I'm really doubtful about Chief Bogo from Zootopia being an example, even if he would be just a "Funny Animal example". It just feels kinda shoehorned to apply a human trope to anthropomorphic animals- not to mention that Bogo doesn't really come off as scary as much as just stern. Thoughts?
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He's heavily coded as black. That hardly seems to be a shoehorn as black-coded character rely on tropes the same way black characters do... remember tropes are shorthand, and the same shorthand applies whether he's human or an animal. I mean, he's still an African American (Zootopian? I don't know what the country is in the movie).
That said, I could be convinced about the "not so much scary as stern" as I don't recall past being Da Chief.
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Do other people really think Coach from Left 4 Dead 2 fits this trope? Personally, I don't find anything about him inherently scary. I won't edit it out myself if other people have objections, but I really do not think he belongs here.
I was too lazy to put the tilde in the en-yay. That's just how I roll.
I'm thinking that quite a lot of the entries in this section should be trimmed out. It appears to me that, for a lot of the posters to this tvtropes entry, ALL Black Men fall into the "Scary Black Man" category.
Shouldn't entries to this particular tropes page be restricted to instances where the Black Man in question is perceived by other characters as scary or intimidating? Shouldn't the character actually DO something "scary" as a part of the plot of the story to be considered? The viewer's personal reaction to seeing a large African American man on a screen or a page shouldn't be the sole deciding factor for including the example.
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Yeah, pull these entries.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There are also a few entries about white people and other people with unknown ethnicity mentioned here and there (Kongol from Legend Of Dragoon, who is definitly white, or Craig Marduk from Tekken - this one is also a Zero Context Example). Should I pull these entries and others which are similar? Because it seems to me that there are a few Square Peg Round Trope examples on this page.
Edition: I went ahead and made some modifications, only taking care of the video game section. The whole page would eventually need further scrutinity.
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The discussion of a "lack of big Asians who aren't sumo" or a "lack of whites who aren't professional wrestlers" makes it seem like Scary Black Man is Truth in Television. Reality is actually quite different. African-Americans are on average smaller than Caucasian-Americans by an inch. Continental Africans stand on average 4 inches shorter than Continental Europeans. The two tallest nations are in Europe and Asia.
Anyway, that should either be altered to show that this is a PERCEPTION of the authors based on the same problematic stereotypes referenced in the same paragraph and not the reality that the authors are trying to express.
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Why does it say that the Scary Black Man doesn't have to be black? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense and it appears that very few examples are not black. I'd like to cut that bit from the article if nobody objects.
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It says that because people were getting hung up on whether or not the people listed as examples were black or not, making what I (the creator of the article) intended to be as race-agnostic as possible into a bit of a racial edit war.
Look at the Archived Discussion for why it was added.
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I'd say that saying it's this "as long as they are dark-haired and dark-skinned" makes it worse. It implies that skin color really is what race is all about, and a correlate of behavior.
Why no music section? Too many race-related edit wars? I mean, there are people in music other than rap artists who fit the description; just look at Caller of the Storms from Blasphemy. Absolutely massive dude known for both his stage presence and his tendency to get involved in brawls, the latter of which holds true for the entire band.
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Bluntly: Yes. Since this is an appearance trope, music still ties into real life. Its a shame we have to do it, but this is one of those things that's just asking for trouble. You know how it is on the internet.
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Perhaps I'm missing something (hence why this is in discussion and not already edited), but the page picture's Pot Hole to Deadpan Snarker seems out of place. I'd say Jackson's performance as Jules in this scene is pretty hammy, and not really deadpan at all.
Tony Todd in Final Destination 1 and 2 would fit, wouldn't he?
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Someone really needs to put a picture of Bludworth with the caption "See you soon."
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Huh, Scrubs is the trope namer? I just used the term when I made the article 'cause it sounded neat.
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EDIT: Basically what I'm saying is, I've never seen an episode of Scrubs in my life, so while they may have used the term, I didn't know about it. I'm not sure if that still means it's the Trope Namer, or a Trope Name Dropper or whatever. I won't change it because I'm not sure what the criteria is for a Trope Namer in the case of the creator of the article not knowing the phrase existed before.
Also, I demand credit for the Trope Name Dropper page if it doesn't already exist! ;)
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Cut Real Life Examples?
, started by DoktorvonEurotrash on Apr 24th 2011 at 10:36:31 AM
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