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The last sentence in the Designated Hero entry also commits two other no-nos in referring to another page, and is just the troper complaining about what they interpreted the page saying.
Edited by homogenizedCut Designated Hero as he was supposed to ultimately become a villain for such. But keep Unintentionally Unsympathetic as the widespread criticism of the work is the attempt to treat him as semi-sympathetic prior was so undercut his fall to villainy wasn't seen as the tragedy or change in characterization intended.
OP/Javertshark 13:
You can ask this on the Is this an example? thread, which is about determining if something in a work is a valid example of a trope.
He also had certain heroic tropes (Anti-Hero and Loveable Rogue) listed on the main page. I've gone ahead and cut those for the same reason.
The YMMV page for Red Zone Cuba has the following entries for Designated Hero and Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
The entries don't cite any evidence that Griffin was meant to be sympathetic, and having seen the uncut film, it doesn't come off that way at all. He comes off simply as a Villain Protagonist who's driven by greed and gets his comeuppance at the end. No one in the film expresses sympathy for his death, and aside from grim music briefly playing when he's shot down, there's no hint of it being meant to be tragic. Also, his line that he wants to "go legit" is followed by him saying, "I don't want any bulls chasing me," so in context it's clearly Pragmatic Villainy rather than him wanting to redeem himself.
It's worth noting that Coleman Francis's films in general are dark and gritty, and tend to focus on unsympathetic characters, so this may simply be his Signature Style, and Griffin being the Villain Protagonist may have been mistaken for the film portraying him as the hero. Can these be cut?
Edited by Javertshark13