During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Ah, Yodoshi. Now the question is it Part 1 or 2? Each ep has a different page.
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Professor Gigachad
I can't answer that unfortunetly.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
ACW, it’s been almost a week. It’s one film.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I know, I know. If I procrastinate and don't get it done tomorrow (say 24 hours from now, 7 PM EST), I'll give it up.
EDIT: Also, looks like it's part 2 for the image.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
Edited by ACW on May 13th 2021 at 7:07:07 AM
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It's from Part 2 btw.
Also, quotes to choose for caption:
1)"I am at your service, Lord Yodoshi."
"You most certainly are. An eternity of playing the whore to service my appetite for souls."
2)"You are about to join the 40,000 souls you condemned, Xena. And the first thing I'll do is take the head off your little friend with the tatoo."
Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 13th 2021 at 2:07:48 PM
Professor Gigachad
I like the second one the most.
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Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Those are both good by themselves, but does either really fit in the context of the scene?
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The Emperor of Evil!
As I said before, the second one fits better
What is even going on here? ACW get that done and great if we've accepted that no one from The Clone Wars needs to be cut, we still don't need to hear you don't think someone counts 6,000 times.
Yes to Ravok and Scraggle's collab and yes to Black Beetle. Let's keep going forward.
Whoops. Wrong thread. Nothing to see here folks...
Actually, there is: Anybody mind if I share thoughts on last week’s FanScription very soon (maybe tonight)? This’ll be whether there’s a candidate or not. Also, got an EP coming soon too for someone not related to FS (may be one of two depending on how things with FS play out).
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 13th 2021 at 4:37:12 AM
The Emperor of Evil!
I don't mind at all
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
future: I don't mind.
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Found this on the film page
- Cutting Class (1989): Brian Woods returns to his high school after being released from an asylum for the suspicious killing of his father. Reunited with his two old friends, Paula Carson and Dwight Ingalls, Brian takes an interest in Paula. He attempts to murder her father and leaves him for dead in the swamp to avoid suspicion; kills various teachers and students alike over their connection to Paula; and finally, tries to frame Dwight for one of the murders. Remorseless and psychotic, Brian stops at nothing to be with the one he loves and sees himself transcending time and space to become the best Serial Killer of all time.
I might be being pedantic, but “the one he loves” is worded in a way that sounds like a redeeming quality. Can anyone clarify if this is the case?
The Emperor of Evil!
Was this character approved by the thread by any chance? Because the last sentence really sounds redeeming to me.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Just found the original effortpost
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=7229#comment-180721
Edited by NattesNovgrel on May 13th 2021 at 7:52:59 AM
Okay, yeah...that wasn't in the EP...
We need an account, he love her or not?
Goku Black
I think it said he tried to rape her from the ep ?
This ep Is barebones though and structured weirdly.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Moron
There's a free version of the movie on YouTube - and yeah, it's not disqualifying.
He straight up tries to choke her to death for the crime of having a boyfriend. 1:13:00 here if you wanna check it for yourself. So she may not be a disqualifer... but in all honesty, I question his mental state here, cause he really doesn't seem to realize what's wrong with what he's doing.
Could be wrong though, so a second opinion would be nice.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Po and Black Beetle
Goku Black
Could we talk about this a bit more. Even the ep mentions the dude has schizophrenia and was institutionalised.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Moron
Yeah, the EP mentions that he might be schizophrenic and then... doesn't really dispute it?
~TBNY, do you mind discussing this in a bit more depth?
Aight, step off the gas for a sec - have you tried messaging them? They may genuinely not realize what they're doing wrong, and just jumping straight to ATT without talking to them first is not the way to go. Hell, I made that mistake at least once before I came to the thread - I plopped a pothole onto an entry about Carlito Keyes, who's nowhere near this.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 13th 2021 at 9:35:47 AM
Poe Dameron and Black Beetle.
On the other hand, some newbie troper called Riley is trying to force a Complete Monster pothole on Madeline... despite how this trope should not be added to any character pages in any circumstances (it's a YMMV trope that needs a discussion on the forums, and even then that one's a kid's cartoon, I doubt any villain in it would actually count...)
The offending user did it twice already, if a third time happens then it's off to ATT we go
Goku Black
Madeline really ?
That's like a kindergartin kids show.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Anyone got the ep the Xena image is from?
I also may try and crop the image.
And I still have Bi-Han 😅
Edited by ACW on May 13th 2021 at 6:55:22 AM
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