During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Professor Gigachad
It having been done before is why I don't like the precedent. We've got the MCU page for stuff in canon together, I can't get behind having a second "Marvel stuff that's not in the MCU" page and I don't think the amount of space it would alleviate on the film page proper justifies it. Same goes for DC.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
This one's at least understandable (the image is just called "Carnage"). If we can get it back I'll save it as "Carnage_Marvel_Literature" or something.
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:34:59 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Alright guys
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Professor Gigachad
I guess its like with DreamWorks It could be done but we don't have enough to really need It badly.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
The Moron
I see the correct Carnage image on my computer - screenshotted and uploading now
"The Juice is Loose."
43: I am against it as well. I am just saying at least there is site consistency for listing the animation stuff, and not the films.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:36:52 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
The Moron
Alright, got the Carnage image back:
Does a sandbox currently exist for it to go into?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:39:20 PM
The wifi here sucks
Sherlock Holmes has changed I'm looking through the rest.
Goku Black
From one Dracula to another ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Edited by miraculous on Apr 22nd 2021 at 11:40:36 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Dracula should probably be redone as Dracula_Holmes_CM or something.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Carnage looks fine now.
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:42:49 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Moron
I'm seeing all of these correctly - I can screenshot and fix the Sherlock one as well
I think I've fixed the Carnage entry, but someone should probably check it just to be safe
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:41:44 PM
"The Juice is Loose."
How does this keep happening?
Seriously though is there a way to trim some of the X-Men film entries? Some of them are a little to long for one film villains in my opinion. Mainly the Logan ones.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:48:12 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Zaboera, Wu and, of course, the Boss Baby image
for Zaboera and Wu.
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
for Anastasia.
The Moron
And on the plus side, because any image I add is actually a screenshot, it makes a unique URL and lowers the risk of another URL overtaking it
Fixed the Sherlock image as well, and my phone (which shows the image everyone else sees) shows it correctly
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 2:46:45 PM
Professor Gigachad
I checked every single CM page and luckily only those three have the issue. Though who knows how many more pages, in general, have this.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
The Moron
I've requested that the Literature and Sherlock pages be swapped in - Ordeaux already requested the Animation swap
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Drac looks fine.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The wifi here sucks
Backing Ordeaux in saying that no other pages have this issue.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
What in Jesus Tapdancing Fuck just happened? And how and why did I miss it?
Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 22nd 2021 at 11:56:42 AM
"The Juice is Loose."
I just want to know how this happened.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I clicked the link to the page and saw the image. Hehehehe.
Is it possible it was done through the Sandbox and no one realized it?
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Apr 22nd 2021 at 12:00:08 PM
Fuck again.
Could we do a check off all the monster pages to see how many are like that?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."