This was a thing! If you go on You Tube, you get a bunch of analyses questioning if the room was a sweet gesture or an insensitive one. One You Tuber pointed out that the issue is Diane is scared of being vulnerable and letting someone take care of her emotionally, which was why letting Guy help her was Character Development.
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I think some of the Broken Base and Base-Breaking Character entries were cut too hastily. I get a lot of them, but I see so many people fight that Diane is either the best or the worst character on the show that I can't believe her entry was deleted. I think Paige Sinclair could probably be a Base-Breaking Character as well, but it might be too skewed towards people disliking her passionately while others just find her okay.
I also think the Penny incident might a subject of Broken Base because I see a lot of people argue over whether Penny is at all responsible for it — Fandom VIP Shady Doorags did a poll on what the fandom thought of the incident and a whole video addressing the issue. Same with Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's relationship problems, which kind of ties into the Diane Base-Breaking Character thing, but I've seen really aggressive opinions that either Diane or Mr. PB is the main one at fault, even when the show suggests they're both at fault in some way.
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I'm not quite sure if Paige is The Scrappy. I've seen critics praise the homage in her first episode, and she definitely has fans, along with Max. I'd list them more as base breaking but they were introduced too late in the show qualify for that trope.
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Well, you can add Paige as Base Breaking Characters once the end of July comes around because you can't talk about base-breaking stuff until six months after something was released. But for now, I think the entry under The Scrappy sounds like they're just complaining and it should be cut.
Would Diane be considered a Creator's Pet? She's always portrayed as in the right even when she oversteps her boundaries despite being hypocritical at times, anyone who disagrees with her is portrayed as comically wrong and she was given a stereotypical sitcom happy ending, while other characters like Bojack, Todd, and Mr. Peanutbutter weren't given that.
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I don't think so - while she is generally well-intentioned and socially conscious in a way most of the cast isn't, she definitely is not portrayed as right all the time. Her own issues lead her to being conflict avoidant to a damaging degree, as well as being just as self-destructive as Bojack at times (like when she returned from North Cordovia and then didn't tell her husband she was back for six months), and she does repeatedly have to face her own flaws and limitations as a person.
Okay fair enough, I guess my problem with her is just subjective then
Also, Creator's Pet has to involve the character being strongly disliked by the audience. Diane's pretty well liked.
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Was Bojack ever subjected to And You Thought It Would Fail?
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Not really, since I think it went pretty much straight from obscurity to critical acclaim.
No one really thought it would fail, no one really thought of it.
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I feel like that would only apply if say, the show was weekly, so people would see the early episodes and think "eh it's just some crude adult animation" and wave it off, but since Netflix releases entire seasons, anyone who has their doubts at the first few episodes would just be encouraged to keep going and have the rest of the season to form their opinion. I think it's generally agreed that once you get towards the latter half of the first season you start to understand what kind of show it is and people really like it 'cause of that.
Unless the trope IS about something that was obscure and unpopular and then became well known and popular, I might be misunderstanding.
Author's Saving Throw: Viewers judged Diane at the end of season 4 for rejecting Mr. Peanutbutter's Grand Romantic Gesture of creating her dream room in their new house, debating if it was a violation of boundaries and showing her husband wouldn't change, or that Diane can't appreciate the good in her life. It caused a lot of controversies. "Planned Obsolescence" in season 5 has Diane interview Laika, the first woman, and dog in space, and discuss her marriage. Laika then asks as Mr. Peanutbutter and Pickles listen, why her husband creating the room of her dreams was a dealbreaker. Diane can't answer.
did this really cause controversy? because Diane has stated this boundary over and over. or am I just too hopeful for fandom to actually listen to her?
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