Final Fantasy general

I like the angle about how she feels intangibly alienated from the rest of the party by virtue of not having grown up with them. That they all have a certain energy together and she doesn't feel like she can keep up with it.

It really makes you feel sorry for her. And it makes their attempts to make her feel like she's one of them even sweeter.

Edited by GNinja on Oct 18th 2019 at 11:23:53 AM

It also doesn't help that Rinoa the most powerful member in your party despite not being a trained soldier.

Rinoa's pretty callow but she is in her own words used to fighting, whether its because she's a Military Brat or the head of La Résistance or both.

Ain't gameplay/story segregation, she's a Sorceress

With the presence of Squall in Kingdom hearts I was surprised by the absence of Rinoa,you'd think she'd be natural choice instead..Yuffie

They teased her at the end of KH 2 with Squall holding a letter with a more sylized version of her symbol on it. But with KH 3 they went with absolutely no Final Fantasy characters at all, anywhere, which ruined that.

Nomura just isn't really interested in the FF characters compared to his own silly anime story in KH. He said they mostly existed in the beginning to flesh out the cast, but now that KH has such an expansive cast of its own they're not really necessary anymore. However upon feedback from staff and the fans he's reconsidering.

It's almost like people like the fan service in his extremely fan service heavy game

He kinda crafted story arcs for the majority of the Final Fantasy characters as well but abandoned them.

There's only two "story arcs" I can think of for FF characters off the top of my head, one being Cloud and Sephiroth (which you could argue concluded in 2, even if ambiguously) and Squall getting what is supposedly Rinoa's letter at the ending of 2, and that doesn't really count as a story arc so much as a fun thing that could potentially lead to something later if they wanted to follow up on it, but they didn't.

I don't agree at all with Nomura's decision to axe the FF characters for 3, but I've heard this idea before that there were hanging plot threads with the FF characters and it's not really the case.

To be fair, there are roughly 1 billion OC characters now with more being added all the time, so I can sympathize with wanting to hold off on cast bloat (even if just a little).

On the other hand, most of the Final Fantasy characters are just glorified cameos anyway. Cloud could be removed from KH 1 and 2 and replaced with another Hercules character and very little of the plot would change. That'd be a little harder with 2 since both Sephiroth and Tifa have some very minor plot contributions that tie into wanting to find him, but otherwise he's just kind of there.

And given how easy it was to dump all of them in 3 they were clearly never that plot critical to begin with. Just being there, saying a few lines, interacting with Disney characters, and providing a few boss fights was more than enough to make fans happy.

IMHO, Auron’s bit in KH 2 was the best FF based material in the KH series. It actually feels in character and even uses lines from the actual FF X.

Edited by M84 on Oct 20th 2019 at 3:17:28 AM

Curiously, Matt Mc Kenzie has done no voice acting since his role in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix.

Edited by MarkIV on Oct 19th 2019 at 12:00:01 PM

So here's a thought:

We know that Final Fantasy VII Remake is only the first part, focusing on the midgar section of the game.

But I'm wondering how they'll handle the progression of Limit Breaks: will you get all your potential limits in this first game? Will you only get the limits you'd have had at that point in the original game and learn the others in the later parts, with the expanded battle system being used to sort of fill that gap?

Also, maybe there will be a feature where if you have a save file from the first game, the next one lets you start with your stats and equipment, to truly give the feel that you are continuing the story.

Hell, will the other parts even be sold by disk? They could easily go with them being fully downloadable games (though I suppose that would cause a space issue) to speed things up. I'm also wondering how quickly the other parts will come out.

I'm sure that each part of the Remake has an Old Save Bonus from each preceding part.

I'm Betting Midgar from Part 1, everything after Midgar to the Northern crater for part 2, and the rest of the game for Part 3, fitting the 3 disc format of the original game.

That's a lot of put in for part 2.

That's Nibbelheim, Cosmo Canyon, potentially Wutai, Cid's intro, The Gold Saucer, the Temple of the Ancients, Aerith's death, and then the seeming reveal of Cloud's past.

Seems to me a better finale for part 2 would be Aerith's death.

It's the big ending of Disc 1 isn't it?

Ugh. Given how spread out the Remake is going to be, I'm almost glad that the PC port will be delayed.

They don't really compress console ports so I'm dreading how much memory it will need

Eastern devs are usually pretty good about compression. Square are just the exception.

Look at FF 15's PC port.

And beat Final Fantasy 8. The first FF game I ever played and the one I thought I was cursed to never finish. I actually really liked that. Although, I do have a quibble. A bone to pick of sorts.

Ultimecia reminds me of Sephiroth in some regards. In that the thing future games remember them for is different from how they're portrayed during the original game.

Sephiroth always has his master swordsman status focused on. When in FF 7 he's really more of a spectre. He's a magical/mental type threat. He spends most of the game acting through proxies in the form of JENOVA, and even when you have him in your party he mostly uses magic. But he is a swordsman in his backstory, so it kinda makes sense.

Ultimecia though, she's remembered as a time mage. A sorceress with power over time who can manipulate it to her will. She actually isn't that at all. Time is one of the few things she has no power over.

She goes back in time using a machine Odine built. The Junction Machine Elone. And even that can only send her so far back. She needs to use the real Elone after that, who has REAL time powers, to achieve time compression. The Macguffins of the game are all focused around giving Ultimecia time powers. She doesn't naturally have them.

Edited by GNinja on Oct 20th 2019 at 9:16:14 AM

She can cast the time compression spell, which I imagine is why she's called a time mage.

Also she's alot more in the game then people think but still complain she shows up at the last minute

Mostly because of the bad translation job and the out of nowhere Funetik Aksent made her seem like a different person.

Edited by Memers on Oct 20th 2019 at 6:03:47 AM

The thing is NO ONE can come up with an actual explanation for the accent

My personal theory is the Translation team does not want to admit they were high at the time or they submitted the Joke variation as a mistake

Ulty talks in a theatrical Flowery way in the Japanese which does translate when she is in control of Edea and Rinoa. Edea has a very similar formal tone but it most noticeable when she does it through Rinoa though most people miss it due to the fact Rinoa when possessed by Ulty is either a Zombie or a Vegetable 95% time.

and then people were mad they didn't keep the Accent once she got a voice actor