Both Sides Have A Point / Fan Works

Times where it's noted that Both Sides Have a Point in Fan Works.

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Crossovers

• In Amazing Fantasy, Peter admits that both sides on the issue of the Superhuman Registration Act had a point. On one hand, he hated the sweeping authority it gave over superhumans who didn't even want to be superheroes and the abuses this authority caused. On the other, he supports the living wage, superhero networking, training, and support it provided to those who were willing and able to become heroes. He has to laugh out loud when he learns about the Hero system in Izuku's universe, which is essentially a peaceful and well-organized version of the SHRA.
• A Supe of a Man: Clark was extremely unhappy to learn Lois and Hughie's dubious actions as members of The Boys. Lois admits that she's not happy about the seedy things she's done, but doing everything the legal way didn't work, and she has no choice. She believes Clark can't understand because he has the powers of a god. Clark tells her that he understands, having lost his father at the hands of Homelander, but that murdering evil Supes isn't going to solve the problems that plague Supe society and would only turn him into a murderer himself.
• The Chaotic Masters: When arguing about why Uncle has never even considered teaching Jade magic, he says it's because she's too impulsive to be trusted with that kind of knowledge. And while he does cite some canonical incidents that support his point pretty well, it's also fairly strongly indicated that he's projecting some unrelated past incident onto the situation, causing him to unfairly judge Jade's capacity, as Jackie points out.
• In Doctor Who and the Rambaldi Enigma, the Third Doctor and Sydney have a debate about the long-term consequences of Rambaldi’s actions after he used his advanced knowledge to create his inventions, with Sydney objecting to Rambaldi unleashing such advanced technology on a relatively primitive society while the Doctor argued that knowledge in itself isn’t evil.
• A Dovahkiin Spreads His Wings: Catelyn and Ned Stark's huge row regarding Jon Snow. Ned is rightfully aghast and infuriated when his wife wrongfully insists the bastard is due to hurt his trueborn siblings merely because his illegitimate birth predisposes him to treachery, but Catelyn isn't wrong calling her husband out for wanting to force Jon to stay in Westeros when he's already leading a happy and successful life in Skyrim.
• In Event Horizon: Storm of Magic, Robb and Ned Stark have a disagreement over whether The Company™ has improved or worsened the lives of their people. Robb supports The Company™ as their ideas and technology have improved the lives of their people and allowed the North to modernize and industrialize into a modern nation with a well-equipped army. Ned counters The Company™'s "help" has caused pollution, and their people's traditions, culture, and values are being threatened by The Company™'s greed.
• In Game and Bleach, Ichigo and Tatsuki clear a dungeon and come across dozens of female ogres being held prisoner. Tatsuki demands they free the prisoners while Ichigo insists they don't. Tatsuki's argument is that it'd be inhumane to simply leave the women there to die while Ichigo's counter is that they have no common language, so they can't be sure the ogre women wouldn't attack them and they're in a videogame so said women aren't real. Immediately afterwards, Ichigo has to go through a blood sacrifice to open a locked door (Tatsuki doesn't have enough health to do it) and Tatsuki mocks him for his pain. Ichigo fires back that while those women are fake, his pain is very real and that's the second time he's had to make said sacrifice. After a few minutes to cool off, both admit they were at least partially in the wrong and the other had a point.
• Guardians, Wizards, and Kung-Fu Fighters: Deconstructed in Nerissa's Start of Darkness chapter. She says that Kandrakar has become too detached from the worlds they protect, which the Oracle admits, but also states that their laws must nevertheless be respected and obeyed. The fact that neither of them is willing to compromise their viewpoints just contributes to the growing divide between them that leads to Nerissa's eventually Face–Heel Turn.
• In A Horse For The Force, Master Giiett lightly chastens his fellow masters Koth and Dooku by saying that both of their respective views of Ranma are right. Dooku is right in that Koth is judging Ranma simply for having different opinions, while Koth is right in that Ranma's Brutal Honesty and opinions will put him at odds with at least a majority of the Jedi Order.
• History's Strongest Shinobi: The argument Naruto and Kenichi have on how to deal with Ragnarok. Kenichi prefers a wait and see approach, that allows both to avoid Ragnarok but leave them perpetually on the defensive. Naruto just wants to go Leeroy Jenkins on them, which could end the problem quickly... or force their opponents to come down on them in force. The bottom line is that the enemy has to be dealt with somehow.
• Infinity Train: Blossoming Trail:
  • Goh and Chloe have an argument over who is at fault for their friendship deteriorating. While Chloe brings up how Goh never returns her calls or messages because he's so obsessed with Pokémon to the point that she gave up on him, Goh counters that Chloe runs away from trying new things and that she also has refused every single time Ash has asked that she joins the two's search for more Pokémon.
  • When Goh chews out Chloe's classmates for pressuring her to fight Ash in Chapter 5, while they ultimately do admit they were being insensitive, they also point out that Goh is also at fault for being completely ignorant of Chloe's feelings when he's supposedly her best friend.
  • Lexi and Chloe argue on how the former really wants to punish Grace and Simon for all the atrocities they committed, while Chloe states that doing so will make him no better than those two. When Lexi questions if she wants to enact vengeance on those who hurt her, she agrees...but not before adding she doesn't want them dead or injured.
  • Trip and Ash argue on whether or not Goh should not know of the Infinity Train. Ash states that it's no better than lying and Goh would take this as a personal betrayal. But Trip adds that if Goh does learn it, he'll become obsessed with it and potentially enter it to find Chloe, making that an additional child disappearing and less of a chance of Chloe coming back.
    • As the story goes on, more nuance is added to this argument. Ultimately, while Trip continues to have a point, his argument does come across as the weaker one by the end of the first story. While there always was the danger of Goh becoming obsessed with the Train, Trip came to his conclusions without really taking the time to evalutate Goh personally. Not only that, but ignorance of the Train does not actually confer protection from being taken by it. By keeping Goh in the dark, Ash and Trip could protect him from one source of emotional trauma- but the boy was already spiraling towards the lowest part of his life.
• The J-WITCH Series:
  • In "Big Trouble, Bigger Jade", everyone has a right to get upset with Jade for casting magic on herself without thinking about the consequences and scold her for being irresponsible. However, Cornelia concedes that Jade wanting to help isn't a bad thing and is actually quite understandable. Jackie agrees to let Jade accompany them on their missions as long as she acts responsibly.
  • The argument over whether to tell Elyon about her true heritage is also this. While Cornelia in particular argues that keeping it from her puts her at risk, especially since Cedric has been using his human form to get closer to her, it's pointed out by the other side that she could easily just not believe them or freak out about it. Even Jade says that she'd have trouble handling everything at once if she was in Elyon's shoes. Unfortunately, they're unable to come to a consensus before it's too late.
• A Knight's Tale as Inquisitor deconstructs this trope in regards to the Mage-Templar War: due to both sides have legit grievances with the other and for fighting in this war, Arturia holds BOTH sides accountable for the damage done to the many people uninvolved in this fight and to Thedas as a whole, instead of trying to find a way to resolve this without any bloodshed. There's also the fact that no matter who actually wins, both sides will be facing the consequences of their decisions due to both rebelling against the Chantry and their choice to willingly war with each has resulted in no small amounts of collateral damage.
• In Kwami Magi Homura Magica Homura wants to use the Miraculouses to make a wish that will wipe out the Incubators from ever having existed, and Marinette wants to prevent her from making such a wish. Homura is very much trying to solve a serious problem, one that no one who is aware of Magical Girls and the Incubators disagrees with. No one likes the Incubators and its established that their goal of preventing entropy is actually pointless because of Plagg, who controls entropy and prevents it from getting out of control. So if they were wiped out from ever existing, the universe would not be in danger. However the fact that the universe would be destroyed to make such a new reality is a legitimate problem that Marinette and the Kwami have with this solution, as well as the fact that the nature of a wish with the Miraculous would create an equal exchange that would either replace the Incubators with something just as worse, if not outright destroy reality in trying with how entangled the Incubators are with multiple planets, not just Earth. Ultimately the solution is in the middle. The actions of the Incubators have damaged reality, meaning the universe did require a reset to avoid Cat Blanc esc scenarios from happening and endangering existence, but the solution was a wish with a less extreme goal than Homura's initial one that ultimately did reduce the Incubator's influence and save their victims from their original fates.
• In My Hero Academia: Unchained Predator, when Izuku screams at VEGA that the Slayer can't solve every problem with extreme violence, VEGA admits the case, but points out that the current target of said violence is a group of mercenaries willing to murder hundreds of innocent civilians, led by a man that has proven to be impossible to stop save with lethal force. Izuku is left in Stunned Silence after VEGA points out that the 'right' non-lethal way could end with said murderers escaping to continue their massacres.
• In My Ideal Academia, Aizawa lectures Yaoyorozu on her underestimating Shirou simply because her Quirk is more expansive than his, not taking into account he's much more skilled in using what he can create. Yaoyorozu counters that it's kind of hard to plan for someone who can use swords to deflect bullets, which he agrees to.
• Renegade: Word of God is that the conflict between the Global Defense Initiative, the Brotherhood of Nod, and the Citadel is a variation of this. No one is really right, but everyone is wrong on certain points, which is what leads to their conflicts.
• Shadows over Meridian:
  • When Jade and a captive Vathek debate her plans and goals in Chapter 24, she admits that he's right that Phobos is a self-serving tyrant who can't be completely trusted, but counters that it doesn't change the fact that Elyon was never properly prepared to rule, something that Vathek reluctantly concedes.
  • In Chapter 34, Phobos and the rebel Ilitia argue the merits of his reign vs Elyon's; he admits to many of the more aggressive actions he either ordered or allowed to happen under his rule, but points out that the rebellion hasn't been that much better since ousting him, something she can't deny.
• In Sure as the Setting Sun, Mob is worried about the side effects of Izuku's quirk (namely, breaking his bones) so during the Sports Festival, he makes his friend promise that he won't use One For All in his first fight of the tournament. Izuku breaks this promise, along with a finger, and Mob confronts him on it. Mob also notes how Izuku and Todoroki are taking things too seriously and someone is going to get hurt, then goes as far as to suggest that Izuku should give up. Izuku bites back saying that he has a lot to prove and that Mob is trying to hold him back because of his own insecurities. On one hand, Mob has no right to keep his friend from doing anything less then his best, and has no clue what Izuku had to go though in his life whereas Mob is fairly privileged (Mob was born with an immensely powerful quirk whereas Izuku was born quirkless). Izuku is also right in pointing out that Mob doesn’t know what he wants in life, and as such, can't see why someone like Izuku would put himself through the things he does. On the other hand, Mob is not in the wrong for being so concerned with his friend's health, and Izuku shouldn’t make promises he isn't sure he can keep. Additionally, Mob is right in that someone does get hurt in Izuku's fight with Todoroki, as by the end of it, Izuku ends up needing surgery.
• There's No Rule That Says A Wolf Can't Be A Jedi: Swift is naturally inclined to be philosophical, so when he hears about the Senate's debate over whether to increase or decrease the war budget, he's able to see the merit on both sides. One side wants to end the war through negotiation instead of violently conquering everything; the other side wants to end the war quickly to reduce casualties. Anakin, who was initially firmly on the "increase budget" side and angry about being summoned to get involved in the debate, leaves their discussion more thoughtful.
  Anakin: How can both sides of an argument be right?
  Swift: Because they're arguing about different things. Or most of them are, but it sounds like the same thing so it's harder to notice. ... But the difficult thing to see is that what both sides want is the same.
• Universe Falls:
  • The Aesop of "Forever Alone" involves Dipper and Steven accidentally fusing into "Stepper," who is much more unstable than Stevonnie or Maven. Steven thinks Dipper needs to pull himself away from his mysteries and learn how to open up to others and loosen up, while Dipper feels like he's being forced into something he's very uncomfortable with. It isn't until both halves acknowledge the other's point that the resulting fusion finally stabilizes.
  • Dipper lampshades that both Lapis and the Crystal Gems have legitimate reasons to dislike each other, though he obviously feels a bit biased towards Lapis.
  • In "Bot Battle", Stanford and McGucket are initially at odds because McGucket thinks Ford let the portal project go too far because of his pride, to which Ford retorts that Fiddleford just washed his hands of the whole thing and buried his head in the sand instead of trying to help stop whatever damage it caused. At the end of the chapter, the two make amends and admit that the other was right.
  • Dipper and Steven again in "Rifts". Steven, using his Dream Walker powers, learns about how bad Dipper's nightmares about Bill have gotten and offers to help. However, Dipper refuses, both because Steven used his powers on Dipper without telling him and because Steven's meddling has been unhelpful in the past. Steven, however, makes the point that him not telling anyone about the dreams or not doing anything to stop them is extremely unhealthy.
• Worm: Artifice: During her interrogation Ainsley points out that she was a traumatized kid who was in serious need of psychological help after finding out her father was a Serial Killer but was ignored. Herbie acknowledges that she has a point, but she also points out that she was a college student not a psychiatrist so she couldn’t have provided much help and did the best she could. She also points out that being neglected doesn’t excuse Ainsley for her crimes.
  NathanAllenBaker: The thing here is that Ainsley and Herberta are right. Herberta did neglect Ainsley, (Given what we've seen in canon, everyone neglected Ainsley) but Herberta was also a 22-year-old engineer with only a Psych 101 course's worth of knowledge about psychology and her own experience with about six months of therapy for severe anxiety, neither of which lends itself to untangling Malcolm and Ainsley's issues. Herberta did the best she could, and Ainsley can't justify her actions with the excuse of "No one ever paid attention to me".

ACTUALLY HAPPENED

• Truer Than Fiction: In “My Stepmother From Thailand Has a Surprise”, Emma and Mali both admit they made serious mistakes when trying to build a new family and are both trying to work through them.

Batman

• Last Laugh, First Steps has Dick and Jason discussing the relationship between their younger brothers. Dick rightfully points that Damian feels horrendously insecure and threatened by Tim being the perfect son and partner for Bruce, but Jason fires back it doesn't give the kid any right to constantly dish verbal abuse on Tim or straight-out assault him.

Buffyverse

• Xander's and Buffy's gripes with each other in Influenced Out of Normality are both acknowledged as being legitimate and both are in the wrong. Xander admits he's been giving Buffy the cold shoulder since she came back and he was wrong to try to ruin her relationship with Angel in the past. Buffy realizes that she should apologize for letting her friends think she was dead for months and that Xander understands her staking Angel since he had to stake Jesse, whom he considered his brother.

Danny Phantom

• Danny Phantom: Stranded: Stella and Joy (her former mother-in-law) have a very strained relationship, to say the least. The reason is that Joy never forgave her for leaving Johnathan (Joy's son) for Jean-Luc, abandoning Star (Joy's granddaughter) in the process, and acting like a negligent mother for a long time. Stella acknowledges that what she did in the past was wrong but has since been working hard to rebuild her relationship with her daughter and earn her forgiveness. In turn, Jonathan and Star, while having had a strained relationship with Stella for years, have given her a legitimate chance to redeem herself, and to Stella's credit, she has made sincere attempts to mend their relationship, despite making a few mistakes along the way. An excellent example of Stella's growth was when she helped with fixing Johnathan's then strained relationship with Solene (his new girlfriend), as well as FINALLY standing up to and cutting ties with her abusive mother for her mistreatment of Star and trying to set her up with a boy that she despises. However, Joy (due to living in New York) had not seen Stella's Character Development at all, and thus, still sees her as a terrible mother and makes not-so-subtle insults to Stella to her face, still seeing her as foolish, dishonest and a horrible role model for Star.
  • Their issues hit the ceiling when, while searching for Jazz, Joy kept insulting and degrading Stella due to still not seeing her as a changed person at all. Stella finally loses it and tries defending herself when she insults her new family. She admits that she knows that Joy hates her because of the circumstances of her and Johnathan's divorce and insists that she has changed since then. She acknowledged that she had made bad choices but is trying to be a better person for her daughter's sake and asks why Joy can't let it go. However, Joy finally snaps herself and releases all her pent-up anger and resentment with her, revealing the REAL reason for her hatred. She reveals that she (and Kirk) had tried to be good in-laws to Stella and welcomed her into the family, trying hard to make her feel accepted, and they took it as a personal betrayal when she left Johnathan and Star for another man with a child of his own. Joy points out that her leaving broke Johnathan's heart and traumatized Star, and Stella's previous nonchalant attitude over what had happened made matters worse. She also calls her out for being a terrible mother and setting a horrible example for Star and that she had been worried that Stella's actions would have warped her (which, in a way, had happened, but Star has changed for the better thanks to Danny's influence). To add salt to the wounds, Joy harshly admits that she NEVER liked Stella in the first place and only acted kind to her due to believing that she HAD to be nice to her since Johnathan loved her, a revelation that nearly broke Stella's heart in the process.
    • Once done, everyone felt pity for Stella but at the same time cannot deny Joy's points, since at a time, Stella really was a terrible and negligent mother before she started to shape up. However, Solene comforts Stella and also calls Joy out for her harshness. Johnathan also defends Stella and says that his mother went too far. When his parents ask why he is defending her (and point out that he has said worse about his ex many times before), Jonathan does not deny it and admits that Stella did all those bad things in the past. However, he also points out that Stella has done a lot to make up for her past actions to repair her relationship with Star and him. He also points out that she moved back to be closer to Star, defended her from Beatrice, and cut her out of their lives, and has since truly tried to be a better mother. Knowing how weak Stella used to be around Beatrice calms Joy down for a moment, but she does not take back what she said about Stella; she just apologizes that she got carried away when they should have been looking for Jasmine.

Dark Moon: The Blood Altar

• My Deepest, Darkest Secret: Seems to be a recurring theme in some of the arguments in the story.
  • While Heli, Jaan and Jakah's reactions to learning of Solon's werewolf half was actually understandable, given how Solon had lied to them for many years, something even Solon himself knew was bad and hated every second of secrecy, plus even aware that they'd react like that, he also wasn't completely in the wrong for doing it, though, considering a) Solon wasn't even aware of said werewolf heritage until the beginning of the story, and b) considering his brothers' general opinion of werewolves, telling them didn't really seem like much of a good idea, either, which was proven correct when as mentioned above, half of the brothers had extremely violent reactions (to the point the other half needed to hold them back) when Solon had finally fessed up the secret. Solon even lampshaded how miserably hopeless his whole situation really was during a mental dilemma.
  • Related to the above, While Jino, Shion and Noa didn't try to harm Solon nor said anything bad about him following The Reveal of his werewolf half, a furious Solon correctly fires back that they aren't any better since they also didn't stop them either, not until Heli, Jaan and Jakah were mere seconds away from physically attacking Solon, and for most of the whole ordeal the trio did nothing other than watch as the other three verbally attacked him. The three even shamefully cringed in agreement of that.
  • When Tahel argued with Najak for being too harsh to the already remorseful vampires was not helping their already shaky alliance, along with rightfully pointing out that they should try to be more civil to them, Najak also had every right to call them out for what they did to Solon beforehand, and their general prejudice against werewolves, and to some extent, their general treatment of Solon. It's worth noting that while Tahel was insistent on keeping the peace, he didn't even refute that statement.
  • In the bonus chapter, similar to Solon's situation on the top, Sooha was pretty upset with the fact that Heli never told her the truth about them being vampires, and rightfully so, considering that she has told him some pretty personal stuff of her own. However, Heli was also in the right for not telling Sooha, considering that a) Unlike Sooha, Heli's personal stuff wasn't just his alone, but also his brothers' personal stuff too, b) just because Heli trusted her wholeheartedly and was pretty close to her on (up to a near romantic level), that did not mean that his brothers were on the same level as Heli (for proof: Jakah was not happy when four of the brothers showed her their powers when they were just mere acquaintances and Solon didn't even like her) and c) Sooha didn't even like vampires, and she probably wouldn't have taken it so well.

Ever After High

• In Poisoning Apple, the debate of Rotbart taking Raven's place as Apple's villain. Apple's right that Rotbart is abandoning his responsibility to his story which could doom both Snow White and Swan Lake and it's very demanding that he expects for her to accept him. Rotbart is right that Apple's story will be fine with a replacement villain, especially someone who actually wants to play villain and no one knows if defying one's fate will doom the story. If Apple complains that he's too evil, well he's a villain. He points out that Apple is so used to the non-threatening and benign Raven being her villain, she is not used to the idea that she would actually have to work for her happy ending with a genuinely evil villain.

Harry Potter

• Departure From The Diary: When Hermione goes to the professors about Harry receiving a Firebolt for Christmas, Harry takes the middle ground between her and Ron. On the one hand, the broom did arrive under rather suspicious circumstances and is prohibitively expensive^*Harry could live comfortably, though not lavishly for the rest of his life without having to work and still didn't have enough gold to buy one. On the other, Ron's right that it's impossible for Sirius Black to wander into Gringotts and make a withdrawal of that size given the bounty on his head. Worse is that Hermione went behind Harry's back to inform the professors rather than simply talk to him, especially since Harry was trying to ask her opinion before she ran off.

Hellaverse

• Owl's Hell That Ends Well: Stolas confronts Blitzo shortly after saving I.M.P. from DHORKS, regarding lying about Octavia's fate to him, even after personally revealing so much about him and making it clear just how devastated he was after she was taken from him. The Prince feels understandably betrayed by this, but as Blitzo rightfully points out, not only did he keep Via's fate a secret by her request, but the imp had every right to think the worst of Stolas based on what he was made to believe all these years, and how he constantly felt like little more than a sexdoll to him.
• Shadows Over Hell:
  • When Stella confronts Octavia at the end of Chapter 5, the two have an argument regarding her relationship with Loona. While Octavia is the one most in the right, as the friendship with Loona is much more real and friendly than any of the ones she's had with other demons like her, Stella does bring up a good point, that associating with a lower class demon, while her father's already in a deep scandal regarding his affair with Blitzo is going to drag her and their family's image through the mud. While it's still filled with racist, classist, and bigotted undertones, it's understandable why she'd be worried about it.
  • Stella and Stolas' talk in Chapter 20 is this was well. Yes, Stella is overly critical, bigoted and disapproving of Octavia's friendship with Loona and doesn't always attempt to hear her out, but Stolas is too lenient and uncaring about how Hell views them, he often neglects to properly prepare his daughter for her future as a member of the Ars Goetia, and his relationship affair with Blitzo has done just as much damage to the family as Stella's overly controlling hand is doing right now.
  • After a mission goes horribly wrong, and almost ends up costing Millie's life, Moxxie considers finally quitting I.M.P. and leaving Blitzo behind, getting into a debate about it with his wife. Millie, who despite being hurt and still not fully forgiving Blitzo, wants to stay a while longer and not leave him just yet. While Moxxie is absolutely correct that Blitzo is often selfish, egotistical and a jerk, who keeps putting them in unnecessary risks at the best of times, Millie counters they both knew the job wouldn't be without risks and that while their boss' behavior shouldn't be encouraged, he only acts this way to mask his loneliness and he's been steadily improving himself recently, especially with help from Stolas. Leaving him now, would only cause him more grief than he's already going through.
  • Stolas, Rufus and I.M.P. are all furious when they learn that Lucifer knew about the true cause of the Uproar and Octavia being abducted by Mother. They insist that he should've done more to attempt to prevent the calamity or at least warn his people about them, as him withholding the information caused the ruin of several cities and the loss of thousands. However, Lucifer stands by his decision, knowing that his people would be unable to understand of comprehend the existence of such otherworldly horror and at worst would attempt to join the cause to free her, thus causing even more chaos and disorder; and possibly turn his people against him.

Homestuck

• A major conflict in the fanventure cool and new web comic is John/"Jhon's" killing of Sweet Bro/"Swet Bro", and Hella Jeff/"Hecka Jef's" attempt to avenge him. The issue is that Rose is immune to the comic's Stylistic Suck and, from her perspective, everything around her turned into exaggerated nonsense, but she believes that it is possible to "enhance" other people to be like her. She believes that her friends were corrupted by some sapient force, and wants to revert them back — which would involve keeping Jhon alive in the chance that he, too, can become regular John. Both parties want what's best for their friends, and the issue lies in seeing Jhon as a murderer (which is true, as he not only killed Swet Bro purposefully, but he also tried to hide the evidence by baking it in to a cake) or as an innocent friend that has fallen victim to a multiversal corruption that made him Not Himself (which is also true to an extent — Rose has memories of everything being normal, and while she was shitty until being "enhanced" at the beginning of the story, signs point to it being possible to break John and the others out of whatever it is that's affecting the world).

Kingdom Hearts

• Runaway Wind: After Leon chews Ven out for rescuing Naminé from Castle Oblivion, Ven eventually acknowledges that Leon's concerns aren't entirely unfounded. Yes, things worked out, but Leon isn't wrong that he had no way of knowing whether Naminé was trustworthy. Had she been manipulating him, it all could have turned out significantly worse.

The Loud House

• Lily Visitation has Lori and Leni not liking Carol for being mean to the Louds. However, Carol would have been under Michigan's age of consent when Lynn Sr. had unprotected sex with her (thus resulting in Lily being conceived). Lori and Leni defend their father's actions, when he got away with (statutorily) raping Carol.

Miraculous Ladybug

• Dodged a Beetle: In this Role Swap AU, Officer Raincromprix gets fired by the Mayor when he refuses to arrest Marinette and Lila after the latter calls out Chloé on tripping her friend. She's pissed off when Marinette resolves the issue by telling everyone she slipped, leading to a brief exchange where each acknowledges the other's point:
  • Much as she wants Chloé to actually face consequences for her bullying, Marinette doesn't want an innocent man to lose his job over it. That's too high a price, even if she's not the one paying it.
  • However, Lila counters that this means Chloé got away with it again, and that her father's threats still worked.
• Feralnette AU: During the Birds of a Feather arc, Marinette is injured while protecting some fleeing ballet students from the latest akuma. Alya scolds her for being so reckless, only for Marinette to observe how hypocritical it is for the Ladyblogger to berate her for protecting others when she's constantly endangering herself and others while Going for the Big Scoop. While Marinette is right that Alya has some Skewed Priorities and isn't very good about considering the impact her actions have upon others, she also fails to see that Alya is sincerely worried about her, mistaking her Anger Born of Worry for just plain anger.
• Fortune Favors the Brave: On one hand, Chartroux has valid reasons to be concerned about Red Beatle's ability to defend himself; his power set isn't offensively oriented like hers, and he doesn't know how to fight, forcing him to dodge and evade akuma. It makes sense that she wants him to train so that he's not so reliant upon her. That said, both of them are just barely starting out, having received their Miraculi mere days before, and she's already looking down upon him for not living up to HER definition of the Ideal Hero, dismissively labeling him her 'sidekick' and even considering replacing him outright.
• It's Complicated kicks off with Chat Noir publicly declaring his love for Ladybug during a livestream on the Ladyblog, while Ladybug's transformation timer is about to run out. She reminds him that she's already told him that she likes somebody else before leaving. The next day, Marinette is shocked when the whole class sides with the clearly dejected Chat Noir, calling Ladybug cold and callous. She points out that he put her on the spot, knowing both that she needed to leave and that she'd already told him that she didn't return his feelings. After rewatching the video, Alya concedes the point, and Chat Noir apologizes at their next meeting. Ladybug apologizes in turn, realizing he was sincere and that this was affecting their partnership.
  Ladybug: The way I treated you wasn't right. I totally disregarded your feelings and let my own frustration and anxiety get the better of me. I still think your timing was atrocious, and I don't think it was right of you to put me on the spot like that. However, even if my feelings weren't the same, I shouldn't have treated your feelings like they didn't matter. I'm sorry.
• lies of attrition: Both Ladybug and Chat Noir make valid points in regards to their motives: as Chat Noir points out, the Wish was the thing they'd been fighting for so long to prevent, and now Ladybug wants to preserve Monarque's Wish without telling him the details about it, but as Ladybug points out, undoing the Wish would mean re-condemning someone (namely Nathalie) to death.
• Truth and Consequences: Ladybug and Chat Noir disagreeing over what to do with Hawkmoth when the former discovers his secret identity: Ladybug argues for giving him his wish to bring his wife back in exchange for him giving up the Butterfly and Peacock Miraculouses, on the basis that if his identity became public knowledge his family (i.e., Adrien) would be harassed for being associated with a supervillain, and his employees would be out of a job, therefore letting him go causes less harm. Chat Noir counters that Hawkmoth has terrorized Paris for years, and allowing him to be a Karma Houdini would be unfair to everyone he's hurt, backed up by Kagami pointing out how traumatic being turned into an Akuma actually is. Both sides do make good cases, though as Tikki points out, Marinette's motives are more selfish, as if Hawkmoth were anyone other than Adrien's father she wouldn't think twice about throwing him in jail and working to mitigate the blowback afterward.
• Two Letters is set six months after Marinette retired, passing on the Earrings to a Sketchy Successor. Its central conflict is that several people want to track the original Ladybug down and force her to start saving them again, because "that's what heroes do." Marinette refuses, and Luka is torn: on one hand, she retired because everyone was taking her completely for granted, expecting her to solve all their problems for them while being Ungrateful Bastards. However, he can also see that things are gradually getting worse in Paris; somebody needs to do something about their new protector and the Cult of Personality she's forming around herself. And while he agrees with Marinette that it shouldn't have to be her, he also worries about how much she's Stopped Caring about everyone else...

My Hero Academia

• Green Tea Rescue:
  • Izuku and Ochako's conflict over Bakugo functions this way. While Izuku points out that Katsuki is changing for the better, finally acknowledging him as a rival and expressing worry about his wellbeing, Ochako notes that none of this changes the way he used to treat him, or his lack of apology for how he previously behaved. Furthermore, she's worried that if Katsuki backslides, Izuku will as well, being so used to making excuses for his callous cruelties.
  • Recovery Girl and Izuku's other mentors (All Might, Aizawa and Gran Torino) all criticize his recklessness and self-destructive behavior, telling him that he needs to take better care of himself. Izuku eventually snaps back that one of the main reasons he keeps getting hurt is because of having to step up and save somebody in times where Pro Heroes were either absent or otherwise uninvolved with the situation.
• With Confidence: While trying to decide whether or not to accept One for All, Izuku presents it as a hypothetical quandary to other Quirkless people. One side admits that having a Quirk would be helpful in order to avoid discrimination, though they'd prefer something weak or minor. The other expresses outrage at the notion of needing a Quirk to "conform to society's standards". Both sides are treated as equally valid, though Izuku privately notes neither helps him resolve his current conflict.

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic

• Love, in All Its Forms: Luna's changeling daughter, Antumbra, must feed on her mother's love to survive, leaving her drained of life, and Celestia wants to get rid of her for the sake of Luna's well-being. She is right that Antumbra's feeding is causing severe harm to Luna's health, but Luna will hear none of it. But Antumbra is only an innocent little foal and cannot control her power, and she will probably not survive if separated from her mother, since she needs love to feed on and there is no one else who knows about her existence (and therefore, no one else who can give her the love she needs). When Celestia decides to deal with Antumbra by banishing her to the deserts and telling Luna that she is dead, the story does not say if she was right or wrong, but seems to leave it up to the reader to decide.
• Loved and Lost: While most of the story is devoted to Twilight's dishonored loved ones being punished and forced to own up to their mistakes that contributed to the falling out at the rehearsal as well as the Changeling invasion, Twilight herself has a Jerkass Realization before she reconciles with the others. Twilight admits to having given reason for everypony to believe she was only jealous of "Princess Cadance", while everypony else admits not only to being insensitive to Twilight, but also for being too oblivious to realize that something fishy was going on until it was too late. Moreover, Twilight takes responsibility over falling for Jewelius' manipulations and disowning her loved ones in retaliation, while her loved ones acknowledge that they gave Twilight every reason to doubt them. Everypony chooses to blame only themselves (or in the Mane Five and Spike's case, each other collectively) for their own failings while comforting and assuring each other that none of them was entirely to blame for anything.
• Vee For Vendetta: Veggie Vee wants to promote healthier eating habits in Ponyville, while Pinkie Pie wants everyone to have the freedom to eat whatever they choose. Both go increasingly overboard in promoting their respective viewpoints, with Veggie eventually taking over Ponyville.

Naruto

• The center of Kurama and Kakashi's conflict in Blackkat's Reverse. Kurama is right that the villages treat their jinchuuriki horribly and don’t know how to train them to their full potential. Hiruzen even admits that their treatment can be considered child abuse on anyone else. But Kakashi is right that Kurama is a kidnapper, as he’s taking young and malleable jinchuuriki from their villages and is igniting tensions between the Great Ninja Villages. Konoha barely managed to prevent another Shinobi War from breaking out.
• The Echo Remains, But The Song Is Not The Same: Shikaku notes that both the Sandaime and his son have valid points in their conflict over Naruto:
  • Shikamaru rightly notes that Naruto's isolation and mistreatment at the hands of most of Konoha's citizens is unfair, and he desperately wants to set things right. But his chosen method of tackling the problem, snarkily insulting and trying to shame the villagers into not being Jerkasses isn't actually solving the problem. Instead, it's just prompting the insulted villagers to snap back.
  • Hiruzen, meanwhile, wants Shikamaru to learn how to step back and analyze situations in a more logical fashion instead of reacting emotionally and making matters worse. But he also isn't doing anything to address the underlying problem of Naruto being abused — and with Shikamaru Locked Out of the Loop and knowing nothing about the jinchuuriki, he's left convinced that Adults Are Useless and that he's the best line of defense his friend has.
• Naruto in Eroninja states that he understands why Minato sealed the Kyuubi within him, explaining that the man had to make a choice between doing what's best for his village and what's best for his family. While Naruto doesn't begrudge Minato his decision, Naruto doesn't think he'd ever be able to sacrifice his family in favor of the village.
• Uzumaki Naruko To The Victor The Spoils V 2: Anko mediates in a fight between Naruko and Ino over their respective dietary preferences by pointing out that both sides' criticisms have merit. Naruko eats almost nothing but instant ramen, which Anko calls "hypertension waiting to happen"; Ino, on the other hand, is dieting too much, and isn't meeting the necessary caloric intake necessary for an average person, let alone an active kunoichi.

The Owl House

• Two's a Crowd: During the original Luz and "Luz"/Lus argument in chapter 9, the POV shifts between the two of them and from their respective perspectives they both have valid points even if "Luz"/Lus ultimately has the moral high ground. From the original Luz's perspective, "Luz"/Lus is coming out of nowhere saying they have a right to their life, so it's understandable that the original Luz would be defensive of the clone trying to live any part of her life. While from "Luz"/Lus' perspective, she is just trying to find a compromise that will let her live, has no intention of taking over the original's life and the original Luz is being a bit of a hypocrite by making a fuss over it.

Pokémon

• Ash and Red have a rather big argument in Chapter 27 of Pokémon Reset Bloodlines in regards to using their bloodline abilities in competitive battling (Red can see the potential outcome of any move he will make in a battle and the accompanying odds of it leading to victory while Ash can give his Pokémon brief power boosts). Red believes that not using them is the same as a naturally gifted person not giving their all, and views Ash as arrogant and disrespectful to his opponents for acting this way. Ash, on the other hand, views his abilities as an unfair advantage that normal humans can't compete against, as well as thinking that if he uses it, it would mean he didn't believe in his Pokémon's strength, only using his abilities in situations where either his Pokémon would have otherwise died or the consequences of losing would have been far worse than just a lost battle. The story doesn't take either side, instead allowing readers to draw their own conclusions. Ultimately, further developments resulted in both Ash and Red seeing where the other was coming from, with Red encountering someone who used his philosophy of always going all out to respect your opponents as an excuse to be a bully and Ultima pointing out that it's a good thing to hold back to not kill or maim your opponent, especially when sparring, and Ash winning a battle that left a bad taste in his mouth after learning his opponent wasn't using his best team to spy on him and figure out what made him tick for the Indigo League and beyond.

Power Rangers

• The Power Rangers S.P.D. fic Kings and Vagabonds sees Crueger basically do this to himself. Initially, he arranges for the future SPD Rangers- Sky, Bridge, Z and Syd- to be taken from their parents (all former Rangers) and raised at the SPD academy so that they can be prepared to act as Earth's defenders when Emperor Grumm finally reaches Earth, reasoning at the time that this is the only way to be certain that Earth will be ready as he knows the children will be born with their future powers. However, after the parents are reunited with their adult children, Crueger finds himself considering the fact that all of their parents were former Power Rangers who would have likely raised their children to be ready to fight for Earth anyway, but then realises the problem with that view as Bridge's parents lived on Mirinoi and may not have been willing to relocate to Earth, Crueger cursing himself over the fact that both perspectives have flaws.

Prehistoric Park

• Prehistoric Park Reimagined: Over the course of the dunkleosteus rescue mission Devils of the Deep, the unpleasant tensions between rescue team members Jack and Leon finally reach a critical boiling point and they end up having several blowout arguments. But while all their worst arguments with each other over the course of this episode come at horribly inopportune times and consist of the both of them acting like complete jackasses to each other, both boys also manage to bring up stingingly valid criticisms against each other at the same time. As Jack points out, Leon has not yet demonstrated very much (if any) proper evidence at this point of actually being competent at the work he's been hired for outside of decent skill at handling a noise broadcasting device and a treasure trove of knowledge on various types of animals, has at least twice fallen victim to unpleasant situations that could have easily been avoided by someone with more skill, and ultimately played a minor role in the rescueing of their mutual friend Yolanda from a crassigyrinus float in the previous episode that would have amounted to nothing if not for outside intervention in the form of Leon's buddy Adrian releasing the proterogyrinus Andrias into the crassigyrinus pool to scare the smaller amphibians away. But as Leon himself points out, he can at least take credit for using a consistent and reliable strategy in the form of his noise broadcasting device while Jack has a quite widely known history of rushing blindly into dangerous situations without thinking or planning ahead or seemingly having any regard for personal safety even when there are perfectly viable safer options for courses of action immediately available, that Jack himself is in no place to criticize him for 'using a crutch in lieu of actual skill' in the form of his noise broadcasting device when Jack is quite frankly guilty of the exact same behavior in the form of constantly relying on his insanely good luck to make it out of his various stunts unscathed, and there's also the rather damning fact that Jack never once thanked Leon for helping to save Yolanda in the aforementioned previous episode despite three weeks having now passed In-Universe since the day in which said rescue occurred. Ultimately, they both acknowledge each other's points after their argument ends up getting them both suspended from rescue mission duty as a result of their argument very nearly getting team leader Drew killed or maimed.

Rosario + Vampire

• Rosario Vampire: Brightest Darkness:
  • In Act VI chapter 46, after hearing Kokoa and Gin's side of the story between the Love Triangle between the two of them and Sun, Arial reaches this conclusion; while she states that Kokoa undoubtedly went too far with her attack on Sun, especially since said attack has left Sun essentially brain dead, she also realizes why Kokoa reacted the way she did; since Sun did spy on her and Gin having sex, and told her she didn't deserve Gin to her face, she basically brought it on herself.
  • Both Tsukune's group and the HDA admit this in Act VI chapter 50. While Moka and co. had good reason to be annoyed with the HDA, considering they automatically deemed all monsters evil based on the actions of a few, the HDA was only acting in self-defense and doing their jobs; as they point out, if humans had been responsible for an attack on a monster city, monsters would have reacted exactly the same way. The latter point is especially poignant, since back in chapter 40, Headmaster Mikogami made those exact same points to the other Dark Lords.

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

• In Home, while Coda rejected the Builders Association's request for funding, Hordak allowed it. Coda is trying to keep Dryl's economy steady by only funding what he sees as necessary enterprises, preferring to find the mining operations and making sure that their workers are safe and payed, that money eventually reaching their families and other businesses and thus spurs economic growth. Hordak on the other hand believes that the money should be used to provide for the everyday citizens, putting in the efforts to rebuild Dryl to higher living standards so that they have enough to work at maximum efficiency. Really, it is a case of Individualism vs. Collectivism and neither of them are completely wrong in their reasoning.

The Smurfs

• The Smurfs That Canon Forgot become divided over the best way to handle protecting the village and themselves in the wake of Papa Smurf and several others abruptly disappearing. Scaredy insists that they can't simply wait for Papa to return, and the defenses he constructs do help... but also result in an Escalating War with Gargamel until he loses a hand and severely cuts back his attacks. His detractors protest his violent methods, even while forced to rely upon them due to their inability to come up with any better ideas. While they believe themselves morally superior due to championing traditional smurf ways, they also contribute to the growing instability, even resorting to brutal intimidation tactics and terrorizing Scaredy.

A Song of Ice and Fire

• The Raven's Plan: At one point, Bran argues with Jon and Sansa about whether or not to fill Ned in on everything that happened in the old timeline all at once. Since more people Remember than planned, Bran feels that Ned should be informed of everything by them before someone else enlightens him, angering him due to not hearing it from them. On the other hand, Jon and Sansa want to spread out the information as to ensure that Ned is not overwhelmed by being hit with too much at once.

Star Wars

• Wilhuff Tarkin, Hero of the Rebellion: In a pre-Clone Wars segment Tarkin and Padme discuss the Military Creation Act: while they and their respective factions agree the Judicials have failed to enforce the law and protect the hyperlanes and that a large fleet of proto-Star Destroyers would be wasteful (Tarkin believes that, as long as there's not a war, a "mere" few hundreds can serve as deterrent from extra-galactic incursions), Tarkin believes a proper navy is necessary as soon as possible, while Padme is worried that creating one during the Separatist Crisis could precipitate a war.

Steven Universe

• In Faded Blue, Lapis calls out the Gems for being imprisoned for thousands of years, which they fire back that they weren't the ones who imprisoned her, Homeworld was. Lapis states that the Gems didn't even try to free her, but the Gems thought that all Gem-based items (like Lapis' mirror) were "dead" gems that didn't have a personality or memories, so they had no reason to do so. Lapis being imprisoned when she could have been freed was wrong, but the Gems didn't know she was there.

Tolkien's Legendarium

• Splint: Although it's acknowledged that the Orcs were technically the original aggressors, Orcs and Men both have sympathetic viewpoints and both have some legitimate grievances against each other; this is particularly demonstrated during some arguments and conversations between Rukhash and Cadoc in early chapters. They eventually come to a mutual agreement that both their people have wronged the other in some way and that maybe it would be better if they tried to move past this together rather than getting trapped in a Cycle of Revenge.
  Rukhash: …I know… I know my lot has always been a little…heavy handed…when it come to your folk–
  Cadoc: A little heavy handed? A little! Your lot has raped and murdered its way across my country, and you consider that a little heavy handed? Do you know how many lives your kind has destroyed? How many sons and daughters your people have ravaged and maimed? I think you would choose your words more wisely if you saw the children orphaned and mothers now grieving for their sons, if it's even possible for your kind to feel an ounce of compassion at all.
  Rukhash: What do you know about anything? I were just a girl when I lost my dad and mum and sisters and then my brother and then, after it were all said and done and the War was finished your folk still wanted more. So I loose my clan and my mate and my whelps and now I'm here with nothing. I don't need to see them women or them kids because I was one!

Touhou Project

• The Gensokyo 20XX series has Reiko and Yukari and their conflict thereof in relation to Reimu. Both were wrong in the case that the former didn't have to hire the latter, an infertile youkai, as a wet-nurse and had a right for wanting Reimu back, as there was an agreement and the aforementioned is her child. However at the same time, the latter has a reason for wanting her, too, in that she cannot have children and took care of her since birth. However, they both could have worked something out, which is subtly expressed. Amoridere acknowledged this:
  Amoridere: Ya' gotta admit, both of them are at fault, as Mikosan asked an infertile youkai to be a wet nurse, when she could have asked an ordinary human to do and Yukari could have worked something out after she had to return Reimu. [...] Yes, yes, if anything their rivalry seemed to be irrational at best but both are pretty reasonable in feeling the way they do.
• A running theme of Imperfect Metamorphosis is that everyone are doing things for justifiable reasons, but their conflicting methods and refusal to communicate leads to mistrust and infighting, which leads to more mistrust and infighting. Team 9 want to save their friend, Reisen wants to save her friend, Eirin wants to fix her mistake, Sonozika wants to protect humans from youkai, Yukari wants to defend Gensokyo as a whole (at any cost), Kotohime and the GPF want to keep order, Rumia and Rin Satsuki just want to survive, and so on and so forth. Characters like Reimu and Byakuren acknowledge this trope and try for a peaceful, mutually beneficial resolution, but it doesn't work out too well. The only exceptions are Rumia's Superpowered Evil Side, for obvious reasons, and maybe Yuuka, but who knows what she's thinking.

Tsubasa -RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE-

• Shatterheart has this in regards to Fai finding out Real!Syaoran and Kurogane's Secret Relationship. Fai is right that Kurogane and Syaoran have a very codependent relationship and keeping their relationship a secret will hurt them in the long-run. Fai points while Syaoran is an adult, Kurogane should have known better than to take up Syaoran's offer for a relationship because they know that he's still in love with Sakura. Syaoran points that he's capable of making his own decisions and that he is also to blame for keeping a relationship a secret. Syaoran points that it was his decision who he tells because he wasn't never with Sakura. Kurogane points that group relations were hostile and Fai treated Syaoran like crap most of the time, so Fai has no right to stay something now.

Turning Red

• In The Great Red Panda Rescue, it is pointed out that Ming pandaing out would ensure a victory but the counterargument, that her red panda form being Kaiju-sized might make saving Meilin more complicated also has merit.

Young Justice

• In Life Ore Death, the protagonist Ferris treats the Superman and Superboy situation like this once she understands it. Superman never did anything for which he has to take responsibility - he's functionally a date-rape victim now being hit up for child support - but Conner hasn't done anything to deserve being ignored, even if Superman doesn't owe him anything.

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