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Just call them "Wachowski sisters". They consider themselves both women and it's not hurting anyone to not misgender them.
I never heard of Andy identifying as female, but the point is that, they were the Wichowski brothers when this game came out, the game refers to them as such, and they introduce themselves as Andy and Larry when they interupt the game.
Best, most neutral way of putting it is probably just "the Wachowskis."
Call them 'the Wachowski siblings'. Typically when referring to a transgender person you use their new name and pronouns to refer to things they did in the past, i.e. Caitlyn Jenner won an Olympic medal. (Unless their preferences are different, of course.)
Caitlyn Jenner is a bad example, she's one of those who says to call her Bruce up to the sex change. She also did a few reality shows, where their biological sex at the time is used, due to us being unable to tell how much of it is real and how much scripted. "The Wichowski's" are probably the best thing to call them.
Edited by TheOneWhoTropes Keeper of The Celestial FlameMost of the other pages I've seen mentioning them call them "the Wachowski Siblings", so that seems to be the most logical wording to use.
We trope works, not people. Within the work, they are brothers.
However, we also have an obligation to avoid terms that could lead to edit wars, so "Wachowski siblings", non-proper-noun and non-gendered, is what I'd prefer.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.@~Chaotic Queen: Just to clarify, Lilly Wachowski came out in March via a local LGBTQ paper, after The Daily Mail tried to blackmail her into an exclusive.
The done thing is to refer to a transgender person by their preferred name/pronouns retroactively (since they were technically being misgendered at the time, there was just no way it could have been known), but gender neutral terms where they're available's probably the least drama inducing option.
Edited by Bisected8 TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerPersonally I don't think it makes sense, but yes, the normal thing to do is retroactively refer to him or her by their preferred gender and name.
My issue is that, in a vacuum, as far as the work itself is concerned, it can be horribly confusing if the work refers to someone by name and our writeup uses a completely different name. Many people aren't aware of the behind-the-scenes reasons for the change, so when I add examples I prefer to mention that the creator was known by their original name at the time.
In this case we have the nice and neutral Wachowski siblings, but we don't always have that luxury.
Edited by Larkmarn Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Alright, I edited it to say siblings. I honestly have my own opinion on subjects like this, but this isn't the place to discuss it.
^^In cases where there is no convenient neutral term, one solution might be to clarify the name the person used in that work, just as one would clarify which character an actor played or clarify if an actor was credited by something other than their current screen name. E.g., when referring to something the real person did associated with the work: "Jane Smith (appearing as Bob Smith)..." or "Jane Smith (credited as Bob Smith)..." It's a little more complicated if referring to something their "character" did in the work where the original gender is important, e.g., "The episode centered around Bob Smith (portrayed by Jane Smith, then credited as Bob Smith) worrying he'd gotten Susie Doe pregnant."—a little wordier, but still identifies the pkayers correctly without misgendering the real person.
Edited by NotOnAnyFlatbreadYeah, that is my preferred solution.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.That's a pretty good idea.
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I was browsing Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever, when I came to The Matrix: Path of Neo, and the entry says that "the Wichowski brother and sister" appear to break the fourth wall. Thing is, this is before Larry Wichowski had the sex change. Should I change the entry back to the Wichowski brothers?
Edited by ChaoticQueen