During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I will say when I got older as a kid I appreciated darker material in stuff aimed at kids. I loved TMNT as a kid, but when I was 12, I got ahold of the Mirage TMNT comics and they did surprise me with how violent they were (though their level of violence may seem quaint by today's standards), but they were interesting and told a deeper story than the 87 cartoon.
Heck if someone proposed a darker and edgier TMNT fanfic character, that would work better then a grimdark MLP character.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's been two weeks since Hellboy (2019) was released, right ?
Edited by Beast on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:48:02 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lizzid people!
Discussion should be tomorrow.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
@Age Aww understood.
Also ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Raden
Alright, I finished the last episode of Possessed and score.
If nobody minds, the film did technically come out two weeks ago. Anyone mind if I do Hellboy? Supernatural will follow (and if nobody minds, might I do Possessed early?) and I'll be seeing Avengers soon enough, so feel free to ask me as of tomorrow afternoon.
Edited by Lightysnake on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:07:17 AM
Can't speak to anyone else but I'm fine for it.
"The Juice is Loose."
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I'm cool with it.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'm fine with you doing Hellboy whenever; ditto Supernatural (even early); and ESPECIALLY ''Possessed" (I've read the first few episode recaps; I wanna know just how bad this guy is).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Isnt it a bit too early for supernatural?
Lizzid people!
Go ahead with Hellboy and the others.
Supernatural? Yes, but the character in question has been dead 3-4 weeks. If nothing changes as of the finale tonight, we're good.
Edited by Lightysnake on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:33:17 AM
I'll also be seeing Avengers: Endgame tonight. Already some shows are sold out in my town.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
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Remember everyone: Anything beyond "This movie was great. Discussion will be interesting. PM me for details." will result in a holler; I'm not seeing it until a week from Sunday.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I do not mind doing Hellboy early, I think that reboot franchise is dead in the water and I do not think there is a lot of excitement about the movie, I really do not care about spoilers for that.
Anyway, if anyone wants to cover a CYOA novel I will not be covering, like Hostage!, be my guest.
Big Guy, Anaconda and Raden.
I say go ahead with Hellboy. I’m looking forward to it.
Raden
Go for it, Lighty.
Ultimate Moral Compass
Raden
Give us Hell, Lighty
"No running in the halls!"
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I'm actually more excited for the Possessed effortpost.
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But for Supernatural dont we need to re-check Luci?
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Did he come back? If so is his arc in the season over?
Things are really about to get Fun around here
IDK I havent seen the last season.
Edited by Silverblade2 on Apr 25th 2019 at 11:18:17 AM
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Well the reason Lighty is bringing up this guy is that his Arc is already over.
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Sucks that I made two tries at trying to get Willem Dafoe a CM and they both failed. I know that’s OT, but just saying.