]
* WARNING EPILEPTICTREES AHEAD: In line with the theory that Complacency of the Learned has something to do with UU's true identity, UU is the thirteenth troll of the Pre-Scratch Troll session engaged in a game against Lord English with the goal being to beat him for good. While ensuring that the Alpha kids succeed in their session she actively attempts to sabotage her own session to create a situation that will force her fellow players to initiate the Scratch which would lead to the events of Homestuck as we know them. Since she is the leader of her session she would most likely use ectobiology to do this (possibly making her responsible for Karkat's mutation)or by killing them all (keeping in line with CotL). As for why she is no longer present in the post-scratch troll session it could be that ectobiology shenanigans caused her to cease to exist or she was removed from play due to her actions hindering the success of the session (thus giving it a better chance to succeed).
** There were only 12 players in the Pre-Scratch session according to Doc and WordOfGod.
*** Don't forget, though, that players != impact on session. Dad, Mom, Bro and Grandpa were all running around doing things. Bro even began the process of the Scratch. Grandpa somehow entered and escaped the session completely independent of how the kids even entered.
[[WMG: UU cosplaying as a troll]]
The horns and keyboard are props and the gray skin is greasepaint. She's wearing Calmasis' jacket because she was influenced by Alpha-Rose's book, not the other way 'round. Her reveal is going to be such an epic TakeThat at the MSPA fandom that the thinner skinned will abandon it forever.
* UU's brother is a FanHater or he's so indifferent to the game and its "characters" that he'll be a GordianKnot-cutter. (confirmed, he hates that stupid thing his sister keeps talking about)
** ''There is no brother'', she's just saying that because all HS kids are evenly divided gender-wise and have a SpearCounterpart. (Jossed, his name is undyingumbrage.)
* Pretends to be a SailorEarth style OC. Writes fanfiction. Draws fanart (and gives Dirk wings to make him look more Marty Stuish), not to mention how (s)he repeatedly insists on being an alien in case somebody missed it. Not to mention that (s)he practically outright admits to reading Homestuck.
** Now that it's so obvious I'm not sure anymore...
* In short, UU is an in-universe fan troll. She's canon alright. ''Canonically fictional''. Also, "uranian" refers to GuyInRealLife.
* This ties in nicely with her "anti-Karkat" theme: he was an alien from the past who was mistaken for a hostile human while she's a human from the future (seeing as she knows things about HS that real-life fans don't) who is deliberately posing as a friendly alien, or may be an alien posing as a ''different, fictional'' (to her) alien.
** Jossed, she has no idea how humans reproduce.
*** Or so she says.
[[WMG: UU is from "our" world]]
InAWorld where ''Homestuck'' is complete and being made into a TV series or movie franchise, an obsessive fangirl thinks she's stumbled onto a particularly intense role-playing game or AlternateRealityGame. She thinks that her knowledge of HS will get her tickets to the premier or something and believes she's gained a rapport with the "actors" playing Jane, Roxy, Dirk, and Jake. She doesn't realize that she's found a/the ''real'' HS universe and now [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou the fourth wall has stopped protecting her]].
* That's pretty hard considering she's a troll!
[[WMG: UU ''isn't'' cosplaying]]
The horns and gray skin are real. Combining the River Song reference and the possibility that UU really is an alien, [[Series/DoctorWho UU looks like a troll and trolls look like UU]], but they're different species.
* She seems to be a troll pretty completely! Going with Jossed since there's no evidence of a species that looks like trolls but aren't them?
[[WMG: UU's 'brother' is Jake]]
-> UU: i am so pleased to be a prospit dreamer. i'm sUre my brother finds his netherworldly affiliation similarly pleasing.
She never explicitly stated that her brother was a derse dreamer; she merely stated that he had "netherwordly" affiliations, which may be merely foreshadowing of Lord English. Thus, she may be the daughter of Jade and Karkat, as her symbol contains both their colors.
* He's a Derse dreamer and Jake's dreamself is dead.
[[WMG: Jake is not going to crush on mystery troll]]
Why? She's not really of cerulean complexion - her skin is grey. Hence the <???????? instead of <33333333. Hussie trolls us once again.
* Jossed already, he thinks she's cute.
[[WMG: The five surviving Trolls will be the new session's Exiles]]
This makes sense because in the other Sessions there were five Exiles. Plus, the Trolls are effectively the only ones left alive from their universe.
* Plus, there appear to be gray hands in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006014 this page.]]
* Besides, how else would the main characters react with the Post-Scratch session?
** By going to the session like they outright said they would. She mentions multiple parents... hmmm...
** Second theory is jossed. It's a new troll entirely, UU.
*** No it isn't; Exile terminals don't work that way.
* '''Jossed''': Only 4 Trolls go to the Alpha Session, and Kanaya is attempting to murder Gamzee.
[[WMG: Trolls, or at least some kind of alien, exist in the post-Scratch universe]]
Besides the implications that Betty Crocker is the Troll Empress, there's the statement about Jane being the only one of her kind to play the Sburb Alpha. It could be a FantasticCasteSystem, but it could also be aliens. (It could also be both, and whatever Jane's kind is, it's on the bottom with the exception of her.)
* Given the importance of "2x3 Day", it's probably The Condesce and the trolls.
** Or just the Condesce and whomever the 13th troll is. Jane is most likely just a bit of a snob.
*** '''Jossed''': More time on Alpha Earth has shown that excepting the Condesce, there are no aliens.
*** Un-Jossed (at least partially) by [S] Jane: Enter.
*** Re-Jossed by Dirk's account.
[[WMG: [[http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/unite-synchronization Unite Synchronization]] is not about the kids]]
It is the kids instruments but none of it really sound like any of their previous motifs. The reason why is simple, this is not a song of the kinds working together, it's a song of the post-scratch session
* Except the art for the song clearly depicts the Kids.
** The track art for Volumes 7 and 8 were not produced by the music team, so they shouldn't be used to divine the artists' intent for the song.
*** As far as I know the Music Team picks fanart to go with the song.
*** I understand that while they may choose who draws the art, they don't tell them what to draw. Thus, we get a situation where songs like Even in Death and Judgment Day, arrangements of Dave and Aradia's leitmotifs, have Rose and John in their album art.
*** Actually in the vast majority of cases the art is already drawn, and they just contact the fanartist for use in the album. For instance just offhand, Mayor Maynot had it's art drawn over a year before it was actually put in the album.
*** At any rate '''Jossed'''; Andrew does not reveal spoilers to the music team, even integral members like Radiation. Moreover, the Alpha Kids have the same instruments as the Beta Kids.
*** Though the song ''was'' later used for a flash about Dirk and the rest of the Alpha Kids.
[[WMG: UU is Her Imperial Condescension]]
* Or maybe The Handmaid
* Or '''BETTY CROCKER'''!!!
** Jossed, the Empress is on Derse. Possibly for The Handmaid too since HIC has Lord English's multicolored "aura" and Doc Scratch promised to let "Aradiacestor" die after recruiting the Empress.
[[WMG: The kids' pesterchum handles will all contain the letter U]]
If the original session was like DNA (aka, storing data), then Alpha Session is like RNA (aka, transcribing data to be used). Therefore it'll probably be some variation of AU, CU, GU, UA, UC, UG, or UU (if she's not the thirteenth troll)
* Jossed. Jake's chumhandle is golgothasTerror.
** Completely '''Jossed'''
*** At least for the kids. U's might be used for UU's fellow "cheer" players if there's any more of them.
*** Confirmed, but the original WMG is still jossed.
[[WMG: Andrew Hussie is a dimensionally-displaced Alpha Bro, and his real name is Drew Strider.]]
Alpha Bro's big irony speech was taken almost word-for-word from an answer Hussie gave to a Formspring question. Or maybe it's a speech that he's been giving for years, and it naturally springs from his lips (or fingers) when the subject is broached. Andrew is a pseudonym based on his real name, and... he thought "Hussie" would be an ironic surname, or something. Also, several of Hussie's webcomicker friends are the other kids. Just because.
* {{Jossed}}. Strider's name is Dirk.
[[WMG: Alpha Bro's first name is Dick]]
Or give me one other four letter male name that begins with Di...
* Dirk.
** And that is indeed his name.
** Roxy does call him Dick occasionally. Let's just call it even.
[[WMG: Alpha!Bro's name is Dell.]]
And he could act as an [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 engineer]] of sorts.
* D. Strider does seem to be the most technologically proficient, having invented a near-AI auto-responder.
* Jossed (at least partially), it's Dirk.
Bonus WMG: This also gives him the right/opportunity to ironically sing "Rolling in the Deep", because he'd be, you know, [[IncrediblyLamePun a Dell]].
[[WMG: When the autoresponder refers to a "DS", he isn't talking about Bro.]]
A bit of a wild theory, but think about it. Who else has the initials of DS? DOC SCRATCH. He is already here.
[[WMG: everytime the "What Pumpkin?" gag appears, it has been Jake's fault.]]
In Jailbreak, this was quite common, since Jake was first trying this out, but as he started to learn more, he began to pull them out of different places, until he finds out that it's a waste of uranium.
In other words, the stories are all connected together, thanks to this silly gag.
* It's strongly implied that, at least once in Homestuck, it was WV's fault.
** Additionally, Roxy shares some guilt for these incidents, though mainly for the ones Jane suffered through.
* And thus, that's enough to disprove "everytime" [sic].
[[WMG: The Alpha!Earth has evolved faster than Beta!Earth]]
If you take a look at the Jade's Island [[http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/f/f8/FrogTempleIsland.png before]] and [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006145 after]] the Scratch, there are some differences. The forest hasn't grown as far across the island, the Frog Temple looks a bit less weathered and the volcano is still active. I'm not sure if this will have any plot relevance, but it's there. It's possible the year is even [[ArcNumber 1431]].
The Condesce (or someone else) might've messed around with Earth the same way that Doc Scratch did with Alternia so that this happened.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006015 The year isn't 1431]].
[[WMG: Prospit and Derse will have, respectively, five and three towers.]]
Way back when Terezi and Vriska were writing Doc Scratch's code, Terezi's portion was five symbols in red while Vriska's was three symbols in blue. The red and blue teams were always associated with Prospit and Derse. So who's sleeping in the extra towers? Most likely Gamzee, Terezi, and Karkat on Prospit's side (with maybe Kanaya in Prospit's crypt, similar to Aradia), with Sollux on Derse. It'd be a good way to give the trolls a second chance at reaching god tier.
* The Trolls are not considered to be part of the Alpha Session as far as we know; UU never mentioned them and the Frog Temple has only 8 lands for the Beta and Alpha Kids.
* '''{{Jossed}}'''. Prospit and Derse have been show to have two dreamself towers each and no prototyping towers.
[[WMG: Trying to predict what each alpha kid will prototype their respective sprite with]]
* Jane: Seb - pre entry; Dead Poppop - post entry.
** Can't prototype the Bunny, as it has to be broken to complete time loops.
** Also, Jane didn't prototype it with anything pre entry (though AR tried to prototype it with Poppop).
* Jake: ? - pre entry; Brobot - post entry.
* Lalonde: a four eyed cat and a vizard doll - pre entry.
* Bro: Tiny Maplehoof - pre entry; Auto Responder - post entry.
** Incidentally, this also leaves two open slots for [[OhCrap GCat]].
*** [[OhNoNotAgain Please, please no. :(]]
** It's not really as bad as it sounds. By the time the kids manage to beat Jack, they should have no problem with another opponent od his caliber.
** They might do the sane thing and prototype [=GCat=] post-entry. This would have the benefits of a First Guardian sidekick with none of the problems.
** I am of the theory/hope that one of them will prototype WV post-entry, assuming the meteor gets to the session in time. Though it will hopefully not be Jake who prototypes him, because then he'd probably try to eat himself.
** Similar to above, I am of the theory/hope that some version of Karkat will be prototyped. I think it would be a nice callback to the Jadesprite incident, as well as finally giving him a chance at a kismesissitude.
** Dirk and Roxy both wanted to play the game to somehow revive their respective Guardians, however. It's possible they might just prototype Post-scratch Dave and Rose.
* Above are Jossed; the Black Ring and Derse and Prospit have all been seen, and it seems the Alpha Session will not be able to Prototype anything; or at least if they do, they'll have no influence on the session.
[[WMG: Alpha!Bro doesn't exist. He's the autoresponder.]]
It's him.
* Alternatively, just as Jake's dream self is already dead before the game begins, perhaps Alpha!Bro's awake self may already be dead. Like Aradia, who was dead before entering SGRUB, Alpha!Bro may exist only in robotic form (autoresponder and brobot) until he awakens his dream self/god tier.
** Jossed. We've already seen DS when he spoke to Jane after getting out of the shower.
[[WMG: The Alpha Kids will have no Beat Mesa.]]
And neither did the Trolls(at least the second time around). Based on going from Beta to Alpha, the next logical step would be "testing phase" or rather a stage where ''nobody'' gets to play. The top level is the "completed" universe they came from, where Earth, Alternia and other "real" planets live. Anyway, they are already getting a second chance, so if they mess up this time, why would they get a third? Obviously these 4 sessions are constrained by bugs, glitches and cancers, but the Beat Mesa is supposedly a standard feature of the game...
* '''Confirmed''' in principle, but '''Jossed''' in particulars via a mistaken assumption: the critical factor is a Hero of Time, not the Scratch mechanism. Aradia's mechanism was never seen, but that doesn't mean it does not exist. Moreover, the Alpha session is a very unusual and probably even unique session.
* I always thought that giant metronome thing was Aradia's "Beat Mesa". Keep in mind if a Metronome, it would be used to keep a "beat". Note that Aradia's time traveling orbitals are based on it, Dave's are based on Beat Mesa. It appears to be something that changes to match the player/session.
[[WMG: Bro and Dave are in the airplane flying over the city.]]
The airplane in [S] Act 6 is a curious sight, given Homestuck's near total lack of any signs of people other than the protagonists and their relatives. It would be quite strange of Hussie to put it in the montage if it didn't have any relevance to the protagonists, so it probably does. The plane being a jet chartered by Dave seems likely, since given that Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff has been adapted into a feature film in this timeline, he's likely busy and powerful enough to do so when he and his little Bro need to get somewhere, and Bro having to play Sburb on a moving plane would provide some interesting challenges that would be fun to explore.
* Tentatively {{Jossed}}. It seems that Bro was just in the shower, though we don't know where Dave was.
* '''Jossed''': It's just a ''Film/ConAir'' CallBack it seems.
[[WMG: Not only will the God-Tier Kids join the session, but due to unfortunate circumstances there will only be four Trolls left, and those four will also join the session, creating a 12-player session]]
There are currently 12 symbols/elements/whatever you want to call them (Breath, Light, Time, Space, etc). The God-Tier Kids, the Alpha Kids, and the remaining trolls will fill out each.
* Meaning that Aradia and Kanaya will die (again) or otherwise be left behind before entry, but Sollux survived the flight to the Green Sun.
** We also need to factor in the first part of their titles. Karkat can't be in because Dave is already a Knight; Terezi can't be in because Rose is already a Seer. Also, the terminal that Rose found way back in Act 3 had 8 planets. I find it unlikely that the session will include trolls.
* It might be possible for UU to join the session somehow- that way there will be 13 kids from 4 different sessions. (Assuming UU isn't actually evil.)
* Possibly Jossed, Sollux intends to stay behind with Aradia. Only way for this to work is for UU to replace him, or for Kanaya to somehow change aspect.
* '''Jossed''': The Trolls do ''not'' count as players from Sburb's perspective, as the entire mythology of the Alpha Session has been completely devoid of any mention of them. Moreover, Kanaya intends to kill Gamzee, and Mom Lalonde's book series implies the trolls will not survive the Alpha Session.
[[WMG: Since the God-Tier Kids were not created by the Alpha Session, they will not be bound by temporal inevitability there . . .]]
. . . and will finally be able to ScrewDestiny.
* Except that the Bunny is a pretty clear indicator that they aren't free of P-Space at all.
** If UU is to be trusted, '''Jossed'''.
[[WMG: Strider is in fact the First Guardian of Earth]]
Jake was referring to him; Alpha Bro's counterpart has a different last name.
* '''Jossed''', at the very least by [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006156 Jane: Answer Strider]].
* Double {{Jossed}}. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006323 Alpha!Earth's First Guardian is a cat]].
[[WMG: Mr. Crocker has banned Jane from leaving the house in a misguided attempt to protect her from Sburb.]]
Sadly, he doesn't understand temporal inevitability.
* Alternately, he's banned her from leaving the house to ensure that she is able to play Sburb, whether he did so under his own initiative or under orders from the Batterwitch.
* It appears her Dad's trying to protect her from assassination. It also appears he wasn't successful.
** Well, she's not dead ''yet'', thanks to [=GCat=].
*** '''Jossed'''
[[WMG: The Alpha!Universe is actually a ''pre''-scratch universe]]
The guardians always did seem a little too prepared in the Beta!Session. We've seen Mom, Dad, and Bro fighting off monsters way above the kids' levels back in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003568 Jack: Ascend]], Bro training Dave since his youth, Mom accessing a secret lab containing Skaian technology, and Grandpa somehow getting into the game ''before it even started.'' For her part, Nannasprite [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004698 also mentions]] that she knew about their ectobiological origins for ''years.'' Finally, consider Doc Scratch's [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005953 exposition]] of pre-scratch Alternia, how the players had not been spawned in their session, which seems to be the case on Alpha!Earth. Ultimately, it's the Alpha!Session which scratches into the Beta!Universe, not the other way around, and the Beta!Universe scratches into a yet-unseen Gamma!Universe.
* We outright saw the Kids cause the Scratch; if this theory is true then it's an infinite loop which is unlikely as hell.
** It's already been established that the entire setting is a TimeyWimeyBall, not to mention that Andrew has tossed {{RedHerring}}s at the audience before, so why exactly would it be outside the realm of possibility?
** Infinite loop? Don't you mean a DOUBLE MOBIUS REACHAROUND?
** This is also not the first time Earth's Sburb session has been scratched. Being a record, the Scratch keeps skipping back and forth between the Kids and Guardians sessions everytime changing something to help make a successful session. This could be the second, third, fourth or more than likely the [[ArcNumber 413]]th (and final) time it's been scratched. The Troll's scratched [[ArcNumber 1025]] times before succeeding until Jack showed up. (Signing this for IKnewIt purposes later, PretzelBoy 11-21-11)
*** Well everyone can also see how PretzelBoy is incorrect for 2 reasons: 1) The Trolls canonically created the Beta Universe so the Alpha Universe will not Scratch and 2) If UU is to be trusted, the Alpha Session results in victory, so the entire theory above is Jossed.
*** 1) There's nothing that says the trolls created the Beta timeline, only the kids' universe. 2) We don't quite know enough about UU to say we can trust him/her quite yet.
** If infinite loops are your problem, then maybe I should direct you to the fact that the Beta!Session was scratched because of the presence of The Bunny/Liv Tyler, who was built in the Alpha!Timeline. If the Beta!Session scratched into the Alpha!Timeline, then that's an infinite loop right there!
* Counterpoint to the WMG in it's premise: Nanna and the rest of the Guardians are completely different entities from the Alpha Kids. They're simply part of the AncientConspiracy or were informed of it by Betty Crocker. However, the idea that the Alpha session will Scratch into the Beta Session again, causing a loop, is impossible to confirm or deny, but comes off as rather silly since it would be stupid from a writing perspective, trapping the players in a cycle, and turning Homestuck into a [[DownerEnding Downer]] NoEnding.
** The theory does not assume there is an infinite scratch loop to begin with (that started with the initial joss attempt). The Signless had "memories" from his pre-scratch life even though he was a different entity; the idea that the guardians could have similar memories is plausible.
*** The theory does assume a loop in that the Guardians are remembering memories from a past session, meaning the Beta session we initially saw would have to be at least the third iteration of a human session, moreover Doc outright states that the Signless was an oddity, so his memories are probably a trait unique to him and him alone. '''Jossed''' anyways due to an oversight. The Alpha Session has no means of Scratching at all; none of the new players are Heroes of Time, and the Beat Mesa has already been used, so the Scratch cannot be carried out a second time.
*** As I'm the one who came up with the theory, I can confirm that the theory assumes that the Beta!Guardians, save Dad, would have memories from their Alpha!Iterations as ''players'', just like the Troll ancestors were the players in their pre-scratch session. The theory makes presumptions about neither a Pre-Alpha iteration nor a scratch-loop, as you suggest.
*** '''Jossed''', however, because the Beat Mesa issue is a totally valid counterpoint, as tardy as it is. Nothing to say about that unless some Weird Plot Shit comes up.
*** The problem is that the Alpha Session from the point of view of the Beta Session takes place in the future, and the idea that people could remember from the future is kinda silly, even considering weird time shit already taking place, so the more natural conclusion is the loop, thus the third iteration. The entire mythology of the Alpha and Beta sessions have been geared towards one following the other, so there's no indication of this unknown Gamma session. Besides, Alpha and Beta apply to basically the version of Sburb, and game testing typically never enters a Gamma testing phase (the term usually used is Open Beta).
*** Not sure what point you're trying to make when you've already jossed the theory with the Beat Mesa issue, but okay... What "future" are you talking about? The theory assumed the Alpha session came ''first'', and the Alpha!Guardians (save Dad, who doesn't count anyway) are all older than their Beta counterparts. Remembering the future is not an issue for the theory. Thus, the loop issue is a hasty assumption more than anything else. As far as calling it a "Gamma" version, I got that off the ObviousBeta page, which indeed labels the late testing phase as either "Open Beta" or "Gamma," so moot point.
*** Replay / rewatch "[S] Seer: Descend". It makes it pretty apparent that the Alpha Session follows the Beta Session. As for the loop; well that was a mistake I got from skimming and then didn't have the pride to reread things completely until just now.
[[WMG: The current living players will join together into one unified session.]]
Combine the kids, the Alpha kids, and the six living trolls into one epic SBURB/SGRUB session. Each of the twelve known elements would be represented (the kids are Breath, Light, Time and Space, the Alpha kids are suspected to be Life, Hope, Heart and Void and the remaining trolls include Blood, Doom, Rage and Mind. Aradia and Kanaya would serve as extra heroes of Time/Space because they are two of the most crucial elements for the game's success). Also, there would then be fourteen players from three separate sessions playing together - yet another 413.
* Trolls from the point of view of the game don't seemingly count, although the Beta Kids do.
** Jossed unless Sollux changes his mind and rejoins Rose, Dave, and the other trolls.
*** '''Jossed'''
* Partially confirmed at least with Jane & Jake outright stated to be the heroes of Hope & Life and with Dirk & Roxy heavily hinted to be the heroes of Heart & Void, respectively.
[[WMG: The God-Tier Kids are the "Ancestors" in the Alpha Session]]
Jake received his bunny from his Grandma, and we already know that he's Jade's grandson. A Scratch switches heroes and ancestors, so presumably when the God-Tier kids showed up, the universe saw no need to create new instances of the previous session's heroes and just dropped the ones they already had into the "ancestor" roles.
* If this is true, a likely consequence would be that Jane (probably) will only clone four babies in the ectobilogy lab (after scanning the God-Tier kids and mixing their genes), since the ancestors were already created in another session.
** The Kids are going to the Session, not Earth. Moreover; Alpha John (and perhaps Jade) is seemingly dead on Earth and that makes no sense in light of his Immortality.
** '''Jossed''': All of the items (excepting the Sassacre tome) are in-universe duplicates, and the Guardians are unrelated to the four heroes of the beta session.
*** While it's extremely likely that Jane's "slightly abridged" copy of Sassacre's is a duplicate, it's too soon to completely close the door on everything else.
*** The Bunny is a repeat, the hat is a repeat, the Book is separate, Cal presumably is separate, and the rest of the items were things like pistols, and Mutie, which haven't been seen yet.
[[WMG: The other planets in Betty Crocker's "multi-global empire" are the planets Jade brought from the Beta session.]]
Assuming the Kids ended up on Alpha Earth, Jade probably put the planets somewhere nearby, and Alpha Earth discovered and colonized them.
* Did you see the opening flash? There clearly aren't planets. Moreover, Jade's plan is to go to the session, not Earth. What's more likely is that the Empress and/or the new First Guardian manipulated Humans to go to space.
* I have a feeling 'multi-global' just refers to the fact that the Betty Crocker empire exists on Beta Earth and Alternia as well as Alpha Earth.
** '''Jossed''': It actually just refers to the Mars colony.
[[WMG: On Alpha Earth, Betty Crocker is Feferi.]]
It's been suggested that Betty Crocker is The Condesce, and a Scratch appears to cause the heroes and ancestors to switch places. Maybe that's why Jane Crocker is such a Betty Crocker fangirl, while Nanna had nothing but contempt for The Batterwitch?
* Unlikely; Betty Crocker disappeared suddenly on Beta Earth, so it just makes more logical sense for her to be on Alpha Earth than for Feferi to have come back to life somehow.
** Not back to life -- the adult Feferi from the pre-Scratch troll universe is a separate person.
* It made more sense before we started to get an idea that Alpha!BC is pretty sinister too, given the [[Main/SubliminalSeduction subliminal messages]] in her ads.[[note]]Alpha!Jane's probably just more brainwashed than Beta!Nanna was. I'd say it's a matter of better technology to do so by Jane's time, but I'm not sure that makes sense given that HIC works for a time-traveling demon. (Hence Beta!BC's ability to send a music video that came out between 4/13/09 and 11/11/11 to Dave.)[[/note]]
* '''Jossed''': She's the Empress.
[[WMG: The Alpha-Earth is a CrapsaccharineWorld.]]
Look at Alternia, which went from being a loving, peaceful planet to, well... Alternia. Also, there are a few possible hints already; Jane, a 15 year-old girl, is not allowed to leave her own house? And is the heir to the empire run by a woman hinted to be either an EldritchAbomination or a RubberForeheadAlien [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Empress]] bent on conquering the universe. She also mentions "dealing with the low income bucolic classes," implying a possible strong caste system similar to that of the trolls. Meanwhile, AdventureArchaeologist Jake English would "give your RIGHT LEG for a shot at desecrating THE SH*T out of some real life MYSTIC RUINS" (not too strange for a 15-year-old boy, but still noteworthy) as well as keeps guns around in piles and apparently deals with "FRIGHTENING FAUNA" on a semi-normal basis.
* Jane was being overly poetic to refer to the fact that she's a bit of a rich snob. Also Jake lives completely alone; Jade had uranium all over the place which is arguably even more dangerous.
* Betty Crocker advertisements have [[SubliminalSeduction subliminal messages]] straight out of ''Film/TheyLive''. This isn't a CrapsaccharineWorld, this is a VillainWorld.
* Also, the Mars Colony poster shows the [[TheMothership Imperial Condesce's flagship]] in the sky above Mars.
** '''Jossed''': Pretty much everything we've seen so far shows that it may be a bit more crazy, but it's more or less the same. While propaganda is spewed by most of Crockercorp, who holds enough leverage to get Guy Fieri appointed Chief Justice, Strider and Lalonde's reactions show that most people are GenreSavvy enough to pick up that it is ObviouslyEvil.
*** We don't know at all what the general public thinks. All of the kids are poor examples of the average Joe, and it's pretty clear that Crockercorp controls the media.
*** This is even more the case after [S] Jane: Enter.
[[WMG: Jane and Jake are Derse dreamers]]
Jake mentions the "regrettable REALNESS ATTRIBUTE" of "FRIGHTENING FAUNA", and his bedspread has images that seem to be horrorterrors on them. It seems to me that he is probably awake on Derse already. Jane would also be a Derse dreamer in order to pair her with Jake the way John and Jade were paired. Incidentally (this part isn't about alpha!homestuck, should it be moved?) This would indicate that the scratch flips dreamers. If that's the case, it is possible that the Sufferer could remember because horrorterrors saved his (Dersite) dream self during the scratch, and it was then superimposed on his sub-conscience.
* It's not the horrorterrors on Jake's bed; it's the Trolls' lusii. Look closer.
* '''Jossed'''; Jane has discussed waking up on Prospit and seeing Jake sleeping there.
[[WMG: The God-Tier Kids will manipulate events from behind the scenes to ensure that the Alpha Kids' session goes smoothly]]
It seems like the best thing they could do at this point.
* '''Jossed''': They're going to outright meet up.
[[WMG: Jane's not going to be the player.]]
In her place will be her father, seeing as it's ''his'' computer, and thus he is more likely to reach it before Jane. In this case, with the switched roles, Jane will be the one to die in Mr. Crocker's place. Also, it works if you consider this- Since this is a "Guardian Session", this means that the guardians of the players would be playing the game, and guess who was raising John?
* By this logic, shouldn't Godcat, counterpart of Bec, be a player in place of Jake?
* As incredibly unlikely as this is, this shipper would like to see this happen, if only because Jane dying for Dad would mean he'd still be around in three years when Alpha Mom/Roxy turns eighteen.
** This also fufills the ''Heiress-Sans-Parent'' rung on the Echeladder. They never said how it'd be sans-parent, after all.
** Jossed via mistaken assumption; Jane has a dreamself, ergo she must be a player.
[[WMG: All guardians save Poppop will take on a more active role at one point in the Game.]]
Since Nanna (in the form of Nannasprite) was the only guardian to actually assist her respective child, This would likely be inverted for the Alpha session, where all the guardians are actively fighting alongside their children or take a much more active role in general instead of being the heroes of another story; since they're essentially better versions of the guardians, they have a higher rate of surviving and making an impact.
* Considering the pre-Scratch versions of the same characters will be outright players (including, presumably, John), that would be very, very odd. And Jake doesn't really have any kind of guardian, not even an equivalent to Bec; both Poppop Crocker and Jake's grandma are, presumably, dead.
** If you mean they're going to be fighting while alive that's going to be kind of hard since Poppop!John and Nanna!Jade died of old age and if Dirk is right about Dave!Bro and Rose!Mom being dead.
*** Thus, Jossed.
[[WMG:The current events, with all the Alpha kids dying like flies, are a doomed timeline.]]
They're dying so easily because they're getting blindsided. Killed in their sleep (with ''deudly peanuts''), stabbed in the back, explosive-rigged mailbox, whatever. All stuff that only works because it comes as a surprise. All stuff that's easily preventable once a fully-fledged Knight of Time is in the game. Sure, Dave isn't there ''yet'', but once he is, time is his oyster, so he can go back and pull an 'I am already here'. Lord English isn't the only guy with time powers, biatch.
* Tenatively Jossed by the fact that Time powers don't work like that; Dave has to follow his own preordained path, and since the deaths seemingly are not a part of that, he can't correct them without causing a timeline split. Moreover his powers are primarily combat oriented according to Aradia.
[[WMG: Jane died because it was a doomed timeline, the Pre-Scratch kids will arrive just in time to fix it and allow her to live.]]
Although this is a bit on the unlikely side, as nobody was even in the Medium yet, and Dave had only been able to avert doomed timelines from within the Medium... But not impossible, given Dave's God Tier status.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Alpha!Dave remembers the Beta Universe.]]
Just like The Signless in the Troll session. Which is why [[InsaneTrollLogic he didn't get a montage in the Cascade video.]]
* ...He was in every scene with Rose in it, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint I think that counts as a montage.]]
** I think that's referring to the scenes seen through the fenstrated wall, as mentioned above, but it's more likely a coincidence.
*** Who knows, he's dead! Also the Sufferer was unique.
[[WMG: Bro's original fetish was robots, not puppets]]
However, when he was young, robotics were both too expensive and not advanced enough to meet his desires, so he latched onto puppets as the next best thing, and grew into it through his life. D. Strider, being born later and having money from his brother's movies, was able to build robots to his heart's desire.
* Doubtful; Dirk is as into puppets as Bro was.
[[WMG: The style of speech that's popular switched along with the kids/ ancestors in the Alpha Session.]]
* Both Jane and Jake use very outdated slang by our standards, but it would have been in vogue during the youths of their Beta counterparts, Nanna Egbert and Grandpa Harley.
** Lalonde and Strider don't talk like that, though. Possibly jossed with Jake's admission that "Im not really abreast of the raddest jargon that the cool kids toss about these days. Maybe because i live alone on an island?"
*** And worth noting that what Jake does use is rather SophisticatedAsHell.
[[WMG: UU is the descendant of Exiles]]
Her grey skin is the result of the blending of Prospitan and Dersite white and black, and her horns are just a cosplay outfit. This would explain why she has access to an exile terminal. Nothing has ever said that a universe can only spawn via Sburb once, and it would explain why it's important for exiles to reseed a planet after it's been scourged by the Reckoning.
* Alien blood colors = Troll
** Does it now? What about Snowman's blue blood?
*** Snowman is a very special exception. Besides, she and her brother both have alien blood colors and haven't demonstrated ''any'' of the properties Snowman did, so it's safe to say they do genuinely have alien blood colors as they're trolls. At any rate, '''Jossed''' for another reason; Exile hands do not look like UU's. They either have 5 distinct fingers or claws.
[[WMG: The heroes of Time and Space who enter the Alpha Session will be Aradia and Kanaya.]]
This is based on very little evidence, but, hey, it says 'Wild Mass Guessing' at the top of the page. Possible evidence:
* The fates of the kids are often deliberate reversals of their ancestors' fates (Mindfang kills Redglare, Dualscar kills the Dolorosa, Summoner fated to kill Mindfang, etc). Given that the Handmaid was apparently destined to be killed by the Condesce, and given how strongly it's been implied that Crocker is either the Condesce or is thematically linked to her, it'd be appropriate for Aradia to face off against her in the new universe.
* Jane's recipe modus hinted at a possible way to create a new Matriorb (reverse-engineering Dad's hat), which would be a neat way for Kanaya to perpetuate the troll race despite Eridan's best efforts.
* An obvious objection is that UU refers to the 'legendary octet of mutual progenitoriety'. One possible way around this might be that the trolls created the original Beta Session, which makes them 'progenitors' of the original kids and, by extension, the Alpha kids too. Admittedly, it seems likely that this is over thinking things, but you can never be quite sure with Homestuck.
** "Mutual Progenitoriety" as in the eight that allowed for alpha session to happen? Well there are a number of ways that the four kids fit that definition as for the trolls. Karkat and Kanaya made the kids flawed universe, Gamzee ended up making the flaw but then who Aradia or Terezi have either of them influnced the creation of the alpha universe?
*** Mutual progenitoreity refers to how the Beta kids and the Alpha crew are respectively the each other's ectobiological parents.
*** And thus, presumably Dave and Jade will be the new session's Time and Space heroes.
* Jossed as Aradia stays at the Green Sun.
[[WMG: All four of these Alpha children are decoys.]]
Hussie is building these children up to be important characters, having them contact trolls, know everything that's wrong with their world, give them an entire empire... only to be killed the minute they enter the Medium. Four completely new kids who have no idea of what they're doing will be chosen in their stead, as Skaianet doesn't take kindly to All-knowing Players. The box is still going to be delivered, but by convoluted weird time shit and this session's version of PM.\\
This is going to be [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Jossed]] anyway, but it was worth a shot.
* [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006182 One down.]] Three more to go.
** The start of the bit with Hussiebot made this look [[http://webcomics.morganwick.com/2011/12/i-take-two-weeks-off-and-already-im-completely-rusty-with-these-webcomic-posts/ very likely]], that the Alpha session existed solely to establish Hussiebot's cruelty. But considering that the characters we just spent two years getting to know have just been consigned to an "intermission", it seems rather unlikely unless Act 6-2 introduces us to a whole new Alpha session; Jane is likely to survive somehow, just like she's presumably survived previous assassination attempts.
** Actually ''not''; kid's [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006297 long]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006298 gone]], now.
*** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006308 Nope.]] Probably.
* Prettty much Jossed.
[[WMG: Jailbreak and Problem Sleuth is the future of the Alpha Session]]
As evidenced by the pumpkin disappearifyings; Jake has been appearifying them from the past all along. The Problem Sleuth characters are all Exiles, while the Jailbreak characters are an evolved form of the Prospitians. Meanwhile, the Midnight Crew that's pestering Team Sleuth is the Alpha Session's version of the Derse agents.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: The assassination attempts were made to prevent Jane from playing Sburb.]]
Someone knew what was going on, apparently; if Jane played Sburb, then it would cause a chain of linking her other friends up to the game, therefore, in that person's mind, causing the meteors to come and destroy the Earth. To protect themselves and anyone else, they brought it upon themselves to kill her before she starts up the game; no Jane, no meteors, no Earth pieces floating around space. Simple as that.
* Jossed actually. The Condesce needed Jane to enter in order to bring her warship through to Earth.
[[WMG: The reason why Jane's survived so many assassination attempts thus far...]]
...is because the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006323 First Guardian]] has secretly watched over her her whole life, instead rather than Jake or Lalonde. (Not much to confirm here, just how long and how many attempts.)
* Jossed though; [=GCat=] watches over all the Alpha Kids equally.
[[WMG: God Cat is loyal to Lalonde the same way Bec is to Jade]]
It's entirely possible Jaspers helped create God Cat (with a possible BARK code somehow), but God Cat won't be prototyped and will instead be a vital ally in the Alpha session.
* Alternatively, it will be prototyped, but not a way that breaks the Session. Lalonde will then combine with it when she becomes the God Tiered Hero of Void; since Void has been shown to be the opposite of Space, it makes sense that the Void hero will merge with a cat just as the space hero merges with a dog.
** Why did it kill Jaspers then?
*** Perhaps it knew from the connection with Jadesprite etc. via the Green Sun that Jaspers has to end up dead and prototyped in th Beta session, so came to the conclusion that if he didn't die soon this wouldn't happen. Or perhaps it needed Roxy to get into the lab for some reason.
* '''Jossed''': If anything he's loyal to Rose. Jaspers was not that fond of Roxy.
[[WMG: Lalonde doesn't really believe the Batterwitch is out to get Jane]]
When Jane told her she now believed her, and apologised for doubting, Lalonde's reaction was "ur makin me feel like shit here", and then she changed the subject when asked why. It looks an awful lot like she's been subjected to ObliviousGuiltSlinging. Given that she's a Lalonde, and therefore a mistress of PassiveAggressiveKombat, it's possible her claims were purely to manipulate Jane for reasons as yet unknown.
* Very close; it turns out there was ObliviousGuiltSlinging, because Lalonde was trying to manufacture a fake assassination attempt to get Jane to believe her.
* Considering that Roxy blames Betty Crocker for her mom and Dirk's bro's deaths, this one is pretty unlikely.
** Jossed.
[[WMG: In the new session, a cancer troll doesn't exist.]]
There isn't a troll that corresponds with the cancer symbol (except maybe UU? but she's more of a replacement, or probably the Disciple) in the new session, because the Sufferer/Karkat and his blood color was an anomaly and was never meant to be, so the game just removed him, or the "cancer" of the broken session. The Alpha Trolls are decked out in Sufferer symbols because they found the Beta session, maybe the kids send out a message, and were completely fascinated, like how Kanaya was when she found Rose's walkthrough.
* UU's session doesn't correspond to both known Troll sessions at all.
** UU and uu are both not based on cancer, so Jossed.
[[WMG: Jane's CanNotSpitItOut to Jake is not of her own doing]]
Rather, as someone hinted elsewhere on this wiki, it is a result of the [[color:white:Cease Reproduction]] [[SubliminalSeduction command]] from her Crockercorp headgear prompting her to respond a certain way against her will.
* There may also be [[http://caddyl.tumblr.com/post/18052798187/i-dunno-guys-something-aint-right-with-janey some kind of cerulean influence]]- Vriska couldn't do it, but maybe someone else can.
** That implication is patently false; Vriska's mind control on humans was strictly limited to putting humans to sleep (and she couldn't even control the personalities of Trolls either, as Karkat demonstrated), so her doppelganger can't have that ability.
*** And Andrew directly jossed this one in a recent round of questions.
[[WMG: Who's in the lab with Roxy?]]
Place your bets!
* Another of Dirk's robots.
* Sawtooth
* An Imperial Drone
* Temporally displaced Roxy's Mom
* Dimensionally and temporally displaced Rose.
* Dimensionally and temporally displaced Rose's Mom.
* A member of the Felt.
* Lord English and his cuestick pegleg.
* Some caretaker Roxy has we weren't aware of.
* A carapace.
** Ding ding ding! We have a winner, but also a loser! There are tons of them!
* SURPRISE FANTROLL
* Giant cat mecha.
* Pounce de Leon, or some counterpart thereof.
* Calmasis.
* Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff.
[[WMG: Jane will not enter the medium by entering the usual way]]
As it looks right now, she has absolutely no interest in playing Sburb. While the Alpha Kids seem to know a lot, they don't seem to know about the meteors. So her house will just be asploded by a meteor. She'll live with the lifey thing, and dad will live by mangrit/dadness. Jane will eventually enter the medium by dying on her Earth quest bed...
All the players have quest beds on Earth somewhere. When Fedorafreak found a quest bed, that wasn't Fedorafreak's quest bed, that was just one of the kids'. So Jane enters last, and Dirk goes and has Jake enter, and then Roxy servers Dirk, thereby reversing the order from the Beta session?
Just a thought. At the moment, Jane probably has 11 hours:11 minutes:11 seconds to enter. When she finally gets around to opening the cruxtruder, she'd then have what, 1 minute 11 seconds left? There's no way she'd have enough time left.
* Continuing on this, nobody enters the regular way. Roxy enters through the void, Dirk just sits around with one self entered and one self on Earth, and I can't come up with anything for Jake. Something Lord Englishy? If there aren't any lands in the Alpha Session because Jade is bringing the Beta sessions', this would resolve none of them being able to enter on their lands.
** None of them have entered yet. Roxy has gone into it and come back out, but entry specifically means doing something with a Cruxite item. Dreamselves especially don't count as entry, as awakening a dreamself prior to entry is fairly common. According to the Frog Temples as well, they all have lands.
* I wasn't saying that Roxy officially entered yet, I was saying that if she was unable to enter the Cruxite item way, she could just float in through the void.
* Confirmed / Jossed, depending on what you define as "normal." Jane entered when her timer ran out. She did not do a pre-entry prototyping nor interact with her prototyping item to enter. No meteor impacted her site when the clock ran down (though the Battleship Condescension reentered over her house). However, she did enter by following the normal steps using the pre-punched card, so...
** The Title of the WMG was confirmed but ''everything else'' about it is Jossed.
[[WMG: Jane is going to become a FutureBadass]]
There WAS a TimeSkip after she entered the game, after all; technically speaking, she was in the game for that entire time, and it seems we'll be picking up only after it. That means she'll have YEARS to figure out the ropes, grind against random imps, alchemize increasingly awesome items, etc.
* There was not a TimeSkip; Dirk and Roxy live in the future. From the perspective of Sburb, they're all operating on San Dimas time.
[[WMG: Jane prototyped herself just as she was entering the game]]
If you notice, she was glowing blue, with blue dots floating around, and the kernelsprite only a few inches behind her. Maybe [=GodCat=] wanted her to prototype herself by accident?
* Her house was glowing blue too. Seemingly just a side effect of entry which helps visually show that a location is entering.
[[WMG: Roxy, Dirk, and maybe Jake were sent to the future.]]
We know that Jake has to be in the present because we've seen him run around his island before it was submerged. While it's possible to sendificate, transportalize, and appearify across time and universes as well as space, the blurring glow as Dirk and Roxy exit to the surface may have indicates a time travel effect.
* {{Jossing}} my own entry here. [[http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/18973262678/s-jane-enter Hussie has said on tumblr]] that Dirk and Roxy were living in the future all along.
[[WMG: There are 12 "Anti-Trolls", and uranianUmbra is one of them.]]
It would make sense: all the kids in Alpha session are inverts of the kids in beta session, so rather than being trolls the aliens would be the opposites of the trolls from Hivebent. UU is definitely the opposite of Karkat so far. They probably aren't even called trolls or anything like that. They're probably named after the fantasy opposite: [[OurElvesAreBetter Elves.]]
* UU's race is the perfect combo of the pre- and post-scratch Troll race -- compassionate ''and'' effective. Or to use various Something Awful theories, UU's race is the pre-scratch Trolls themselves in some sort of moebius ''quadruple'' reach-around to trap Lord English in the same four universes for some reason.
** There are at least 2, and possibly 3 Trolls in UU's session, so we're on the way towards it.
* ''Jossed''. Only 2.
[[WMG: UU will go overboard with themes]]
Her cheerhandle and caduceus symbol refer to Ophiuchus ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astrological_traditions,_types,_and_systems an alternative zodiac]]), [[Franchise/SailorMoon Uranus]], uranium, [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Hermes/Mercury]], [[TheMedic medicine]] (although that's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius a different symbol]]), and the snake in the EasternZodiac. That's a lot of symbolism for one player; if she's part of a group that's like six QuirkyMinibossSquad[=s=] in one and that's assuming there's eleven or twelve more of them.
* What if the new batch of trolls do have the Eastern Zodiac as their theme?
** If there's 11 more, no problem. If a version of the Beta Trolls are with UU then "Vriska's" spider/scorpion or "Karkat's" crab can replace the traditional odd-one-out, [[FruitsBasket the cat]].
*** Trolls that already correspond: Equius-horse, Nepeta-tiger, Tavros-Ox/Bull, Aradia-ram, Terezi-Dragon, UU-snake. Unattached: dog, rooster, monkey, rat, rabbit, pig, and cat; Karkat, Kanaya, Feferi, Sollux, and Vriska; Eridan and Gamzee can stand in for the dragon (sea horse) and ram (goat), respectively.
** Jossed. There's two and they're both loosely related to the same sign.
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[[WMG: Bec would not have ''thought'' to laser Jade's meteor without getting prototyped.]]
It's stated that creatures such as Bec and Doc Scratch are nigh-omnipotent, but it requires a suitable intellect for them to be nigh-omniscient -- an intellect which a dog's brain clearly does not provide. I submit that Bec was always ''capable'' of producing a [[WaveMotionGun meteor-destroying energy beam]], but wasn't actually aware of it until he prototyped himself. We know prototyping gives the resulting sprite information about the game (from Davesprite), and it gives them the ability to talk (from the Trolls' session), presumably so that they can share said information with the players. So it would make sense that prototyping could give Bec enough of an intellect boost to grant him the base necessary for his nigh-omniscience, and subsequent knowledge of the full range of his powers.
It's stated that creatures such as Bec and Doc Scratch are nigh-omnipotent, but it requires a suitable intellect for them to be nigh-omniscient -- an intellect which a dog's brain clearly does not provide. I submit that Bec was always ''capable'' of producing a [[WaveMotionGun meteor-destroying energy beam]], but wasn't actually aware of it until he prototyped himself. We know prototyping gives the resulting sprite information about the game (from Davesprite), and it gives them the ability to talk (from the Trolls' session), presumably so that they can share said information with the players. So it would make sense that prototyping could give Bec enough of an intellect boost to grant him the base necessary for his nigh-omniscience, and subsequent knowledge of the full range of his powers.
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[[WMG: First Guardians]]
I was reading back and found a couple odd things about First Guardians.
1: Karkat (or someone) mentions that every planet has a First Guardian, but it seems that First Guardians are created within a session. So what exactly does this mean? Was whoever said this wrong or is it possible that each and every planet has a chance at the game?
2: The use of the word Guardian in their name. Guardian is also used to refer to a lusus or a parent within the story. So I take it that the First Guardians are sort of a lusus to the planet as a whole basically. Since Guardians tend to die in or before the session I wonder if the First Guardian dying is supposed to happen as well? Bec seems to die in a sense, but Doc Scratch seemed fine. Though the trolls never got to complete their game and Doc Scratch wants to die, so maybe.
3: Doc Scratch is the First Guardian of Alternia, but according he says that prior to the Alternian Scratch he wasn't a part of that world. Now if whoever said that every planet has a First Guardian is right, this means there was a different First Guardian on the Pre-Scratch Alternia.
* Doc Scratch didn't look particularly fine after Hussie got through with him...
** Which is why he pissed off Hussie, only the author can kill an omnipotent being that easily... which allowed Lord English to take over his body, which is the reason he wanted to die... So I suppose he pissed him off on purpose?
* Jossed on a couple levels here:
** Every planet with sentient life that is able to play Sburb has a First Guardian. It seems some necessary level of technology needs to be reached, at least one of instant electronic communication and relative social stability, as Victorian England didn't play Sburb nor the tumultuous warlike Alternian culture before the relatively static modern trolls.
** There was no First Guardian for Pre-Scratch Alternia, which is partially ''why'' they had to Scratch.
** First Guardians however are pretty close to being a Guardian for the universe.
I was reading back and found a couple odd things about First Guardians.
1: Karkat (or someone) mentions that every planet has a First Guardian, but it seems that First Guardians are created within a session. So what exactly does this mean? Was whoever said this wrong or is it possible that each and every planet has a chance at the game?
2: The use of the word Guardian in their name. Guardian is also used to refer to a lusus or a parent within the story. So I take it that the First Guardians are sort of a lusus to the planet as a whole basically. Since Guardians tend to die in or before the session I wonder if the First Guardian dying is supposed to happen as well? Bec seems to die in a sense, but Doc Scratch seemed fine. Though the trolls never got to complete their game and Doc Scratch wants to die, so maybe.
3: Doc Scratch is the First Guardian of Alternia, but according he says that prior to the Alternian Scratch he wasn't a part of that world. Now if whoever said that every planet has a First Guardian is right, this means there was a different First Guardian on the Pre-Scratch Alternia.
* Doc Scratch didn't look particularly fine after Hussie got through with him...
** Which is why he pissed off Hussie, only the author can kill an omnipotent being that easily... which allowed Lord English to take over his body, which is the reason he wanted to die... So I suppose he pissed him off on purpose?
* Jossed on a couple levels here:
** Every planet with sentient life that is able to play Sburb has a First Guardian. It seems some necessary level of technology needs to be reached, at least one of instant electronic communication and relative social stability, as Victorian England didn't play Sburb nor the tumultuous warlike Alternian culture before the relatively static modern trolls.
** There was no First Guardian for Pre-Scratch Alternia, which is partially ''why'' they had to Scratch.
** First Guardians however are pretty close to being a Guardian for the universe.
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I was reading back and found a couple odd things about First Guardians.
1: Karkat (or someone) mentions that every planet has a First Guardian, but it seems that First Guardians are created within a session. So what exactly does this mean? Was whoever said this wrong or is it possible that each and every planet has a chance at the game?
2: The use of the word Guardian in their name. Guardian is also used to refer to a lusus or a parent within the story. So I take it that the First Guardians are sort of a lusus to the planet as a whole basically. Since Guardians tend to die in or before the session I wonder if the First Guardian dying is supposed to happen as well? Bec seems to die in a sense, but Doc Scratch seemed fine. Though the trolls never got to complete their game and Doc Scratch wants to die, so maybe.
3: Doc Scratch is the First Guardian of Alternia, but according he says that prior to the Alternian Scratch he wasn't a part of that world. Now if whoever said that every planet has a First Guardian is right, this means there was a different First Guardian on the Pre-Scratch Alternia.
* Doc Scratch didn't look particularly fine after Hussie got through with him...
** Which is why he pissed off Hussie, only the author can kill an omnipotent being that easily... which allowed Lord English to take over his body, which is the reason he wanted to die... So I suppose he pissed him off on purpose?
* Jossed on a couple levels here:
** Every planet with sentient life that is able to play Sburb has a First Guardian. It seems some necessary level of technology needs to be reached, at least one of instant electronic communication and relative social stability, as Victorian England didn't play Sburb nor the tumultuous warlike Alternian culture before the relatively static modern trolls.
** There was no First Guardian for Pre-Scratch Alternia, which is partially ''why'' they had to Scratch.
** First Guardians however are pretty close to being a Guardian for the universe.
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[[WMG: Maplehoof is the First Guardian of this session.]]
From what one can infer from [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006249 this update]], Lord English seems to take on the form of what the general consensus' vision of Death looks like. Therefore, it should stand to reason that the First Guardian would be vision of the forebringer of Death in myths. One of these particular visions on Earth is a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_horsemen_of_the_apocalypse rider]] on a very ''pale white horse''.
Also, Maplehoof doesn't have any eyes to speak of, much like Bec.
* {{Jossed}}. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006323 Alpha!Earth's First Guardian is a cat]].
** Double {{Jossed}}. Maplehoof shows up as a miniature pony living with Dirk Strider.
From what one can infer from [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006249 this update]], Lord English seems to take on the form of what the general consensus' vision of Death looks like. Therefore, it should stand to reason that the First Guardian would be vision of the forebringer of Death in myths. One of these particular visions on Earth is a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_horsemen_of_the_apocalypse rider]] on a very ''pale white horse''.
Also, Maplehoof doesn't have any eyes to speak of, much like Bec.
* {{Jossed}}. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006323 Alpha!Earth's First Guardian is a cat]].
** Double {{Jossed}}. Maplehoof shows up as a miniature pony living with Dirk Strider.
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[[WMG: Diamonds Droog/Draconian Dignity knows the most about Lord English and his plans]]
Since "Cuestick Genius" is part of his Leitmotif.
[[WMG: Draconian Dignitary is secretly an agent for Lord English]]
It's why he paradox-cloned Bec.
* Jossed.
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[[WMG: Diamonds Droog/Draconian Dignity knows the most about Lord English and his plans]]
Since "Cuestick Genius" is part of his Leitmotif.
Since "Cuestick Genius" is part of his Leitmotif.
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[[WMG: Rose succeeds in destroying the Green Sun, but Bec Noir retains Space powers due to Dream Jade's prototyping.]]
In [S] Wake and others, Noir is seen wielding space abilities without wearing sunglasses to protect his eyes from the Green Sun. Rose's plan works, and the Sun is destroyed, but because Jade is the Witch of Space, she has access to Space abilities without need of the Sun. As Dream Jade is still Jade, by transitive property, Noir will retain his Space powers after the Green Sun's demise, ditching the glasses as a sign he does not need to wear them.
* Pre-Jossed, based on factual error: Post-entry prototyping doesn't have an effect. Otherwise we'd have Nanna, Dave, and Jade-faced imps running around.
In [S] Wake and others, Noir is seen wielding space abilities without wearing sunglasses to protect his eyes from the Green Sun. Rose's plan works, and the Sun is destroyed, but because Jade is the Witch of Space, she has access to Space abilities without need of the Sun. As Dream Jade is still Jade, by transitive property, Noir will retain his Space powers after the Green Sun's demise, ditching the glasses as a sign he does not need to wear them.
* Pre-Jossed, based on factual error: Post-entry prototyping doesn't have an effect. Otherwise we'd have Nanna, Dave, and Jade-faced imps running around.
