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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
You're not in any position to be making demands of us, I'm afraid. And Pokémon Special is a Kodomomuke series, meaning it's aimed at children.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Why were my editing privileges removed? I am just trying to help this site.
Lost in Space
You seem to have an issue with our use of the terms "creepy" and "disturbing" to describe certain things that has led you to go on some sort of neutrality censorship crusade.
edited 1st Jun '12 9:07:47 AM by FastEddie
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I'm guessing its because of the page-wrecking falling out between me and Sourjacks. I apologize, it carried over from a large and immature argument I was giving him on Fanfiction.Net about why he deleted them in the first place. From a different perspective, it does look quite like an edit war.
Unless, of course, it's something else.
You made personal attacks on the author of the fanfic in question, causing both of you to act in the most immature way possible and mess up the page. Our articles are not a battleground and that edit was inappropriate. The fact that it's a page on a fanfic doesn't mean our editing rules are any looser.
The fact that you admit the incident carried over from an argument you had on another site is even worse. That is drama importation, and avoiding it is one of our de facto rules, else you risk a full ban from the site.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Sure I was angry, but what would you have me do? I wasn't angry at him or making an attack when I said that the links were broken because he took down the fics.
Should I have just removed the links and posted a similar effect in the edit reason?
("EDIT: The author decided to erase half of his stuff after the realization that it is godawful when read back to him personally. He is currently rewriting some of it, which can be viewed here." )
Is the "personal attack" when I used rude speech in order to make the same effect with calling it "godawful"? That was mean-spirited, sure, but it wasn't an attack. I was bitter because I really enjoyed the complete story, and was the person who made the page in honor of it in the first place. He never really fully explained why he did not keep them up, though I'm definitely leaning towards the "Old Shame" edit being the primary reason.
And because I was miffed that he believed I was incapable of giving any real criticism because I only just talk about the positives in fics. Bust mostly the former, which started the whole argument.
Calling something godawful on the very same page dedicated to troping it the way you did looks like an attack. This wiki isn't interested in whether you're angry or disappointed over the author's decision, and the page isn't the place to vent about it. If the link is dead, all you have to do is remove it and state the fanfic isn't available anymore.
Carrying over arguments from other sites is absolutely not permitted, especially when they result in vandalisms like that. Arguments with authors on Fanfiction.net stay there and don't enter into our wiki pages.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Was not venting. Then I'd be attacking him for real, and it'd immediately cross the line into ranting in the wrong place. I vented when I did yell at him on FF.
So, how do we "settle" this, as the creepy text under the logo says while I type this.
You don't seem to be getting that your irks with the work or its author are of no interest to the wiki. And you seem to be saying that you got mad about something, and that is a reason enough for the rest of us to just chill.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
...I was made well aware of that, Mister. I was clearly told by the moderator that the argument was to be kept out the wiki and that was a primary reason for my edit ban.
"Our articles are not a battleground and that edit was inappropriate."
"The fact that you admit the incident carried over from an argument you had on another site is even worse. That is drama importation, and avoiding it is one of our de facto rules, else you risk a full ban from the site."
"This wiki isn't interested in whether you're angry or disappointed over the author's decision, and the page isn't the place to vent about it."
"Carrying over arguments from other sites is absolutely not permitted, especially when they result in vandalisms like that. Arguments with authors on Fanfiction.net stay there and don't enter into our wiki pages."
Three times, four if you stretch it. I understood it the first time she mentioned it, and consequent times. Did I listen as well? Of course I did. It seems like a good idea, a good rule, though strict in punishment, and it was a wrong and bad thing to break. I deserved the ban, as a troper the rules told me it would happen, although the fallout of the edit in question could have been worse.
I'm just not sure what to do or say next, Fast Eddie.
edited 2nd Jun '12 1:25:33 PM by Patcheresu
I'll give you another chance, but be aware that we rarely give third chances. Fanfiction is a tricky medium, but that doesn't mean we can get personal with the authors and their decisions. Don't repeat such behaviour.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
I think the edit ban message is bugged. Isn't it supposed to redirect here? It doesn't do that. It just goes to a blank page that says "Sorry, editing has been turned off for you." I thought it was supposed to go to the landing page that had the friendly explanation and link to this thread.
The correct message shows up when trying to access Lost And Found, Ask The Tropers, You Know That Show, or any discussion page...although in those cases, it prevents viewing the page, not just editing, which may not be the intent.
Oh, right, also, is there a problem? I thought we already talked this out.
edited 2nd Jun '12 5:30:48 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Cutmaster-san
Editing was turned off for you since you keep removing Alas, Poor Villain from YMMV pages. You have cited the crowner in this thread for evidence, but:
- The crowner description was "Should these items become members of YMMV?" (emphasis mine), which lu pointed out to you. Hence, it was not the right crowner for removing tropes from YMMV (though as you pointed out, it was at least a viable topic for the thread).
- Though the crowner hit 2:1 in favor of your position, it hasn't stabilized there and has since dropped below that ratio.
Now, I and a few other moderators believe that with some repair, Alas, Poor Villain could be turned into an objective trope, and support that endeavor. Nevertheless, the description is the first thing that should be changed, not the indexing and the wicks.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.I think there's been a misunderstanding then... I didn't persist in removals. Lu didn't chime in until yesterday evening. I haven't touched the page since then; my edit was the day before that. Haven't touched any YMMV pages since then either, except for RuneScape, which was only after coming to an agreement in discussion that it was an in-universe usage regardless.
Let it not be said that I don't respect the mod hat.
edited 2nd Jun '12 6:00:34 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Cutmaster-san
Alright, next time make sure that when you want to put a YMMV entry as being used in-universe that you mention as much in your edit reasons and properly use the [invoked] tag. Suspension lifted.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Scallywag
I've made many mistakes lately with my handling of getting post banned, but I'm here to address my original edit ban from my original Akagikiba account. I was edit banned because I abused the use of the cutlist when everyone was told to leave it alone.
I realize what I did was wrong. I should have inquired further on whether it was okay or not to use the cutlist again. I should have also looked into what works seriously deserved to be cut.
If there's any other facets of my edit ban the moderation would like to discuss, I'm willing to listen. I just want my edit ban lifted.
It looks like you understand now. Do not use the cutlist for works you think may be against policy. A work can only go there after the P5 have deemed it unsuitable for the wiki. Provided that you abide by this, your suspension is lifted.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Gentleman Troper!
Okay, so I've been edit banned as of today, and I'm curious why this is. I am not aware of having broken any wiki rules.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!It appears you jumped the gun on renaming a trope before the crowner was called—I suspect it's Phony Phony Psychic. You moved the page on the 30th, whereas the crowner was called on the 31st.
Gentleman Troper!
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Hm, that's odd. On my system, Willbyr's post where he says the crowner is called is timestamped 30th May '12 4:00:37, whereas the history entry of me moving the page is timestamped 30th May '12 4:05:44 PM, or five minutes later. I am unable to find a timestamp of the exact moment the crowner was closed.
Hi
, Okay, that's weird...I checked the TRS thread and the timestamp on my post is showing to be a few seconds shy of two hours past the time that Spark lists, which is the same time that I edited that post. No idea what's going on.
edited 3rd Jun '12 5:11:05 PM by Willbyr
Sour Jack: You have no right to blank pages, even if they are your own works. That is vandalism. Whether the work is accessible anymore is irrelevant.
edited 3rd Jun '12 9:28:35 PM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Ravenous Sophovore
@Spark: It appears it was a misunderstanding. Willbyr called the crowner, but it was still open when I checked it and saw the page was moved, and I didn't see his post. Restoring edit privileges.
edited 4th Jun '12 9:21:08 AM by ccoa
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Can someone here put Pokemon Special back on What Do You Mean It Not For Kids and fix all of my mistake?