During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Ultimate Moral Compass
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Grace.
Also, a Breaking Bad movie starring Jesse Pinkman has been announced for October. Haven’t caught up on the series yet (only on Season 2), but for those interested, go nuts.
"No running in the halls!"
Researching this, guys? I'm not sure we should take V-cinema as 100 percent canon as the shows. It seems to be places where the directors can just do whatever they want regarless of continuity or anything else.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So, from the Kamen wiki: "The more common term OVA (Original Video Animation) is applied when the film in question is anime."
So is it like how OVA's may have a CM while the manga doesn't (or vice versa), or a character being a CM in one but not the other (looking at you Thouzer)?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Yeah Tbh it's designed as Free for all that will often ignore the show so I don't think we should remove anyone because of it
These guys would still keep in the show itself.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Is it? Screw it, ignore them then.
Goku Black
Oh right no to Jenkins, Grace and Ratoshi
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Gentle Laborer
Thanks for your research, Lighty. I'm still kinda confused since V-Cinema spinoffs are acknowledged as canon in The 'Verse even if they ignore their origins and are rarely expanded upon, unless we consider the shows themselves to be separate timelines? Ugh, curse you Toei. Anyway, if that's the case, keep them both.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Aug 25th 2019 at 12:35:52 PM
Goku Black
Just keep discussionn to the show itself.
That's the main Canon anyway.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"The Juice is Loose."
In that case switching to keep both Kamen Rider guys.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
@TheMadCr0w: To be fair, this same shit happened with Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark, and is why Lockdown is a CM in the game, but he isn't in the movie. The game is said to be fully canon to Transformers: Age of Extinction, but absolutely nothing in the game makes it physically possible for this to be remotely true.
This kind of bullshit is infuriating though. It seems like certain directors seem to enjoy fucking up the continuity altogether, or just erasing it entirely and starting over. They're equally frustrating.
Edited by Tyk5919 on Aug 25th 2019 at 11:09:32 AM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Wasn't Movie!Lockdown cut for not being heinous enough?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Switching to keep on Masamune.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
@ACW: I can't remember. Even if he was? He's definitely heinous enough in the game.
Which takes place during the same timeline as the movie.
Which isn't physically possible. 
Goku Black
Guys could I ask for some help.
There's a book villain which I'm really not sure off upon rethinking it
I wrote her off but upon thinking about it. I'm not 100 percent certain that stuff would be disqualifying.
Would anyone mind giving me a second opinion
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Sure. Who is the character?
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Sure, I'll take a look later.
Edited by falcontalons on Aug 25th 2019 at 8:25:43 AM
Goku Black
Mother/Olivia from woman in the the walls by amy lukavics
I can send you a link of you want.
Be warned book is not the optimistic.....
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Okay, let's see... to Grace and Ratash. I'll abstain on Dan and Evolto, I can't make head or tail of the canonicity issue. As for Harold... yeah, I'll go with cut.
Ultimate Moral Compass
Alright, I’ll say keep for Kamen Rider baddies.
"No running in the halls!"
Lizzid people!
I'm fine with the KR baddies staying.
Kevin is an seemingly emotionless serial killer cannibal while Ratash is just another demon overlord. Hence wh I think Ratash is generic and Kevin isn't.
This KR stuff reminds me of Go-Onger, whose Big Bad keeps but is brought back for a Gokaiger film and is made much sillier, but it was ultimately ignored by the thread.
Edited by PolarPhantom on Aug 25th 2019 at 4:59:36 PM
You talked about Ratash having little to none personality, actually. Which is where Kevin and Ratash are similiar, as personality traits of both shown indirectly, mostly through other characters.
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Aug 25th 2019 at 7:02:28 PM
Gentle Laborer
Judging by the trailer of the new V-Cinema, it appears that this is going to be the case for Zi-O's Big Bad.
I did but before then I said I felt Ratash was too generic. Him having little personality does not help him.
Kevin is less "big dumb monster" and more "cold, unfeeling killer" I will also add.
Edited by PolarPhantom on Aug 25th 2019 at 5:15:42 PM
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Bump for new EP
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Aug 25th 2019 at 11:16:41 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Nay there and yeah, cut Jenkins with that in mind. This was badly exaggerated.
As for the V-cinema...I'm kind of inclined to give this a pass, as it seems dubiously canon at best