During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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So Treesea's entry is okay as is?
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Quick question, was Mrs. Carmody from the Mist ever discussed. If she was but was downvoted I won't mind, but CM or not, I will always believe that she was a VERY monsterous character.
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Darkseid
I dont recall Carmody being that heinious. Been a while since I've read the dtory or seen the film..
She's not. Carmody is pretty lightweight for a Stephen King story, even a novella.
Well, it looks like we're going with separate entries for Mistleteinn and Ijima. It's fine though, since that separate entry that Elfen made is pretty solid, and between the two entire, we have all the most important information on display. Honestly, this is why I was favoring for separate entries in the first place; I figured someone might have a problem with the length.
While I'm at it though, it's funny that you just asked about Mistleteinn's entry ACW, because I just recently noticed a couple of mistakes in her existing entry. In the last line, it says "Treesea imprisons Merry in to drown her in her own sorrow", accidentally leaving out what she's imprisoned in. It should say "a bud of despair" there... right Elfen? Also, on a more minor note, there's this part; "Joining forces with Ryota Ijima, the duo plan to ruin the dreams of others, Treesea happily implanting Dream Demons on innocent students, resulting in them becoming utterly emotionless and apathetic towards the future of their own lives". While that mostly works fine, it should add that she kills them later, since that's what causes the students to end up in that nearly lifeless state, not just the implanting part.
Other than that, since we're going with the separate entries approach, how do people feel about my previous suggestion regarding prefacing their entries with a line that goes something like "the anime version features this despicable duo"? Apart from being appropriate, it would remove the need to point out that they're anime-original characters in the entries themselves.
Edited by Devoted2Nintendo on Feb 16th 2019 at 6:32:05 AM
to Loki, Izrador and Darkseid.
to Darkseid
BTW we made the 6000 page mark! ![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
Ok, so she's not an COMPLETE monster, but I'm not gonna lie, I still found her to be a monster, especially when she tried to sacrifice David's 8 eight year old: Billy. Killing innocent children will ALWAYS be considered an Mortal Event Horizon to me.
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I'm fine, at least, with the header. I've added Treesea's entry to the Drafts if you wanna play with it.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
6000 pages! Yay! Let's party! May we go to 7000 and on.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 16th 2019 at 6:57:56 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
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BTW, The Untold Story image got rejected by the mods.
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Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
One day, we will get past 9000 pages. If I'm not here then. could Somone please make a "Its over 9000!" Joke for me.
@ACW why is that?
Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 16th 2019 at 3:39:59 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around here
That would be an PERFECT opprrotunity for that joke.
Edit: Well, Kylo, I think the mods consider the image a bit too..... Explicit.
Edited by Michealthehero21 on Feb 16th 2019 at 3:41:34 AM
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Yup. Nombre talked it over with the other mods; I guess it was too much.
Edited by Devoted2Nintendo on Feb 16th 2019 at 6:49:42 AM
Yes, happy 6000 everyone! I'm honored I could contribute to this latest milestone with my recent posts and all. In the meantime, since I'm still sans editing privileges, I thought I'd try proposing how the the Dream Eater Merry entries could look with my suggested edits and introductory line, and see what people think:
"Dream Eater Merry: The anime adaptation features this despicable duo:
- Mystleteinn/Mistleteinn/Mistilteinn Treesea is a vicious Dream Demon who tortures and eats others of her kind. Joining forces with Ryota Ijima, the duo plan to ruin the dreams of others, Treesea happily implanting Dream Demons on innocent students, then returning to slaughter them, resulting in them becoming utterly emotionless and apathetic towards the future of their own lives. Confronted by Merry in Isana's dream, Treesea taunts her and tries to kill her own Dream Demon she attached to Isana to harvest her. In her final confrontation with the heroes, Treesea imprisons Merry in a bud of despair to drown her in her own sorrow and mocks the Heroic Sacrifice performed by two heroes as "fruitless".
- The aforementioned Ryota Ijima is a charismatic teacher and guidance-counselor at Yumeji's Highschool. However, he reveals himself to be something sinister. In the last stretch of episodes, he was revealed to conspire with the evil Dream Demon, Mistleteinn Treesea, to ruin the dreams of his students by killing the dream demons, taking a sadistic relish from all of it. He then reveals his true nature towards one of his students by repeatedly kicking her head and during the final confrontation, he then spitefully beats Yumeji after the other two heroes failed to kill Mistleteinn."
So? Does everyone like it?
Edited by Devoted2Nintendo on Feb 16th 2019 at 7:26:15 AM
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Not Sauron and Doug.
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Happy 6000 pages everyone. Now to celebrate with this video because why not 
As for Mistleteinn and Ijimas writeup. Im cool with it and use this as a temporary one for now
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Darkseid.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Doug also know as Darkseid
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 16th 2019 at 7:10:39 AM
Watch me destroying my country
Insofar as I know, Carmody doesn't count in the novella because of the shared standard. The movie is a different deal; I vouch she passes heinousness there, but the time she was effortposted it was kind of brought up she might... not really be right in the head.
Does she? I mean, my memory is a little foggy of The Mist in totality, but...the only standout I recall is the attempted sacrifice.
Though she's *so* nuts, it becomes a bit hard for me to say she's not too crazy to count.
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Darkseid.
Why so serious?