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Not a bit. I've seen bacon sandwiches that were more kosher than that.
Yeah, page titles need to be the work's canonical title, plus a disambig if necessary. Nothing else.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
If there are no objections, I'd like to move the content to the proper namespace and cut the old one. I know people don't like leaving inbound links, but considering Wastelander is not an official title by any stretch of the imagination, does it really deserve to stay as a redirect?
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox RIP KissAnime.
I put in a move request
in order to preserve the edit history
Oh nice! I was ready to do it the hard way.
RIP KissAnime.
Should we do something similar for Jak II: Renegade? Renegade is the localized title in Europe, but the original American title is just Jak II.
RIP KissAnime.
Renegade is at least a canonical title.
The question of what to do when the US and EU titles differ has come up recently, but I don't recall any consensus being formed.
Also maybe change Jak X to Jak X: Combat Racing, which is the original American title.
EDIT: Just saw the above post.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox RIP KissAnime.
I had no idea the Wastelander subtitle was fabricated by the fandom.
WCG: In my experience, I have observed that whichever English name is first-ever given to the work (regardless of the region where the work uses it) wins. I'm not sure if this has been applied to all works, however.
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^ The rule is "most recent", not "first". The exact opposite.
However, in dueling-translation cases where there is no "most recent", the American name is often both the first revealed and more well-known, so it tends to win out.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
I personally think it's weird to use the non-American name for an American-created work.
Conversely and related, we don't call the first Harry Potter book/movie by its American name.
Edited by Karxrida If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
I say move Jak II but keep Jak II: Renegade as a redirect. If we're moving Jak II and Jak 3 to remove the subtitles, I don't think Jak X should be moved to include it. Also, if Jak 3: Wastelander is cut, be sure to link to Jak 3 in the cut reason.
Edited by rjd1922 Keet cleanup
The difference is that with Jak X, the subtitle is actually part of the original American title.
RIP KissAnime.
Is there any policy concerning the use of fan names as redirects?
The page has now been moved. The last step is updating the wicks to point to the new page.
I'll take care of it when I have a chance. I would still like an official word on what to do with the title of the others, as, once again, Jak II and Jak X: Combat Racing are the original American titles, while Jak II: Renegade and Jak X are the localized European titles.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox RIP KissAnime.
^ I'd say that for the other Jak games, we either use both subtitles or neither subtitle. (This also means each region gets one title.)
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
I was asked to chime in here. I don't have any bias on this one. The applicable rules are that official names beat fan names, and redirects are for searching. If there are multiple official titles for the same game in different markets, pick one to use and redirect from the other. It really doesn't matter which.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Understood. Thank you!
Maybe we should just cast votes. Personally, I vote to change both titles to the original American ones.
RIP KissAnime.
I vote for either use both subtitles or neither subtitle, preferably both subtitles.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Anybody else want to vote?
RIP KissAnime.
^ I'll go with the "neither subtitle" option, but keep in mind that this discussion technically isn't a vote. It's not crownered or anything like that.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
For some reason, Jak 3 is labelled as Jak 3: Wastelander, even though that's purely a Fan Nickname and has never been an official title. The Trivia page even happily admits this fact. The most baffling part is the fact that Jak 3 isn't even a redirect. This can't be kosher, can it?