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There's just a few things that I'm not sure about. The first of these would be the description of Huntail as being known to exhibit "sadistic" behavior. This might just be nitpicky on my part, but in a world where 'mons (supposedly) are only as good or bad as their trainers are, this seems kinda out of place. The other main thing that I wasn't sure about would be the bit about Clamperl being parasitic entities, seeing as you didn't really give an explanation of what their host organisms were (are they mutated Shellder or something?) * Never mind, it appears that you did., and that this biological characteristic would make captive reproduction extremely difficult, if not nigh-impossible in the confines of our beloved Day Care Centers. Also, Gorebyss also apparently consume kelp (at least according to FR/LG), which was conspicuously absent from your diet section. Other than that, it seems fairly solid, barring numerous grammatical errors and a few sparse sub-sections.
In other news, that TA article is coming, eventually. I'm just suffering from a bit of writer's block right now. Suggestions for blurbs / overall direction for the article are welcome.
edited 30th Dec '10 12:56:26 PM by CaptainNapalm
Wasn't TA doing some Villain with Good Publicity stuff in the manga? I recall that one of the two teams's leaders were owners of a TV station and passed propaganda against the other team, helping split the Gym Leaders, but I'm not sure which of them nor how.
Other than that maybe it is my dea but TA seemed far more centralized than TM back when I played Emerald.
Well, first off, Tropius being on good terms with the Chikorita Line was probably more along the lines of 'We're in the same Egg Group, you wanna make out?', since they're both in the Monster Egg Group and interbreeding between different Pokemon Species that are in the same egg group is nothing new.
Second off, I'm not willing to do Childrearing or Notable Biology, but I'd definitely be willing to help out with cobbling the thing together.
Clampearl/Huntail/Gorebyss: The social structure and habitat parts could REALLY use some expansion. For example, how do Gorebyss and Huntail enforce territorial boundaries, or what sort of waters would they live in? Clampearl typically live on the ocean floor in seaweed, so that's definitely something to add.
I like the parasitic aspect (Mainly because it reminds me of real life clam and fish eggs).
Also, how does a Gorebyss eat algae? Explanation there would be nice, since their mouthparts don't seem really well-adapted to that task. Hell, the Pokedex has quite a bit of info on Gorebyss feeding that's quite creepy and interesting, and I was surprised you didn't go a bit wild there.
Even little details, like when and why they shed their scales/teeth would be interesting.
Overall, my recommendation is: Expand, because we like seeing an alternate interpretation of the pokemon world. I still don't think I'm really done with my Jynx/Smoochum article, and that one was my first!
edited 30th Dec '10 5:07:21 PM by Scardoll
OK, what Tropius sections need attention?
"There" does not equal "their".
Algea is kind of soupy.
I know what a giant clam is, I'm wondering why it's in Pokemon.
Huh, I found another mention of our work, though technically this was written by one of us...
Any other suggestions as to how to approach TA before I start putting the (figurative) pen to the paper?
I can't say I know much about modern pirates, but cursory research may prove relevant.
On the Tropius side of things, the article sections are:
Notable Biology: Empty Habitat: Filled Diet: Filled Courting and Childrearing: Empty Social Structure: In Progress Trainer Tips: Empty Other: Empty
edited 30th Dec '10 9:41:01 PM by CalamityJane
The Nidophile is a Latino? Hmm.
I'll do the biology.
Honestly, I don't think Trainer's Tips should have a separate section. This is a biological encyclopedia, not a "How To" guide.
Well, that really all depends. I mean, being an informative guide on Pokemon isn't going to get ten year olds to want to read it unless it's also littered with a few tips of how to take care of them and/or how to make them like you if they are particularly nasty specimens. What really depends is if that should be made a notable part of the article, like if you're trying to train, oh, say, a Metagross but don't know anything about it, you're going to need this not only for the information on its habits and details while in the wild, but you're also going to need to know how to take care of it.
I'm just not too sure on what Tropius falls under; common pokemon to use so you don't need extra info or rare and difficult pokemon you're definitely going to need some expert help on raising?
The in-universe Pokédex project probably keeps a rather large database of raw data and analyses; I would imagine it gets cut in different ways for different audiences.
So a veterinary encyclopedia would focus on the biological nitty-gritty, while a trainer's guide would only touch on the bits that would come up in non-medical contexts- but focus more on behavior and motivation tricks.
So where would this fall, then? Veterinary guide or Veteran's guide?
somewhere in the middle, I'd think. We give a little bit of info on both the scientific and training sides, but nothing too heavy. You'd have to go to the respective guides for the in depth nitty gritty on biology or training, we just have the general info.
personally, I don't think making trainers tips into it's own section would go against the idea of what we have here. However, I also prefer the method we currently have of just inserting them when they come up.
edited 31st Dec '10 8:56:45 AM by Blissey1
I was under the impression that ordinary animals live in many parts of the Pokemon world but are outcompeted by Pokemon in the regions where Pokemon are abundant.
I'd prefer to keep it to the biological nitty-gritty, as that's part I find the most interesting. Also, I think it would look better if relevant trainer information was weaved seamlessly into other sections instead of giving it a whole section by itself or inserting (trainer's tip: blah blah blah)'s into paragraphs. But that's just me, you did say that the template was flexible.
On that note, I think we should get rid of the "Diet" section of the Legendary entry template. Most of these just end up being "none" or "none observed". Any diet data that exists can be put in the "Other" section instead.
Any chance you'd be interested in writing on notable Tropius biology?
Hey guys. Well, I promised you my article on Dialga before the New Year, and I've delivered! Feedback is welcome, as always; note that there are a few things I wanted to add to the article regarding the Adamant Orb, its relationship with Palkia and a few other things, but I haven't been able to articulate them; if I can, I'll add them later.
The creature’s chest is covered by an incredibly thick shield of adamantine, suggesting that the flesh beneath it is quite vulnerable and/or positioned over vital organs; a large blue crystal, similar in composition to uncut diamond, is embedded in the center of this shield and has been observed to pulse faintly with an inner radiance, leading some to believe that the gem functions as Dialga’s “heart”. Finally, the beast’s talons are also composed of adamantine, lending credence to the theory that this incredibly durable substance forms the basis for Dialga’s entire skeletal structure.
It is uncertain how many Dialga exist in the wild, but given the scarcity of its appearances, leading academic theory holds that the creature is unique. Whether it has a gender has yet to be determined, and as Dialga does not communicate via telepathy as certain other legendary Pokémon do and lacks visible external genitalia, it is quite possible that this question will never reach a satisfactory answer. That said, the various religious faiths and denominations of the Sinnoh consider Dialga to be the masculine counterpart to Palkia, the animus to its anima; as such, the creature shall heretofore be referred to by masculine pronouns in this article for simplicity’s sake.
Their labours thus complete, and the three sprites having wrought life whilst they wrought the world, Dialga and Palkia retreated to the summit of Mount Coronet, the highest peak in Sinnoh, and crafted the landscape for humans and Pokémon to live on in peace and harmony. In their gratitude, the inhabitants of the Sinnoh region would build a shrine dedicated to the two gods atop Mount Coronet, and in the ensuing years it would come to be known as Spear Pillar, the most holy site on the entire landmass, and regular offerings would be made to appease the Lord of Time and the Lady of Space.
In addition to being the god and personification of time, Dialga is also considered to be the god of fate and destiny; the Archwyrm ascribes a set lifespan and fate to all things the very instant they are born, covertly assisting those who adhere to His plans in achieving their destiny while hunting down those who would attempt to defy fate by cheating death or extending their own lifespans. Most accepted his judgement at first, but a group of evil men sought to defy Him by crafting a device by which they would take His power for themselves and place the reins of history in the hands of Man. This awful weapon, known as the Red Chain, was wrought from the essences of the three sprites, given willingly in the belief that the evil men intended to use it for good, and was so powerful as to rob Dialga of both His power and His control, along with those of His sister. With Dialga and Palkia thus bound, the evil men declared themselves gods of a new world and tried to recreate the universe in their own image.
The Chain was imperfect, however, and Dialga was able to break free of their control; as punishment for their transgressions, He erased these usurpers, their descendants and their ancestors from history’s weave and sundered the Red Chain that it might never be used again. Unfortunately, as the weapon had been wrought using the consent and the essences of the three sprites, something over which time had no power, He was unable to erase the knowledge of the Red Chain’s creation and existence; and so, to protect himself, Dialga withdrew from the physical world to the Realm of Time and placed a curse on Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf so that their essence could not be given of their own volition or without intense pain.
Recent evidence has proven that Dialga is all too real, however; approximately thirty years ago, a Shinto priest making a pilgrimage to Spear Pillar with his family happened upon the Lord of Time as it manifested near the shrine, and his daughter was able to take a photograph before the creature became aware of their presence and vanished through a sudden rift in time and space. While the picture was initially thought to be a hoax, a scientific team, taking the priest’s words at face value, set up a blind in the vicinity of Spear Pillar ten years later and deployed a number of automated camera drones in order to record Dialga should it appear. The Archwyrm did indeed manifest, and the drones snapped as many pictures and recorded as much footage as they could before it disappeared; one drone even managed to attach itself to one of Dialga’s spines before it fled and managed to transmit some footage of the creature’s home dimension for a few seconds before the team lost its signal. Unfortunately, the scientists were baffled by the signals they had received from their drone and could not interpret what they were seeing in any rational fashion; they concluded that either the drone’s cameras had been damaged during the transition to Dialga’s home plane, or the dimension which Dialga called home was utterly incomprehensible to the human mind.
Dialga and His sibling Palkia were recently witnessed during the climax of the Team Galactic incident, in which the cult’s megalomaniacal leader and founder Cyrus attempted to enslave the two Pokémon in order to harness their phenomenal cosmic powers and create a new universe in his own twisted image. His efforts were thwarted, thankfully, by the intervention of the Sinnoh Pokémon League Champion Cynthia and a young prodigy of a Pokémon Trainer, as well as the unexpected appearance of the strange entity known as Giratina; the chain was severed, Dialga and Palkia were successfully calmed from their fury at being used so, and it is believed that Cyrus was pulled into the Distortion World, from which he could not leave and where he presumably died.
Careful analysis of a small chunk of the adamantine which composes Dialga’s plates, talons and spines has revealed it to be one of the most durable materials in the world; it emerged unharmed or relatively unscathed from the most damaging attacks most Pokémon could throw at it. From this, one can conjecture that if one were to battle with Dialga, it would be incredibly difficult—if not impossible—to inflict any lasting injuries to the Archwyrm; thus far, only Ground and Fighting-type attacks have demonstrated any discernable effect on the adamantine, indicating that these would be the best Pokémon types to have on hand if forced into a confrontation with the creature.
Furthermore, Dialga has been observed to project an aura of regal might that makes it difficult for other Pokémon to even consider attacking it, a trait that it shares with its sister Palkia and a number of other legendaries. In addition, though it is not believed to be a Psychic type the creature has been observed to levitate and fly under its own power with no visible means of lift or propulsion.
During the climax of the Team Galactic Crisis, Dialga was observed to demonstrate a wide array of attacks utilizing both its deadly claws and the manipulation of various forms of energy; for example, it was able to wreath its talons in deadly gouts of green flame which would burn its victims even as it savagely raked them, smash Pokémon with its mighty tail, levitate rocks with which to bombard and pummel opponents using telekinetic force, cause plumes of geothermal energy to erupt beneath a foe’s feet, spew scalding gouts of noxious vapour that could paralyze a target from their awful stench, and project beams of focused light from its eyes or spit a crackling sphere of raw, vital energy from its mouth.
It’s most dangerous ability by far, however, is the devastating attack which more poetic members of the scientific community have dubbed the Roar of Time. During this attack, the Archwyrm opens its mouth and uses its temporal powers to collect a large quantity of tachyons from the surrounding environment, condensing them into a pulsing, roiling sphere of blue energy; as the sphere draws in more tachyons and grows in size, the sail on Dialga’s back will elongate and the diamond in its chest armour will glow a brilliant, blinding shade of blue. Once the creature has collected enough tachyons, it releases them in a devastating beam of energy that has been observed to vitrify any inorganic substance it makes contact with; furthermore, any timepieces within a five mile radius of the attack will give erroneous readings and may begin to flow backwards or short out, including items which should not be able to do so, like hourglasses. The scientific community believes these anomalies to be a result of the Roar of Time being so great an exertion of Dialga’s power that it distorts the very fabric of time; those struck by the blast may simply be grievously injured, or they may find themselves aged rapidly to the point of death, or actually regress to a younger stage in their life, such as infancy. As the Roar of Time has only been observed during this one encounter, it cannot be said what other effects exposure to such an attack may have in the short or long term. Thankfully, the energy expenditure of this attack is so great that Dialga must take several moments to recuperate before it can resume its assault.
edited 31st Dec '10 11:26:20 AM by SullenFrog
I'm surprised there was no reference to Primal Dialga. You plan doing Palkia or Giratina, Sullen frog?
edited 31st Dec '10 12:17:27 PM by Demongodofchaos2
"in order to harness their phenomenal cosmic powers" made me lol.
On another note, this seems to be a REALLY in-depth research into the thing. I can only hope my Kyogre article will be like this one, but we'll see...
On another note, while I will accept the use of gendered pronouns for Legendaries when reciting actual legends written by people who invoked whatever gender they wanted to into the Legendary for whatever reason, I am a teensy bit miffed at the Pink Girl, Blue Boy I see with its relationship to Palkia.
edited 31st Dec '10 12:47:48 PM by CalamityJane
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