Obvious solution: move it to Mona Lisa.
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Is Mona Lisa Smile an actual term used in painting?
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No.
("Mona Lisa smile" is used to mean "an enigmatic smile", but I bet a million spacebucks that most uses of that phrase do not predate the 2003 movie, and at any rate it is not a term d'art.)
edited 31st Oct '10 2:54:14 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
The you owe someone a million space bucks because I've seen the term in works from the eighties. It just means an enigmatic smile. The phrase was part of the reasoning behind the title of the 1988 book Mona Lisa Overdrive by William Gibson.
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Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
It was a pre-existing term before the movie.
It's a trope page about the smile, how mona lisa got the smile, gags on the smile etc. there's other stuff but the other stuff isn't really tropeable. The Mona Lisa Smile approaches a trope. One work wants to name themselves after another, bully for them.
Yeah, "Mona Lisa smile" is still not a term of art, but that is less important than whether it is a term at all, and apparently it is. (Mona Lisa Overdrive is one of my favorite books, even; I am an idiot.) The trope isn't named after the work, the trope and the work are both named after the phrase.
But the trope does "share name with a work". And it's only barely trope-ish. Dunno.
edited 31st Oct '10 4:26:13 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
If there is a trope named Mona Lisa Smile it should be about people giving enigmatic smiles. Not just references to the Mona Lisa.
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^ Absolutely. If it's just about the Mona Lisa. Call it The Mona Lisa.
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No, because The Mona Lisa fits the format of a character type. Or possibly the painting itself.
edited 31st Oct '10 8:00:12 PM by Deboss
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Goes with Pietà Plagiarism (Using the pose of The Pieta), Sistine Steal (Using the Creation of Adam bit of the Sistine Chapel), and Abbey Road Crossing (The cover of Abbey Road),
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It's about shout outs to the actual Mona Lisa, not just shout outs by similar-looking pictures.
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Then, Mona Lisa Shout Out. It's not a snowclone, but it's similar enough to the other tropes for "artworks that are parodied, copied or referred to a lot" that it's is clearly in the same family.
edited 1st Nov '10 9:01:24 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Trope OP here, chiming in with: it's supposed to be about both (pastiches of the painting in general, or references to the smile), because the Mona Lisa is about both.
I believe it was mentioned that Mona Lisa Smile is the name of a work during YKTTW, but nobody else could think of a better trope title—it's not like we can't namespace the actual work under whatever medium it falls under, right?
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That's two completely different things, though, really. They should be two different tropes.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
All Mona Lisa Smiles reference the Mona Lisa, and almost all Shout Outs to the Mona Lisa are related to her smile, so I just lumped them together.
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A work it has nothing to do with. Not to mention that it's about the painting in general, not just the smile.