This is a "Wild Mass Guess" entry, where we pull out all the sanity stops on theorizing. The regular entry on this topic is elsewhere. Please see this programme note.
Girls und Panzer
Kuromorimine's helicopter is not Maho's or Erika's to give.
When Maho offers to fly Saori and Mako back to Ooarai in their Focke-Angelis, Erika's protest is something like "we can't just give the helicopter to a bunch of kids" - because it isn't theirs, it belongs to the school and they're effectively leasing it. Maybe KMM have a "bring the helicopter back by 10pm" sort of policy. Erika's worried about getting in trouble for an unauthorized use of the school's helicopter. Maho's response: "this is also a part of tankery" is both a commentary on chivalry and also how she plans to get them off the hook: by burying it in paperwork.
Erika and Miho used to be friends or at least cordial.
But Erika is so victory-obsessed that she disavowed her friendship with Miho after Miho's altruism cost them the finals. It certainly makes the scene in the Tank Cafe even more of a kick in the guts for Miho, and possibly explains Erika's seeming special loathing of Miho.
Saori and Hana made friends with Miho according to The Plan by Anzu.
Their instant close friendship strains belief a little in Episode 1, and Anzu regularly suggests 'Everything is going according to plan'.
It could be supported by how things aren't nearly as smooth with Miho's friend group in "Little Army", and how Saori once comments that she's succeeded in "picking up" Miho. Then again, Saori and Hana argue against pressuring Miho into participating although it could also be a case of Saori and Hana Becoming the Mask, or not being told why they're doing it.
Maho Nishizumi is behind the mysterious threat to Oarai Academy if they fail at the Tournament
Its an attempt to get her sister back into sensha-do
Look at her entry in the Characters page. Focus on "Genius Ditz." Tactical genius, anyone?
All schools are on gigantic aircraft carriers
Because of huge overcrowding on the Japanese mainland.
That would imply that the series is set in a near future where the trend toward aging and eventual decline of the Japanese population has been dramatically reversed.
Or an alternate timeline where there was no decline in birthrate. The school assembly hall is pretty full in Episode 1.
From the "russian" four-pointed star on the Pravda uniforms it seems that the series takes place in the Strike Witches universe. Probably there's still enough of Neuroi threat remains to base schools on land.
Or the Neuroi are gone, but did leave some poisonous shiat behind as a scorched earth tactic.
Confirmed by the third OVA. While elementary schools are still on land, high schools are all on school ships. Not because of overcrowding, but because they make for a better learning environment. And the concept has existed since the Roman empire!
Miho, even though she came from a sensha-do family, never really liked it until she came to Oarai
"For the first time, I'm enjoying Tankery"
— Miho, Episode 2.
The prequel manga "Little Army" featuring Miho in elementary shows otherwise.
To elaborate, much of it involves her developing a group of friends with whom she could do it, something she lacked for much of her childhood. Later chapters, however, go into her questioning why she is doing Tankery, and she seems to come to an answer- it's something she can do together with others- although the incident at the championship likely shook her resolve in the same way as getting a glimpse of Maho's aloof side did.
Because of the near-drowning, Miho is claustrophobic.
She cannot stay in a buttoned up tank, so she almost constantly has her head out of the tank. Yes it does improve situational awareness, but that's not her real reason.
Jossed: It wasn't her tank in the water, but a teammate's.
Interestingly enough, in Little Army, it's indicated that whenever Miho is feeling troubled, she secludes herself inside a tank, resulting in Maho having to coax her out.
Miho states in the first episode "I was always called unreliable at my last school." There must have been a rather serious case of constant harassment and bullying by Erica and others back at Black Forest Peak, possibly because a mere freshman was being made vice-commander. Maho might have been involved (possibly misinterpreting it as good natured teasing?), but she was more likely unaware. Miho's lack of self confidence and clumsiness shown in the first episode have to be from a long campaign of wearing her self confidence down. The harassment and bullying brought about the incident where Miho's tank fell in the ocean and she nearly drowned. Possibly other crew mates were not so lucky as Miho. Maho's cold shoulder is because she blames herself for what happened. She still cares, but doesn't know how to show it. (the helicopter offer is proof). The end result is Miho is suffering, rather badly, from PTSD, which her new friends are only partially compensating for.
Slightly Jossed — it wasn't Miho's tank that fell in the water.
Black forest school will pull out even bigger guns in finals
They use Panzer IV (late war) and Tiger I as their standard issue but in There Is No Kill Like Overkill moment before finals they will pull out full Tiger I lineup with Tiger II (Königstiger) or Maus as their flag tank.
Not everyone use their most powerful tank in the flag role. Oarai's flag tank, for example, is Student Council's Pz.38(t), which is on the weaker side.
Oarai doesn't have any tank that can take too much punishment so they chose a lighter and more agile tank which still has some armor (I-Go's armor is at risk even if you spit on it), on the other hand even Black forest's Tiger I can deflect most of the incoming fire without penetration and Tiger II (with production turret) is almost impossible to penetrate unless you get lucky from point blank range (at least with the weapons Ooarai has) and Maus goes even further.
Ironically, in their match with Pravda (who field an absolutely devastating 122-mm D-25T on their IS-2 and positively enormous bunker-busting 152-mm M-10 howitzer on KV-2), Oarai uses I-Go for a flag tank, invalidating your logic. If anything, they should've put it on a B1 bis, as it can take a serious punishment, but they still put their flag on that wet-cardboard-armored sloth. It's possible that the flag tanks are assigned at random.
Episode 5, Saunders select their flag tank. So, perhaps, in Oarai's case, it's least useful tank that they don't suffer loss of firepower from?
Well against 122 mm you really don't want to get hit no matter which tank you use so in that case you use an option (as colleague above pointed out) which limits your offensive capabilities the least. I-Go has the least effective gun due to extremely low muzzle velocity an if they use Type 89A it is completely useless in these weather conditions due to the engine.
Makes sense, indeed.
For what (little) is worth, they use a late model Type89B Otsu (recognisable for the turret), whose diesel engine was maybe the only thing worth saving. It's still a worthless tank that doesn't hurt the team's capabilities by not being actively used.
But the fight is so impressive that whatever group is threatening to shut the school down agrees to let it keep going. Potential reconciliation with one of the mothers (either Miho's or Hana's, although it looks like they might be setting up for the latter one at the end of the Pravda match anyways) is optional.
Hana does, in fact reconcile with her mother after the match with Pravda, by showing her that tankery has improved her flower arrangement.
A serious possibility - the choice of topic means that the usual cheap Deux Ex Machinas are unavailable, and it is hard to write a plausible scenario of them winning. However, Sensha-do is supposedly being strengthened in hopes of doing well in international level competition. A scout with brains is likely to understand that while piling on the equipment against poorly funded schools might work at Highschool level, every national team will be well-equipped and then what will win fights are not a bunch of jokers that keep missing (which BF will do in Ep11) and need to be instructed on exactly what to do (in the PV for Ep11, Maho resorted to personally directing Tank #11 to engage Oarai's Hetzer).
She trained in the Nishizumi style herself, and thinks Miho is better at training than she is.
Moeyo Sensha Gakkou and Girls und Panzer take place in the same universe.
Both involve Schoolgirls in Tanks as a normal thing.
Sailor-fuku to Jūsensha might also belong.
Why Momo always misses.
She needs corrective glasses so she is either near sighted, or far sighted, but only wears one lens as a monocle because it looks cool, So she has no depth perception and as such she always misses.
Inverted: Momo has perfect eyesight in both eyes (Lasik, maybe?), but she chose to keep her old prescription glasses in the form of her improvised monocole. Must have been a very strong prescription if it screws with her vision that badly.
Girls und Panzer universe
Some time in the past, for some reason maybe globe sea levels rose (which happened any way but may not have been the cause), oil ran out, or some other reasons World War III broke out.
Now this was not a quick war by any stretch of the imagination whole generations went by in a rolling ceaseless combat in the end the nations had to start drafting women and since women are (generally speaking) less strong as men it was decided to make tank crews mostly female and men were given positions in the infantry all the nations did this explain the universal fascination of tank combat among women.
But even that wasn't enough and the war went on still for generations, whole generations where born with the war raging, and died of old age it still going on. Inevitable perhaps, then the war went atomic.
All sides won, all sides lost in a fury of mutual destruction and all that where left were scattered bands of survivors who banded together into a semblance of government
Obviously Girls und panzer takes place a LONG time after that war so the planet has recovered (at least where the humans live) and human civilization is pretty much fine as well.
This explains where the giant city carriers come from (left over from the war), why they're always at sea, (keep this generation away from radiation hot spots or you won't have a next generation), how tank driving can be a hobby among girls (left over attitude from the War), how tanks can be economical, (who knows how far in the future this takes place and what new production methods they have) and how it can be safe (it the future).
The war was called "The 200 Years War".
The start of atomic warfare in that conflict was called "Ragnarök", "Götterdämmerung" or "The Days of the Burning Heavens".
World War 1 went much longer then expected !
This explains why girls ride tanks in this universe instead of men.
The supplementary material states that tanks were invented in 1920 and were designed for women to drive instead of men. This is because when tanks were finally invented the first world war had stretched out year longer then it did in our world. Women were drafted into the military but the attitude of protecting women still endured. The idea was suggested that perhaps they could combat in a situation where physical strength would be less needed, not as GI's in the dirty trenches but as delicate flowers behind several inches of steel. This put the men of the time at ease, believing that their women were safe but still in battle with them. After the war tank driving became a sport however until World War 2 which went as scheduled.
Slight correction: Senshado as a sport was created in the 1920's, not tanks, indicating that tanks existed prior to that.
Also, Rommel existed in the GUP universe, so that's at least one man who was heavily involved with tanks.
Also also, Saori hopes that their instructor will be male, so it is possible that men drive tanks in the armed services. Either that or Saori is just ignorant.
Every anime with a high school takes place on a air craft carrier.
we just never zoom out enough to see it
Maho was crewing the tank that fell into the water, and she was saved by Miho.
She acts cold towards Miho because she feels guilty over causing Miho to throw the match.
Jossed. It was a different team entirely.
Not entirely. A variant of this WMG will say what was saved was not quite Maho's life, but her reputation and place in the Nishizumi household. The way the scene played out, one can actually infer Black Forest was losing last year's fight. Miho is cautious about Pravda's ambush tactics; we might infer she (as well as BF) has been bitten last year by it. More importantly it'll explain why Miho's flagtank was running (escaping?) with two tanks along a narrow mountain road. If Miho had stayed in her tank as per Nishizumi doctrine, primary blame for the defeat (as well as the deaths of a tank crew) would go to Maho as team captain. Fortunately(?), Miho jumped out of the tank, Shiho's warped attention focused there... and Maho forever feels guilty for it.
Interestingly enough, Emi, when calling out Maho on shooting her older sister's flag tank when it was doing the same thing Miho was doing (but for the enemy, rather than a teammate), says Maho's team would have won anyway. Perhaps Pravda would have won if not for Miho's decision, and she was merely being scapegoated (I suspect by Erika and Shiho more than Maho); it seems more likely that her departure as tank commander and vice-captain threw the tank into disarray, leaving them vulnerable, rather than leaving the tank unable to move or defend itself. Another theory is that Maho is inwardly ashamed that Miho would sacrifice victory to save another person while she took advantage of Emi's sister's team trying to save one of her teammates.
Little Army seems to suggest that Maho has occasionally acted cold to Miho for years, and it is implied to be because she is trying to be the ideal Nishizumi heir so Miho does not have to be. The main variable seems to be who, if anyone, is watching.
The last tank crew are 'defectors' from Miho's old school
They haven't even been seen in the background, and the brief glimpse of them in the opening credits almost looks like they are being introduced to the class, like transfer students would. They could have easily decided to leave Black Forest due to badmouthing somebody they admired for risking her life for another tank crew, probably even were the crew of the tank that fell in the water. Given that they would probably experienced tankers and used to dealing with German designs, putting them in the Tiger would be a major uptick for the home team.
Jossed. They are WOT players.
The team name and members of the last two teams are already revealed
If you take a good look at the OP, you'll see that every team are introduced with their animal. (Ex: Angler fish phone chain for Team Miho, Turtle Laptop for Team Student Council) If you look at the blackboard behind three girls with the bunny ears, grey hair and eye-patch, you'll see that they are Team Anteater. While during the intro for the vehicle club you'll see the Lion sticker on the Mechanic's Creeper. Considering that we are introduced to the Vehicle Club already, it makes sense that the TIGER goes to the Lion Team.
Cofirmed.... except the third name. the third team is Leopon not Lion.
All the Oarai Panzer Teams are named after animals closest to their personality
Even though the names of the Team seems to be chosen by how the corresponding tank is shaped, the animals match the personalities of the operators very closely. Team Anguar-fish regularly use themselves as bait but they are very effective hunters; Rabbit Team panics easily and runs all over the place; Hippo Team are big and slow but they are deadly in their natural environment which are ambushes; Turtle team has been shown to be very slow to get into the battles; Finally Goose team have the knack to get into the enemy's blind spot in every single confrontation.
The closing of Oarai Academy is not directly dependent on victory in the tournament.
It would make NO sense that anything official would require a school to win a tournament it has not participated in for 20 years or more to remain open. More likely the school is threatened with closure in general, and this is a Zany Scheme by the Student Council to keep the school open: the Money and Prestige of winning the tournament would allow the school to remain open.
The initial idea was that GuP was actually evolved from the sport depicted in WoT, but the fact that it started about three years after tanks themselves were invented precluded that.
Basically: At some point in time, more and more men start partaking in Tankery, perhaps starting with mixed- or all-boys schools taking part in it, albeit because men are the "tougher gender", some safeties are removed - namely, the automatic white flag that raises when a tank is knocked out, simply because men are expected to be tougher. Things like the carbon liner and carefully managed ammunition are kept, just that what point a tank becomes "knocked out" changes (essentially, when the vehicle just sputters out completely and dies), though a hard enough hit will still rock a tank and hurt a crew member.
The Men's Tankery, though, generally is restricted to certain areas - because if they were given free reign over an area, there is no assurance that they would be as careful as their female counterparts, and would drive through walls and buildings if it meant they could continue fighting - hence, why so many World of Tanks battlefields take the form of destroyed cities, they're areas cordoned off and the people who lived their displaced in a hurry.
The presence of open-top and exposed crew vehicles indicates that people that they don't mind having die are present - regardless of the carbon coating, if a shell starts bouncing inside the crew compartment, someone will be hurt. Hence, open-topped vehicles are frequently manned by crews on death row or who volunteer for a higher paycheck at a greater risk. Experimental vehicles that keep showing up are a result of the Men's Tankery having more lax rules, as well as explaining the presence of post-WWII designs, the rules for Men's tankery becoming "No composite armor, and no smooth-bore guns" (as the Developers have stated for WoT), though exceptions are made as long as they use normal RHA steel.
Because of the increased lethality and presence of criminal crews, women are banned from partaking in Men's Tankery matches, hence the all-male crews.
One thing that would bugger that is that Sensha-dō have been defined for at least 80 years as a women's sport and is made out to be a shining example how women should be in the Panzerverse. Men doing Sensha-dō would have the same stigma as handing a man a WMBA Basketball or a boy playing with a My Little Pony Doll. It happens but people would look at you weird if you have that kind of interest. It would make more sense that after carbon lining was invented it would make ALL tanks, artillery, and anti-tank guns useless as weapons of war because after disabling the vehicle, everyone inside is still alive thus you would have two armies firing pot shots at each other from islands of disabled armored vehicles. So except for a few experimental battles here and there with tanks, it devolve to proxy war and then abandoned as a form of war completely and is opened to women just like Equestrian today.
Its worth noting that Saori did expect the tank instructor to be male for some reason.
Remember that with the exception of Miho and Yukari, none of the girls actually has any experience with tanks or Sensha-dō before joining the Elective. The Student Council President Probably just wanted to jerk her around considering her personality.
If there's something that Real Life has proven: 1. Some things that have gender stigmas don't always stay that way, and 2. the people who break the stigmas don't care how they're seen. The idea hinges on the idea that male crews semi-displace female ones in some areas because they're simply more interesting to watch (more aggressive tactics combined with a degree of fan service, depending on how reversed things are), and a significant number of them gather enough attention to justify broadcasting them, and it snowballs from there.
Social Stigma is a VERY VERY powerful obstacle. A woman who tries to go into a traditional male sport would receive a MASSIVE amount of resistance from men involved in that sport. A man trying to do a traditionally women's activity would receive an equal amount of resistance from the women but is also degraded by society as "unmanly", "gross", or homosexual. Sure there will be some boys who will have a great enough interest in Tankery to want to participate despite social norms but there will not be enough of them in a given school to fill out the 25 member minimum Tank Team let alone convincing a boy's/co-ed school to invest a few hundred thousand dollars to start up an experimental unit. Remember that in the Panzerverse Tankery is so traditionally a girl sport that it DRIVES boys away from girls whenever they talk about it. Quite frankly, Panzerverse is a very different world than WoT and other than the similar mix-country tank teams there is very little to connect them together.
The problem being that the idea this stigma even exists is extremely, extremely suspect. The show itself proves that in actual warfare tanks were operated by men with constant references to famous tank commanders. That being the case the idea that like everything else military and war related that tanks wouldn't be highly fetishised by men is really impossible to argue as the show also doesn't in any way support the idea that gender roles have shifted anything LIKE enough for the traits associated with tanks (power, force, violence) to not still be consider masculine 'virtues'. The girls act exactly like teenage girls with a slightly unusual hobby and there is just no indication of the radical shifts in gender identity that would be needed to support the idea that men would suddenly be repulsed by what amounts to a form of motorsport. You can't have it both ways; you can't have Rommel be a real and admired historic figure and have girls act like girls and then try and say that being fascinated by giant armor plated war machines or wanting to emulate war heroes is something that would have a male branded as a homosexual(!), that's completely bonkers. The only real explanation is that Tankery did indeed first catch on as an idea among women perhaps exactly BECAUSE it was counter-intuitive and was begun a feminist statement, and that since that time there was be a concerted, official effort to keep it 'pure' by deliberately excluding men. This of course then makes the entire thing hideously discriminatory, but it's really the only logical explanation.
adding to the above I propose a comprmise, they are in parallel universe that at some point in the past there was a want of a nail situation that meant that one developed as a women's sport and in the other a men's sport. until there point of divergence the two were identical with the same histories and pasts, after that point of divergence though we see the split between the two.
Alternatively, the WoT-verse IS spun from GuP-verse, it's just significantly further down the line than what we're seeing at present. If the series can be seen as taking place in the 2010s, perhaps World of Tanks can be seen as taking place further into the future (for instance, the 2080s), giving sufficient time for the sport to have it's gender barriers broken. It would likely start out small-time but work up from there.
It may be that tankery is only seen as feminine in Japan. We have no idea about the rest of the world.
The final battle against black forest will be in a desert
Look at the tournament locations so far.
Sanders: Shermans open ground with forest: like Normandy.
Anzio: Italian themed team: rocky forested terrain: like Italy.
Pravda: Russian flavored: snow.
All that's left is black forest German team and the only major European theater of world war two left is the North African Campaign, Where the tiger (which we know black forest ueses) was deployed.
Jossed, the final battle takes place at the foot of Mt. Fuji. Specfically the East Fuji Maneuver Area, Japan's version of the Top Gun school for tanks
During the final battle Miho will sacrifice the victory and leave her tank to save somebody again
But this time it will be the opposing team's player to be rescued (bonus points if it will be Maho or their mother if she is in the team). And than Miho will publicly say that Sensha-do is not a war and that the victory doesn't worth anybody's life.
Or will Maho sacrifice victory and leave her tank this time?
That would be an interesting development, since Maho once shot a flag tank that was going to rescue a tank from her team, even when (according to Emi) she was going to win anyway.
It doesn't quite happen like that, but something similar happens. Rabbit Team gets stuck with engine failure in the middle of a river, and is left unable to proceed (it's implied that they might eventually get tipped over and flooded). Miho, with Black Forest in pursuit, leaps across the tanks to tie a rope to Rabbit Team's tank, and they manage to pull it to safety.
Tie Breakers are based on number of tanks knocked out
Considering that Sensha-do is at least 80 years old, it stands to reason that there would be some rules to settle a battle where two teams knock each other's flag tank out at nearly the same moment. The tie breaker has to be fair to both parties and having a rematch is not an option most of the time depending on how badly damaged that tank is. So having it be based on number of tanks knocked out is fair because in a battle where it is 2 vs 6 the 6 tank team could only have a maximum of 2 kills while the 2 tank team only needs to knock out 3 tanks to break the tie. This would favor the smaller team who had to make good use of tactics to outmaneuver the larger team.
It's possible that there's a way of determining, down to a fraction of a second, which one shot first. In Little Army, Kikuyo observes the practice battle with binoculars and declares Maho's team the winner based on which shot hit first.
Alternately, if time runs out, but neither flag tank has been hit, it would go to knocked out tanks.
Oarai's mix of multiple nationalities tanks is unusual now, but wasn't 20 years ago.
Back when the club closed down, most sensha-do teams were a mix of various nationality's vehicles, unlike today where its specialized by nation. Oarai's success will lead to more mixed nationality teams in the future, preventing such horrible curb-stomp battles as the crushing defeats on the 'Polish', 'Japanese', and 'Belgian' teams in the first round.
Then how did Anzio get to the second round? who could they have faced that had worst tanks then them? I highly doubt tanks play as a important part as you suggest. I think it has to do with a poor tank selection sure, but more about Miho Tactical Genius that they were curb stomped so baddly.
Anzio faced a French-themed team.
that just stresses my point about tactics. At the start of WW2 the French had some of the best tanks in the world as the Char D2, SOMUA S35 and the Char G1 (never produced I will admit but comparable to the later T-34 and Sherman) hell, it has a optical sight and a AUTO loader. So then, how did team Anzio beat that with machine gun tankettes?
Radios. The majority of the french tanks that saw combat (Not counting the Char because it was large enough for one) lacked radios, the germans beat the much better equipped and manned French tankers because they were all in contact with each other so they could seperate and destroy the slower, heavily armed and armoured French tanks. Who's to say that Anzio didn't use the same tactics and their tankettes to lure the french tanks to the stronger late war Italian tanks.
See initial entry about "Team Poland" poor, poor Poland...
As well, Anzio faced the school with the most poorly laid-out and designed vehicles, like the Driver being a gunner, the Commander doing no less than four separate jobs (s/he was also Gunner, Loader, and Radio Operator on top of being the tank's eyes) , very slow top speeds (usually no faster than walking pace), and "general purpose" guns that couldn't penetrate their own diameter with standard AP shells. While the Char B1's 47mm antitank gun and possibly the howitzer would easily deal with anything Anzio could field, unless they fielded exclusively Char B1s and SUMOA S40 there would be other vehicles - and remember, the the Renault FT-17 was still in service during World War II, and that predates even Oorai's Type 89.
Actually, it seems that the Main Oarai Panzers were all sold off when the Team Disbanded so the Panzers that were left are all "Training" Panzers that are used to train new members. Because the trainees had to use obsolete tanks, it teaches them the importance of Armor, Concealment, Weak points and Proper Driving. Had the Leftover Panzers actually been used for Matches, they would have been sold off when the Team Disbanded, instead they were all abandoned where they have crashed and never recovered because the effort to recover and fix them are much more than their sell value. The Mixed Nationality was not because of a previous social standard but instead an attempt to teach the basics of Tankery.
this does explain why explains they have a wide mix tanks. But that suggest the school was rich enough at one point to have TWO full tank teams, (main team and training), that they had enough students to warrant it, and it does address the question of what tanks they DID have for the main team. It could very well have been a mixed national team given the wide mix of nations we see from there training tanks. Where it a German themed team I would expect a lot of German tanks to get my tankers used to tanks true, but also to get them used to German tank layouts and designs so when they went to the "big girls" they would be able to handle them better. And, where does the Tiger fit it? There good enough (even with teething issues) that unless you had another tiger on stand by I can see no reason why you would not use it if you had space on your team.
Remember that unlike the other Panzers, the Porsche Tiger was packed up and left in a Storage room instead of being abandoned out in the forest. Most likely, the Tiger(P) WAS part of the main line-up and was kept in good condition but when it came time to sell off the tanks, no one wanted to buy it because of it's tendency to get stuck in mud, break it's engine and set itself on fire. Also, remember that Oarai used to be a school of some renown in the distant past, thus it means that at minimum there must at least be 20 tanks on the roster if Oarai is to compete at the national level on a yearly basis (that is if they expect to make it to the finals in order to take advantage the 20 tank-limit) so it is not farfetched to see 10 trainer tanks and 10 Main line-up tanks.
Now it is also possible that the creator of the series did not really put that much thought into what the other Panzer teams would be and only thought up the Country/Tank Theme way after choosing the tanks of Oarai since the Oarai team is composed of "Heroic/Underdog" Tanks of WWII because while each of the tanks are a little underpowered and under armored compared to late WWII tanks, they all played pivotal roles during their service.
The 38(t) led the Blitzkrieg and was instrumental in Early WWII
The M3 Lee was critical in the North African Campaign
The Type 89 was critical in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol against the Soviets and was instrumental in the Second Sino-Japanese war
The StuG III was deployed to all fronts and despite not being as notorious as the Tiger or Panther, killed much more enemy tanks
The Panzer IV was THE German tank that was in use for the entirety of WWII
The Type 3 Chi-Nu was set up to be the last line of defense for Japan but never saw actual combat (and of episode 10 never will apparently)
it should also be noted that the produces went to the effort to make sure they never faced the same tanks that were on the team. they never faced a stug or a panzer IV for example. It could be they picked rarer, less well known tanks so they could have the more easily requonized tanks (like the Sherman and T-34) play as the rivals so we don't get confused about whos tank is on who's side.
I thought the only reason that a proper translation didn't call it World of Tanks was because Wargaming didn't give GuP the rights. Given how it is the online tank game, it's almost undoubtedly either World of Tanks or a counterpart thereof.
Obviously could not be neither Jossed nor confirmed, but it was given a nod when the victorious Anteater Team congratulated doing together what, reportedly, is the "WoT secret handshake".
Given how Wargaming.net has partnered up with Actas to advertise World of Tanks in Japan it's probably safe to nail this as Confirmed.
The Reason for the long delay on Episodes 11/12 is because there will be a Season 2.
at least one station was ready to broadcast on January 9th, but because the show will be renewed, they had to completely redo Episodes 11 and 12 to allow a second season
While I dearly would love the above prove to be correct the question is: is Girls Und Panzer popular enough to creat a seacond season, and more importantly, do the prodcers think it is popular enough?
As the main page states, the show was a runaway (and unexpected) hit this past fall, so it'd be odd if the production team weren't at least contemplating a sequel/second season. Indeed, according to The Other Wiki, the Japanese newspaper Joyo Shimbun reported on December 24th, 2012, that a sequel is tentatively planned.
The first two B Ds sold about 30,000 copies each. A typical show does more like 4,000.
In his blog post apologizing for the delay, the director hinted that episode 12 will not be the end of the series.
well in that case,,,,
WMG's for a possible second season plot..
Crews from the best national teams are put together as a single team to compete in a global tournament, with Oarai taking the lead.
with cold war tanks.
Volley ball team will get an M60 Patton upgraded to a turkish M 60 T Sabra, Histroy team will get a Raketenjagdpanzer 4 or Jaguar 2 (a tank destroyer with TOW missiles rather then a gun) the student council a swedish S tank. The fresh men will be split into two T-64 tanks, the displine team will get a PT-76 light tank, the gamers get a french AMX-30 tank no idea what Miho will get since i can't find a five man battle tank.
Oarai, being the National Champions are chosen to represent Japan in the Global Tournament but since Oarai is still struggling with money and low on time they are unable to find/train new members and buy new tanks in time. In a show of unity and friendship Darjeeling, Kay, and Katyusha volunteer themselves, their crew and their tanks in order to round out an All Star team of 20 tanks. With:
Darjeeling and Orange Pekoe bringing in their Churchill and Matilda
Drama will ensue as the girls different styles and personalities conflict at first but the power of friendship will forge them into a world stomping super team facing Germany in the World Championships with Miho's old friend Emi leading the German team.
Keep in mind that some of the cast- including Maho, the Oarai student council, Sodoko, Darjeeling, Assam and possibly others- are graduating at the end of the year. It's possible that said individuals won't participate in the tank tournament, although they may make appearances as spectators.
Possible solutions: the Tournament is under-21 or under-18, not necessarily schools, so those young enough could make it through. Or, of course, the ending of the National tournament is not at the end of the school year: so the Global Tournament could still happen before Maho etc graduate.
Also, according to Motto Love Love Sakusen Desu, Maho, Darjeeling, and Anzu are all still at school for Christmas time, which apparently takes place shortly after the tournament. Assuming a similar academic year in the Panzerverse to the real world, there is still another semester to go before they graduate in April.
The League is deliberately trying to get Oarai to lose the tournament.
For some reason, possibly pressure from the Nishizumi school, the League in charge of running and refereeing the matches is trying to ensure Oarai loses the tournament. Since the beginning of the tournament, the rules have been blatantly favoring schools able to take larger teams, starting with Saunders' 10 tanks, Pravda's 15 tanks, and finally Black Forests 20, while Oarai has less then 10 (not very good) tanks total. The chosen battlefields even seem to favor the other team, such as Oarai having to fight Pravda in a snowy battlefield.
^ disagrees: I believe this is a case of Oarai being woefully underfunded and unprepared (being a club formed barely a month before the Tournament Arc) than a case of the rules being unfair; Oarai is quite literally working with scraps and just simply cannot gather together enough tanks to fill the per-requisite number for the rounds. Fridge Logic also enters the picture later onwards when it is revealed Oarai Girl's Academy is on the verge of being shut down, and obviously cannot afford the funds to get new tanks.
On a side note, the only time both teams matches up in number of tanks is the match against St. Glorianna, which is supposed to be a friendly match and is outside the Tournament Arc. For all the talk about "All's fair in love and war", those girls are surprisingly sporting. And then you take a good look at the tanks St. Glorianna brought to the friendly match...
Either way, the rules that the League sets up are biased heavily towards richer schools that can field more tanks.
To be fair, you can flip the thought around and think that Tankery is supposed to be fought with 20 tanks, just like all other sports have a "supposed to have" number, but they let smaller teams at least have a go, and even limit the amount of tanks (I guess they were thinking most schools can afford at least 10 tanks) and have a flag tank rule so they have a bit of chance.
It's said in the second recap episode that the rules are designed so that the number of tanks one can field is less important for the early matches, so well-funded schools like Saunders can get taken out early. However, the reduced limitations for the later matches, and removed limitations for the finals, means that it may be more fair for a smaller school to win early on in the tournament, but it's more likely for a well-funded school to win once it makes it to the finals.
In other words yes the entire thing is absolutely rigged to assure that the larger schools who likely also contribute the most revenue to the league are the ones that will win more or less every time. This is seriously like if highschool football just tossed the rule book and allowed you to put as many guys on the line of scrimmage as you could find in the division finals or something. Only the teams from the very largest programs could ever hope to win and all smaller teams would likely go extinct very quickly. This actually honestly stinks of serious corruption and one can't help but wonder if the reason schools like Oarai are in danger of closing down in the first place is entirely related to such breathtaking unfair rules.
Nishizumi school used to be more like Miho's tactical style
Today's Nishizumi school seems to have only one tatctic which is confront the other team head on and smash them with superior tanks and this tactic seems to be enforced by Miho's mom to the point of dogmatism, however previous generation(s) of Nishizumi school was actually based on highly flexibile tactical combat which is characteristic for Miho.
it could be more that the school does not NEED to be overly tactical. When you have the ablity to bring in the kind of guns they did, (Tiger, Panthers,Jadgpanther, Jagdtiger and Elefant) then your only tactical concern is getting as much armor as you can in the enemy's face (proverbially speaking given the range of those guns) and hitting them with as soon as you can. Brute force smashing is a valid tactic if you have the guns and armor for it. Which they do. Miho on the other hand has a ragtag group of tanks that are not nearly as capable as there opponents in every match up. She has to be tactical and has to be cleaver in order to win. Black forest has Hammers to which all they see are nails, destroy all enemy tanks then go for the flag, in that order. Miho has a pocket knife she has to some how use like a swiss army scalpe to pull of her wins, deftly going for the flag tank.
That may be so but since Nishizumi school is considered superior school of Tankery, I guess that the answer for their superiorty during it's rise would be something else than cash (ie. buy loads of superior tanks so you can smash anything in head-on fight).
how do we know there not tactical? All we've ever seen them use is hammer tactics since as above that's all they need to do, but for all we know when there out numbered and out gunned they do revert to Miho style tactics and it's not her tactics there condemning, but her soft heart.
One thing flies in the face of that argument: the hammer emerged from the forest. Maho knows Miho's first move is the safety of the forest, and moved to deny that. A hammer they may have, but they thwacked it at the correct nail right from the start.
Well, given the equipment of many of the schools, they must be quite familiar with what teams with weaker equipment try to do. Nevertheless, their performance was still far less than one would expect from THE elite school Nishizumi is played up to be. The selection of a side ambush meant most of the tanks had to shoot too far away for their gunnery skills, so they wind up clipping off only one tank. They would probably better off placing the tanks in the woods Ooarai would run into and go for a close range battle where they might just be able to hit things...
It should be noted that being a follower of the Nishizumi style does not necessarily result in being a peerless tankery practitioner. In Little Army, Miho and her friends go up against Maho and some of the students of the Nishizumi School. While Maho ultimately wins, the students of the school clearly don't work well together (since it's implied that it's their first time crewing a tank with Maho, and possibly each other), and miss Miho's tank at a few points. In that battle, it seems as though the Nishizumi sisters are considerably better than the students, and that Miho is considerably better than most of Black Forest.
Her own mother called her style of combat heresy after Pravda match and I don't think that she came out as soft in that match.
it also needs to be remembers that Miho is wining, but only JUST. That Pravda match was just luck that she won.
For that matter what does Nishizumi school of tankary involve? what is there school of thought on tank warfare?
Or on another way, Nishizumi-Style worships their rules like a certain chapter of Space Marines, and it's Miho's deviance from these rules that is grounds for heresy. Thus, Miho becomes the high-school girl equivalent of Captain Titus, who follows the rules by their spirit, as opposed to their word like the rest of the school.
Due to he popularity of Girl's und Panzer, World of tanks will create a flag tank game mode.
More of a world of tank WMG, but it does not have WMG page and I don't know how to make one. A noob am I.
either chosen by prebattle vote, or set to the top or bottom tank in any match (highest tier and lowest respectivly) one tank will be chosen to be the Flag tank. if the flag tank is killed, game over for that team.
Try to ask SerB yourself to implement it. ;) The developers are not averse to hear from the fans.
However, said game mode will either be Tank Companies or Clan Wars only. Random public matches would likely be lost if an idiot became the flag.
Jossed: This was asked at a Reddit "Ask Me Anything". There was originally an 'Escort' mode where three random tanks were the only ones who could claim, and if all three were destroyed, your side lost. (Basically, THREE flag tanks). The inability even for their supertesters to protect the escort tanks put the kibosh on the idea, as public players would be far, far worse.
I could certainly see why it would be impossible to guard the flag tanks - discounting artillery, which would only need somebody on the team to have Line of Sight on the Flag Tanks, World of Tanks players would rather single-mindedly go for the objective tanks rather than trying to "soften up" the enemy as seen in Gu P. Another possible problem is most certainly a Sensha-do arena is at least four times the size of a World of Tanks map (Which is pretty much set at no larger than 1 kilometer by 1 kilometer), meaning the Escort gamemode should be tried again after Wo T has larger maps.
Kuromorimine has brought vastly superior tanks to the finals because Maho is aware and probably worried that the team might lose.
Note that every time Kuromorimine has fought onscreen, they always used Panzer II Is and Tiger Is. Yet they suddenly shift to the big guns (King Tiger and Tank Destroyers) during the finals when they didn't bring them out during last year's finals (when Miho saved the drowning tank). I think that Maho is probably aware that simply following the Nishizumi School creed might not be enough to defeat Miho and decides to 'guarantee' the victory by bringing the biggest and baddest guns they have at their disposal in order to put a swift end to the battle and give no quarters, as evidenced by Erika's ambush, Blitzkrieg-style in the forest.
Kuromorimine has brought vastly superior tanks to the finals because Miho's mother really wants to rub the Kuromorimine school's "superiority" in Miho's face...
And of course chances are this will backfire. How it backfires remains to be seen.
Black forest line up comes to bite them
for the most part they have tanks with casement guns,(fixed to the hull, you aim by turning the whole tank) there very powerful since there have a lower profile and trend to have a larger gun. Problem is they have to aim by turning. there direct choice to only go with the biggest guns they could while ignoreing there less powerful more flexable options will come back to haunt them.
No, their main force is still conventional tanks: Pz.III-s, Tigers and Panthers. Tank destroyers (not "tanks with casement guns", these don't exist, mainly because there aren't such thing as a "casement", it is spelled "casemate") make up less than half of their strength. It's just that their team is so huge that it seems to be a lot, but IIRC thay have the roughly same proportion of tank destroyers as Oarai — 25%, five out of twenty and two out of eight or nine.
Really? i got the impression they had a lot of tanks with casement guns? how did i think that. Sorry for the mix up.
From the v-formation at the end of ep 11, 1xTiger, 2xKing Tiger, 5xPanther, 5xJagdpanzer (Panzer IV like Miho's, but converted to the fixed-gun type like the Stug III, has the same gun as the Panther), 1xJagdpanther, 1xJagdtiger, 1xElephant. Plus 1 Jagdpanzer destroyed at the volcano, one Panther (probably) destroyed at the volcano, and one more sensha which is either another Jagdpanzer destroyed at the volcano, or either the Panther or Jagdpanther that got Hetz'd. That makes it either 10 tanks 8 tank-destroyers, or 9 of each, in the main force. Both the Maus and the Pz III are tanks. That analysis turns out to be revealing in a lot of other ways too, but I already wrote too much...
Well, more importantly, they've brought a bunch of extremely heavy tanks. They are the weight of a modern MBT or more, and Japan's modern tanks are deliberately made light due to the limitations of Japan's roads and bridges. They might start actually falling off someplace for this choice.
To some extent, this is lined up to occur: Darjeeling and Katyusha both make note that the tracks of Black Forest's heavy tanks are NOT suited for chasing a lighter force, and indeed Erika has run into the problem of her tank throwing a track just in time to keep her tank from firing a possibly game-ending shot. It's also mentioned that, because they're chasing a more mobile force, they also run the risk of running out of fuel.
Confirmed as this is what allows teams Turtle, Rabbit, Duck and Leopon (in order) to escape, troll, block and destroy (not in order) the heck out of BFP's lineup in episodes 11 and 12
Despite the safety protocols, somebody will die.
Explosives are dangerous, and no armor is going to be 100% effective. At some point, somebody is going to die either from something leaving them exposed to an explosion or by being thrown from a tank and crushed.
Unlikely. this show is just not dark enough for such a thing.
However, because this is Rabbit Team we speak of, it will backfire.
Aww come on, let's not pick on them. Every other tank that we thought was worthless already had a chance to shine - even Sodoko was useful in recon. It is hard to believe the creators would deny them their small Moment of Awesome
Well, they had their Moment Of Awesome when they grew enough of a spine to keep their cool when hopelesslly outnumbered (1 vs 6 fighting withdraval firing all the time? Bad. Ass.) and act as deliberate tank shields - twice. Plus, they were the ones able to fire twice in the Saunders ambush. So yeah, they have proven not to be worthless anymore. Cue paint rounds in 3, 2, 1...
Confirmed with extreme prejudice. Openly stated to be a plan they spent all night devising, and even named after the movie - but taken Up to Eleven, as they kill that way an Elefantnote superheavy tank destroyer based on the Tiper(P) chassis and a Jagdtigernote even heavier TD based on the chasis of the Tiger II.
Katyusha didn't know about the accident in last year's finals.
Considering the fact that she gave her pinned down opponents three hours to surrender (or, as the case turns out, plan their counterattack), it seems unlikely she expected her opponents to just leave their friends to die in the event of an accident. Thing is, though, she never saw the tank fall into the river, nor the crew need to be rescued, so she chalks up last year's finals to Miho's poor judgment.
Based on the portrayed sequence, combined with Word of God, Katyusha was in those two tanks we saw closing. So she must know that it went off the road, though it is possible she didn't catch the part where it fell further into the river. Still pretty unlikely she'll hear nothing of it afterwards though.
It's possible that Katyusha didn't see Miho exiting the tank, since Miho was underwater when the kill shot was fired. Then again, it should also be pointed out that the Little Army manga reveals that this scenario played out once before, with Maho in Katyusha's position and Emi's older sister in Miho's position (saving a tank from the opposing team, no less), and Maho took the shot.
Why shouldn't she count it as poor judgment? As she probably sees it, it was between her and Miho as platoon leaders. Miho picks a dangerous, narrow path in the rain. Katyusha sees through it and brings her tanks for an encounter battle. She and the her fellow tank placed two high precision shots spaced 2-3 seconds apart exactly where they needed them, blowing Miho's lead Panzer off the path and leaving the Tiger exposed (which won't happen if they actually hit the lead Panzer and it stops w/o losing control). Despite the fact the trail Panzer worked around Miho's stopped Tiger without delay (something it'll have to try to do anyway), Katyusha still got off her second shot first and even if she missed, in 2-3 seconds the other T-34/85 will also get a 2nd shot and there will still be enough Tiger left exposed for a valid shot. Neither the lead, flag or trail Panzer got off even one shot - they seem totally unprepared. The Pravdans were simply better that day, with or without the rescue.
The Planet population came from a Imperial Guard Division who managed to take the world. From
The Armored Regiment was a mongrel Regiment of Vahallans, Candians, and Krieg. They lost contact with the Imperium of Man due to the weakening Astronomican. Possibly only moe and Kawaii can keep the Grimdark away.
as much fun as that would be the one thing that nix's that well and good is the fact there using world war two tanks not 40k tanks (lemen russ mostly). that said I'm predicting a WMG that this will be a cross over of some kind with every other game that has a tank showing. 40K vs USA vs Red alert USSR and more!
Because if she remains mute, fans will demand Season 2. Any seiyuu up to the character?
The current Pravda team consists mostly of freshmen
The girls who made it to the last year finals (and eventually became the champions) have graduated and left the school and the team, except for a few skilled tankers like Nonna (one can assume that she is the only decent gunner in the team, given that it was necessary to reassign her to the JS-2) or the flag tank driver, who did a good job evading shots (note that while the other crewgirls, including the tank commander, were relaxing on the armor, the driver was the only one to monitor the situation and warn them). The other girls seem not to be actually older than Ooarai's Team Rabbit, nor more skilled. It would explain why the team who managed to win the tournament last year suffers from such a sudden dip in accuracy.
humm, is there some truth in television to support that? Given Russia's loses in the second world war I would not be surprised to find that they often had a similar turn over rate.
Well, yes, the rate was quite high in 1941-1943, due to the high losses at the beginning of the war (although both the Soviet losses and the turnover rate decreased dramatically in 1944-1945, as the Red Army was growing much, much stronger in terms of the combat experience. Actually, in the late 1944 the Red Army stopped drafting any new people at all). So, yes, the (not so good, compared to the last year) performance of the Pravda team may represent the influx of the new and inexperienced soldiers... and it is likely that Katyusha and all of her subordinates are going to fight much better in the next championship, having learned from their mistakes.
While the Pravda team certainly seem a bit sloppy compared to what we can see of the others, for firing accuracy, the basic level among all teams is quite low even when they are stopped. The average tank of even supposedly elite teams like Saint Gloriana and Saunders and of our heroes Õarai miss much more than they hit regardless of whether they are stopped or moving. Heck, in Episode 10 even Black Forest is scoring a lot of splashes for a hit. All teams seem to depend on one or two elite gunners for their kills. Saunders has Naomi, Pravda depends on Nonna and I don't think we even saw one for St. Glorianna. Õarai, in having 4 gunners that seem competent (Hana, Akebi, Anzu and Yukari) may actually be less disadvantaged than they appear. This is probably Justified because after all, they are amateurs with limited time to practice, so only a few particularly talented people ever get to the competent level - it is pretty amazing how well driving, commanding and maintaining go that this must be the weak point.
One might also add, Pravda's un-named characters tank gunnery wasn't that horrible. They scored a total of 4 hits (including one in their first salvo), of which 3 were effective though not quite disabling. OK, they were all at close range but in this show, Hits are Hits - compare to the classy St. Glorianna's salvoes before they got the M3 at similar ranges and you can see they didn't do too badly by Sensha-do's standards.
Miho is actually very, very unhinged.
Her room is full of teddy bears. That would be fine for a girl (even someone who is already in high school), except that every single one of those teddy bears are bandaged. Why would she need to bandage perfectly normal teddy bears? Because she want to tell herself that there are always people who need her, and that that is her raison d'etre. She doesn't want to consider her action of saving her teammates back then as 'wrong'. It's the family who is wrong, not her! In her inability to reconcile the heartless dogma of her family and her need to be someone who saves other, she repeatedly bandage her teddy bears. Of course, if she actually rips apart her teddy bears so that there will be a reason to bandage them, it would be another grade of Nightmare Fuel.
Jossed. the bandaged teddy bears are just a popular toy in this universe. Posters and such have been seen in the background. Confirmed by the director when asked.
An amusing alternate interpretation comes in this comic, although one has to wonder about Miho associating grievous injuries with Maho.
The final episode will be a confrontation of some sort with Shiho.
In addition to planning to disown Miho, she may become very displeased with Maho if Oorai manages to win. Miho may end up having to defend her style of Tankery to her mother, possibly by bringing up how she was fighting for the sake of the school, and wasn't going to allow herself to lose for that reason.
"...(being re-accepted as family heir?)". There. Fixed it for you (from Miho's point of view at least). She was fleeing from being that. (Even Maho doesn't seem to be happy about being the family heir, at all).
OP again; I suspect that Miho wants most of all for Shiho to treat her like a daughter rather than a disciple of the school, as well as accept her way of Tankery. There's a scene late in Little Army where Miho asks whether Maho shooting Emi's tank when it did the same thing she did in the tournament was necessary, but Shiho shrugs it off, saying that victory is most important and that "There will come a time when you will understand this, Miho". Perhaps age and experience in tankery will make Miho better prepared to argue against Shiho's philosophy, and if she wins, she may have evidence to show that she can overcome the "orthodox" Nishizumi style her own way.
Jossed, at least for the first season.
Determining the Divergence Points of Girls und Panzer:
Tankery - Since it's adopted as a sport in the 1920's, and a bit of supplementary material also adds it was influenced by myths of Greco-Roman chariot duels between women, the impetus for the sport started as such: World War One is in full-swing, and it's every bit as ugly as our timeline. The divergence point is that the tank was specifically conceived by a women/some women inspired by these myths, and rode in as guardian angels to their men on the front-lines. The reason tanks carry a feminine stigma thereafter was because the women were considered protected under their layers of steel and cannons, while the guys still had to fight exposed with rifles and bayonets. It's unknown how much the stigma eroded in the rest of the real world (Rommel being mentioned as a tank commander proves that not all tanks were crewed by an Amazon Brigade by at least WWII), but it is obviously strong enough in Japan that guys are instinctively put off from girls that go into Tankery. A possible theory for all the national schools is that Japan adopted all the Tankery traditions of Europe and the US (like they adopted modern weaponry in general for WWII), or Japan was considered a "neutral ground" for the post-WWI nations to have Tankery scrimmages.
The Super-Carrier High Schools - Given how it's obvious Japan is far more militarized than in our timeline, for simply having what amount to wargames as a high-school course, the super-carriers are possibly an attempt to give the high-schools the opportunity to maneuver if the mainland of Japan is attacked. Either a far more aggressive bombing campaign by the Allies in WWII or threat of nuclear attack in the Cold War/post-Cold War Era (Russia, China, or North Korea - your pick on which was most likely). Also may serve as a convenient landing-pad for the foreign exchange students of the foreign schools (this assumes the teams are sponsored by the nation they're stereotyping, and have the majority of their students from those countries, rather than Japanese fanatically role-playing them).
Jossed in the face of OVA 3, where the ones to start the schoolship concept was the Roman Empire.
True, but I still think the above reason can still be listed as a more practical reason to justify city-ships in the present day, which would be Awesome, but Impractical otherwise. After all, the first-known version was dated back to EmperorCaligula's reign, so this may just as well have been a case of ancient Conspicuous Consumption updated for a more modern problem.
The limit on the number of shells has caused a team's loss in the past, or will in a future episode
When the girls are discussing the rules on the limited number of tanks, it's also mentioned that there's a limit on ammunition. It's thus possible that at some point, this rule will become relevant in one of the following ways, or will have been in a past match.
The losing team ran out of shells for all of its surviving tanks and lost by default. It's possible that such a team would have had heavy losses early on, then was forced to make due with its few remaining tanks until they ran out of shells.
The losing team was forced to conserve ammunition as its supplies dwindled later in the battle, and thus got picked off by the less constrained opposition.
A group fielded less tanks than they had out of a fear that having too many would mean that each would have an inadequate supply of ammo.
Partially confirmed in episode 11. BFP can not simply barrage Õarai through the smokescreen due to the limited number of ammo available.
Maho was unaware that one of her tanks had fallen and/or that Emi's sister's team was trying to rescue it.
In Little Army, Maho looks surprised and somewhat hurt when Emi tells her about her sister trying to rescue the tank. One possibility is that, unable to hear radio chatter, she didn't realize why the enemy flag tank had exposed itself, and saw no reason not to take the shot (which could also possibly apply to Katyusha years later). Another is that something went wrong with the fallen tank's radio, and she was unaware anything had happened to it.
Erika is a spy for Shiho.
Notice that Maho acts aloof around Miho while in Erika's presence, the same as she does in Shiho's presence (in all of her scenes with Miho in the anime, she has been with either Erika or Shiho)- In Chapter 7 of Little Army, she doesn't say anything when Miho demands answers from Shiho, but later approaches her while she is alone and gives her a heart-to-heart talk and an apology. This could indicate she knows Erika is reporting back to Shiho. This could also explain why Erika replaces Miho as vice captain, filling the position of the one who had borne responsibility for the loss in the last tournament, and possibly putting her in a position to keep an eye on the team as a whole and make sure Maho runs it properly. As for how Erika got recruited, not only is it possible that Shiho has many contacts from the school, including possibly Erika's mother, but it's easy to see Erika volunteering to curry favor with Shiho.
Õarai was once a mixed-gender school and there was considerable bad blood when it became girls-only.
Remember the Porsche Tiger? Notice how it's found in an lower deck storage room, not all that bigger than the tank itself, and that is not accesible except for small passageways. Also notice how it's found fully assembled, but then, there's talk of how "it's not gonna be available" for the Anzio and Pravda battles. And finally notice how in episode 10 they mention that the Automovile team just assembled all its scattered parts, even though it was found fully assembled. Corolary: The only way for the tank to exit (and enter) the room is disassembled. Plainly, the Tiger (P) was originally lost because of a Animal House - style prank - the classic "disassemble a car and assemble it again iside their room" one, but Up to Eleven. Now, what kind of people is likely to do that kind of stuff?. Having been stablished the past presence of fratboys in Õarai, there remains only the doubt if the Tiger(P rank) was hidden there as revenge for the academy sending the guys away, or if sending the guys away was a revenge for stuff like hidding their best tanks.
IF true, I'm thinking the first option. The second is a bit harsh (I doubt all the hypotetical male students were involved in the prank). It's also the one that explains the tank never appearing at all - they did hide it too well...
The part about it being needed to disassemble and re-assemble the Tiger (P) to get it out of the room is confirmed in the Anzio OVA.
Maho doesn't respect Shiho as much as it seems
Consider the evidence so far.
Maho's ultimate reason for taking on the position of Nishizumi heiress is so that Miho doesn't have to, rather than out of a desire to make Shiho happy or gain her aproval.
Extending on that, there's also the part in Chapter 7 of Little Army where Maho says that it's fine if Miho wants to quit tankery, but if she continues, she should find a way of tankery she can call her own, which could indicate that she doesn't think too highly of the Nishizumi style, or at least thinks it's one that Miho can't follow.
When Shiho tells Maho that her victory defended the honor of the Nishizumi School, Maho has a look that merely suggests a show of polite gratitude, rather than genuine joy. When Shiho belittles Miho's asking whether Maho doing so was necessary, Maho first reacts with a look indicating displeasure, then one that almost suggests Your Approval Fills Me with Shame at the moment Shiho says that "Maho fought an excellent battle, appropriate for an inheritor of the Nishizumi school".
When Kikuyo sees her off as she returns to school in Chapter 7 of Little Army, Maho leaves while requesting that Kikuyo take care of Miho, implying that she knows her mother is not a very good parent.
Around the time Shiho mentions her intention to tell Miho about her being disowned, Maho becomes surprisingly vocal about Miho in front of her, being about to say something in Episode 8, asking her mother to watch the entire match with Pravda in Episode 9, and saying Miho deserved to win in Episode 10.
When push comes to shove, it's most likely that Maho will ultimately side with Miho over Shiho.
This, has been confirmed. She drops all facades and opens up to Miho after her victorynote (notice spoilerless wording), instead of cold-shouldering her as her mother all but orders her to do from then onwards in episode 8 (that's part of what the disinheritance scene means).
Going with the Above, Erika will cost her team the battle by accidentally shooting Maho's tank.
Especially if it's because Maho had ordered her to hold her fire as she closed to point blank with Miho, but Erika can't control herself. Possibly having Maho seeing this as the final crack in her devotion to the family tradition.
Hey, hey, hey, let's not pick on Erika too much. She might be a Jerk Ass, but with the exception of her little explosion in the middle she is relatively able to control her emotions. It seems much more likely one of those incompetent no-name tanks will backshoot Maho in the confusion instead.
That's the point. She has shown to be prone to amusing Villainous Breakdowns, and her (and her crew's) level of competence has been sown not to be as good as she brags it is. She is likely to go all Glory Hound when (not if) Miho's next plan seems to be about to give them victorynote we all know it's gonna happen, the doubt is only if it will give them victory or it'll only seem to do so and try to take matters in her hand. I doubt that'll end well.
Jossed. Erika makes it a moment too late.
Maho decided to bring out the you-know-whatnote Maus as a last minute decision the very night before the battle
Saori's parents are not the most normal of the group
Saori's parents are never shown in any way, shape or form during the first season, so are they normal in comparison to mothers who'd disown their children over tankery but later change their minds, or a Tsundere grandmother filling in for one's biological parents? Little Army provides some indications that Invisible Parents are not always normal parents when Chihiro alludes to her mother (who is never seen) being strict enough that she can't be opposed, and as such, she has some understanding of why Maho acts differently around Shiho. It's possible that Saori has family issues that she doesn't talk about (maybe not even to Mako), and they will come to the forefront during the second season.
Certainly possible. However, Chihiro's mother is not completely invisible — we never see her, but she's still discussed. Saori's parents aren't even mentioned. Using an inverse of Chekhov's Gun, if it's not mentioned, then there is nothing unusual about it.
Many of the Country-themed schools have a significant expat population.
Or rather, many of its students are of mixed heritage descended from said expats.
Just an obvious extrapolation, given the clearly-caucasian slant of the most visible Saint Glorianna team (Darjeeling, Assam, and Orange Pekoe), as well as the higher-than usual ratio of blondes and redheads in Saunders (as shown by Yukari's infiltration). Especially noticeable compared to Oorai, a school without a National theme, whose members barring two exceptions (Akebi and Nekonyaa) feature hair colors are normally what could be found among real-life Japanese (mainly black or shades of brown).
In particular, Saunders may be the Amerasian children of US forces in Japan who were all put in one school, since many of their names (Naomi, Kay) are quite Western. It would also explain how they're so wealthy, as well as their choice of national theme. Not to mention how they have so many Shermans (including rare variants). They're based out of the US Naval base at Sasebo.
There will be new schools taking up tankery in Season 2
Inpsired by Oorai's underdog victory, other schools might decide to try and enter the nationals (not necessarily to save their schools, but perhaps just for the money and prestige). They might have a mix of tanks from all nations like Oorai or go for a themed team.
Nonna was the Pravda commander the previous year.
She does seem a bit more savvy that Katyusha and we know she seems to have got command solely because she landed the winning shot in the previous year's final.
In Katyusha's defence, it seems more reasonable that she set up the meeting engagement last year, which went off brilliantly. Further, IF one closes his eyes to the less than wholesome goal of the Battle Plan, to get group dogeza, the Plan was well executed. One can even generously forgive the dogeza part by suggesting that when you have 13 T-34s and a IS-2, even a clean curbstomp battle against Oarai's 6 ragtag tanks won't be very satisfying, while a group dogeza would have been something (that may explain why the Pravdans seem at pains to keep from actually flagging their enemies while shooting out their armament and/or their ability to employ it).
Katyusha's greater failure was choosing to sleep the whole way instead of supervising her troops and getting them off the bonfires in time to restore their night vision. That is the probable cause of the drop in firing accuracy and it seems likely if they had kept up the accuracy they showed in the "Chase Oarai into the church" part, they would have been able to adapt to Oarai's banzai charge. Still, Nonna's fault was the greater because she was actually awake and all she does is fawn on Katyusha. So she may or may not have been the commander the previous year, but she arguably isn't better.
Besides which, as Executive Officer, Nonna was in charge while Katyusha slept.
Little Army will get an anime.
My guess (not the OP) is that it might be a longer OVA or a movie, since there seems to be enough for a few episodes, but not an entire series.
In the second series, Oarai will face some of its former opponents again, who have stepped up their game.
After seeing Oarai's strategy for disabling the Maus, Darjeeling remarks that they could try something like that with one of their tanks. It's thus possible that seeing Black Forest defeated by an underdog like Oarai without something like the incident with the fallen tank happening might inspire the teams Black Forest defeated before to redouble their efforts, wanting to win the championship now that Black Forest no longer seems undefeatable. It could also indicate that Oarai is not the only team able to take levels in badass, and some new first-years could provide fresh talent for the rival schools. This could naturally include Black Forest itself, as Erika remarks that they won't lose this time, and it might be interesting to see how she develops after experiencing a loss that can't be blamed on a fluke, or commands without Maho around.
We will see more world of tank stuff show up in the sequel.
namely: a capture the flag mode with bases, SPG's , more conceptual tanks (like the AT 2 and T25 AT as compared to the mostly actually made tanks the anime uses) and a shout out to actual world of tank maps, (what is this Campinovka?)
A Sequel will do away with tanks.
and we get Girls und warplanes or Girls und battleships!
Jossed. The official announcement all-but-stated that it'll continue with the tanks.
And amusingly, also confirmed. The manga spinoff is centered on the girls, the tanks playing just a minor cameo role.
if a sequel has new tank teams, list names bellow.
Team Pistol shrimp using an SPG
Team Badger with a tank destroyer.
Team Kitty with a hellcat
The information in the booklet from Blu-Ray 4 specifically mention the reasons why open-topped vehicles are not allowed (as an open crew compartment can't obviously be covered by the special carbon lining). And the Senshado federation doesn't consider artillery as tanks. While this doesn't preclude new tanks being added, open-topped AFVs are right out.
Sometimes open-topped tank destroyers were fitted with a roof cover for their turret in the field. This became more common in Korea.
The Hellcat was not one of them. However, the M36 Jackson/Slugger is debatable legal. The rules are vague as to vehicles with actual armored top conversions are allowed.
Possible plots for the upcoming movie
The obvious plot thread to follow will be the Under-20 Sensha-do World Cup that Anzu mentioned in the first episode. This also conveniently makes it possible to tie in another hanging plot thread from the prequel: Emi. And what better stage for the two friends to prove to each other their ways of Sensha-do than the world championship?
In Episode 9, after Anzu tells the team that they're competing to stave off their school being shut down, someone asks the student council, "So you mean you lied about the world tournament?" and Momo says "That was true". Then again, it could end up being an Accidental Truth.
Aside from the World Cup, the movie might also expand on the other types of Sensha-do being practiced around the world, like the Unlimited Class practiced in the US. Seeing Miho and her friends react to radically different traditions would be interesting to say the least.
Since the movie involves Chi-Ha Tan Academy, it's possible that the movie will revolve around a training exhibition between Chi-Ha (WMG: Possibly Japan's oldest tankery school) and the Naive Newcomers of Oarai's team.
Duck Team is based, however distantly, on Finland
Like Finland in World War 2, their equipment is considered laughably bad but they manage to be very effective with the Type 89 anyway. Also, their team motto is Guts!, which is the basic meaning of the Finnish word sisu so often associated with Finland's world war 2 achievements.
The manga will deviate from the anime's plotline.
In Chapter 10, Miho meets with Kikuyo, a character who had previously only appeared in Little Army, who tells her that she'll be disinherited if she loses against Pravda. Given that Miho shows no evidence of knowing about this in the anime (where Shiho told Maho that she was going to personally tell Miho about her disinheritance at the semifinals), it's possible that this may herald a different treatment of Miho's relationship with the rest of the family, and possibly a different outcome.
the anime second season will make a running gag of skipping the second battle in a laughable lopsided win.
Yukari has aspergers
trust me, as some one who also has it, I was just as nuts about my 'thing' (trains) as she is about tanks. additionally aside from her narrow interest, poor social skills (she was friendless) and odd speech patterns (she listed as with due respect on her trope page)are additionally symptoms of aspergers.
Yukari misinterpreting Miho's statement that she loves Team Anglerfish as friends as "Nishizumi-dono just confessed to me!" would also count, due to how aspergers syndrome can lead to misreading social and emotional cues.
Oarai, not Kuromorimine, is Shiho Nishizumi's Alma Mater
...because, why not. We know the Nishizumi Household is based on land. Oarai had a good tankery program twenty years ago, which would be just about the time Shiho was a student herself. Ami Chono (the instructor) owes Shiho a major favor - could this be that she wanted to go to Kuromorimine and take the Nishizumi style with her. If Kuromorimine is the longtime home of the Nishizumi style, why not mention that in the same breath as their ten-year run of victories. In fact that string of victories is more impressive if Kuromorimine was a no-name school before the arrival of the Nishizumi style. We can even stretch to a reason - maybe Shiho was somehow disgraced at Oarai, or disgraced the school and its tankery program, which then went into terminal decline. Maybe she let boys play. Maybe Maho was conceived in Yukari's beloved D-chan (Yukari: Eww... that's not what tanks are for)
The real reason other teams are not mixed nation. . .
It's a nightmare getting parts for tanks built by seven different country's. the m3 lee was built using U.S. customary unit and the others with metric. While if you had a team of only Shermans, you only need to get one type of drive shaft.
The Sodoko Colletive are really. . .
Clones. Every one is so used to the idea that no one thinks its worth remarking on.
Aliens: There foreign exchange student from planet X who decided to try out tankary.
Mutants: with cloning super powers. Only there stuck at 3, so they make horrible X men.
Three mimic octopus: We would never know.
Young Borg who don't quite get the whole 'assimilation' thing and stick to enforcing school rules, for the collective.
or: only two of them are robots that the third one made. no idea which though.
Cousins with Strong Family Resemblance, although Motto Love Love Sakusen Desu indicates that there are over 100 girls on the disciplinary committee, who look like Sodoko with slight variations.
The occurrence of schools using tanks from the same country is due to corporate sponsorship.
Much like Formula One racing, companies that produce the tanks use the Sensha-do tournaments to promote their products. While professional teams are their main customers, they may sponsor the tanks for schools to showcase their engineering. Thus schools with a good track record (like Saunders, St Gloriana, Pravda and Kuromorimine) have excellent materiel while poorer schools have to make do with what they can afford like Oorai.
if so, wouldn't there tanks be covered in stickers like NASCARs?
The simplest answer is that only certain companies have the license to produce particular tanks. If only one company or its subsidiaries could produce panzer IVs for example, any other advertising is redundant. Those who buy their products already know who to call.
Miho's victory will ironically lead to a renaissance for the Nishizumi School.
Analysts and commentators may see Miho's victory as a means by which the
Nishizumi School can prove that tactical acumen can defeat an enemy with far greater resources and training. In a way they might belive that its a Xanatos Gambit by Shiho to demonstrate evolution in the Nishizumi School after last year's loss to Pravda. In effect if Miho won, Shiho shows that a single Nishizumi commander is enough to make even the most unlikely of teams into a National Champion. In the event Miho loses the tournament, Maho probably would have won and kept the Nishizumi's reputation intact. Armchair sensha-do generals may be patting Shiho on the back for a brilliant gambit, thoroughly ignorant of the rift between Shiho and her daughters. The look on Shiho's face when she learns about this interpretation of events will be priceless especially when students show up looking to learn this "Neo-Nishizumi Style".
Alternatively, it will lead to a renaissance for KMM: Think about it. You're Maho. You've lost the national finals in your year. Disappointing, but hey, you've won it at least twice already. There's one semester left. It would seem well within Maho's personality to train the hell out of the team for the rest of the academic year, to give them the best chance of winning next time.
WMG on what Nishizumi School of tankery IS.
Nishizumi tankary is divided between two schools of thought, Orthodoxy and 'Neo'.
Orthodoxy or 'Anbiru' (anvil) style is the one used by Maho and the rest of the Nishizumi family. this school of thought is you take your tanks, and you HIT your enemy as hard as you can like a warhammer to plate mail, and like a hammer, you fall back and hit them again, and again and AGAIN, relentlessly pounding at them until you get the metal so thin, that your next hit smashes through. This is why Maho brought so many massive over gunned (for the task) tanks to the finals. Nishizumi school is that you hit hard and keep hitting until the enemy gives in.
'Neo' or 'misericorde'(a weapon used to kill a fallen knight often called the dagger of mercy) style is similar to Anbiru style, however rather then hammering the enemy, you put all your effort and force into sliding your blade into the cracks and chinks in there armor and then you sink your knife into there chest up to the hilt. BUT as Miho learned against Pravda, this style leaves you wide open to counter attacks if it goes wrong. It is a high risk reward plan that favors the under dog, as all they need to do is take out the one thing that matters to win, no matter how many Panzer's they lose, the only tank that matters, is the flag. Miho tactics the tourny over were designed to do this. Go for the enemy flag tank no matter what.
Nishizumi school started with 'neo' (hence the quote marks)however as the earlier practitioners won tournament after tournament and gained more fame and money, they found themselves with more and more resources and 'neo' evolved into the Orthodoxy style used today trading the risky single quick hit for repeated pounding of a longer drawn out game. In time the new evolution became the ONLY accepted school of tankary with in the Nishizumi school and by the time Miho was born the old style was no longer considered 'true' Nishizumi style. In effect, the underdogs became the upper crust.
However, Miho made the logical leap backward, evolving back from Orthodoxy style to the 'neo' style that was now shunned. This is why her mother got so mad and disgusted at her style of tankary, it was NOT (to her) how Nishizumi style should be done. But since Miho won the tournament she proved the 'new' or rather older style was not only effective, but still proper Nisizumi style.
It's somewhat unlikely that it will be mentioned by name, but it's possible that the script writers will put in a reference that WOT players will get, or make it a Bland-Name Product with a suspiciously similar name (Panzer Planet, maybe?).
why would Wargameing turn down the publicity?
Jossed, in Episode 10.
Dub!Nekota: (regarding Momogawa and Piyotan) "They’re friends from an online tank game I play in my spare time."
Maho deliberately and knowingly walked into the trap for a one-on-one duel with Miho.
Given that she seemed to predict some of Miho's moves earlier, such as her planning on drawing her into the town, it's possible that she expected that Miho would isolate the flag tank (Oarai's main method of offsetting its numerical disadvantage), and chose to go along with it anyway, to ensure that her sister would have a fair fight against her, and have a chance to prove her own merit.
Corollary to the above: Maho took a fall.
Let's face it, Maho could have easily taken her sister down with her skill and command ability. Plus, she had all the incentive to let her sister take the win. With her mother and the entire nation watching, it needed to be convincing. The Tiger P blocking the way gave her all the opportunity she'd need. The gun battle, the chase, it was all to make it look convincing at the end and fully free her beloved little sister from her mother's obsessive style.
That would mean, in effect, stabbing her whole team in the back. Whilst I don't think Maho overmuch cares about trophies, it does seem out of character for her to sell her tankists up the river like that.
That's a pretty optimistic read of Maho's ability. While Maho did read some of Miho's moves, Miho's options were also restricted. The fact was Maho could not even keep her unit in control. One might as well speculate that Maho allowed it to happen so she doesn't have to deal with incompetent subordinates.
This explains why tankery is thought of as a predominantly female sport, at least in Japan. The effects of the epidemic that wiped out the majority of Japanese men centuries ago are still being felt in Japan. This is why people such as Erwin Rommel existed and operating tanks is normally done by men in other countries, but Japanese women have driven tanks traditionally in Japan and people think it's weird to see men in tankery. It's quite possible that boys participate in tankery in other countries, but the Japanese regard tankery as feminine. This also is why we so rarely see men around Oarai and elsewhere in Japan; girls and women continue to outnumber boys and men in Japan. It also explains the motivations of some of the characters; Saori is really interested in falling in love and getting married because men are in such short supply in Japan, and takes up tankery to impress guys. The Nishizumi school of tankery, and the Isuzu school of flower arrangement are all headed by women, as Japan remains a matriarchal society and it's normal for women to be leaders, since they remain more common than men in Japan. Mako wants to graduate as soon as possible so she can spend time with her grandmother, who is her only living relative, and she is basically the head of the Reizei family.
On Men's Tankery
Seriously; you can't tell guys "We fuck about with tanks as a highschool, sport, but it's a girls-only activity." It's not going to fly. Conservation of Detail means we don't see males participating, since an all-girls school would be competing in the Women's Circut. If it wasn't an AGS, we'd see Men's and Co-Ed Tankery.
Miho's dream at the start of the first episode was precognition. In the dream, she was killed (sticking her head out while the enemy tank fired at her's), in episode #4, her tank evaded the shot.
On Danbooru, there are a few 4-koma comic strips, where Nonna puts drugs into Katyusha's drink, so she won't grow and forever satisfy Nonna's lolicon preferences. These drugs are in fact medicine: Katyusha's ancestors in "The World War III" (see the WMG above about how the world of Girls und Panzer is the product of an generations-long war) were genetically altered, so they may serve as super-soldiers, but sometimes it caused genetic instability in their descendants (stunted growth and stuff), which the drugs Nonna gives her are supposed to curb (they couldn't prevent her being abnormally small for her age (she's in fact few months older than Nonna), but they prevented the other health problems the genetic instability caused).
Why Hana's mother hates tankery
She was either injured during her own tankery in school or she lost someone close in war or tankery.
If Ooarai is not closed, who is?
My suggestion after OVA 7 is Anzio. It was described as a poor school - they could only afford Tankettes and a few tank Destroyers until they got their P40 just before the Ooarai match. If its a poor school that not well financed, it might be next of the chopping block.