Oppenheimer

Truman also famously didn't go through higher education, and was mostly chosen as FDR's running mate as a result of conservative Democrats' opposition to Henry A. Wallace. That's why FDR never bothered to fill him in on the Manhattan Project — he only learned about it after FDR's death and mostly just nodded along while the USAAF generals and scientists went about their work.

He never "ordered" the bombings as such (they had a new weapon, so of course they were going to use it against the Axis Powers, just like so many other weapons developed in the war) and probably wasn't even fully aware of the nature of the targets until after the Nagasaki bombing, which was when he ordered a halt to the atomic bombings without express presidential approval. Truman basically fell into a seat he was completely unready for and was horrified by the amount of blood he had on his hands simply by holding the job — and that kind of shaped his attitude for the rest of his presidency, including his "the buck stops here" slogan and his insistence on taking more retroactive credit/responsibility for the bombings than perhaps is warranted.

From the YMMV page.

• And You Thought It Would Fail: A three-hour, R-rated biopic that's mostly about men in rooms having tense conversations? Carrying a budget of $100 million, small for Nolan but positively massive for a drama? Released in the middle of summer, a week after Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One and the same week as Barbie? Even with Christopher Nolan and major stars like Robert Downey Jr., Matt Damon, Florence Pugh, and Emily Blunt, it seemed like the best the movie could hope for was crawling to break even. Instead, it exploded on opening weekend, and is currently set to become Christopher Nolan's biggest non-Batman opening weekend at the box office ever (beating out action movies like Inception and Interstellar) and the fifth biggest R-rated movie opening of all time.

I don't remember seeing anyone online predicting this to flip or do badly. Though I could be wrong. Am I misremembering?

Edited by Bullman on Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:04:13 AM

There was some fear it would be a crash due to the Covid fall of theaters and the fact it's a biopic.

That was before Barbieheimer was good publicity.

Yeah, I would just straight up cut that. There was little to no doomsaying about this movie.

Ironic, considering the subject matter is the most doomsaying shit of all time.

One on Adrian Carton would prob make for one of the most interesting ones.

So I should cut it?

Yes, absolutely.

Also congrats Nolan.

Per box office analyst Luis Fernando Oppenheimer also blew up industry’s projections at US #BoxOffice after BOMBASTIC 80M on its 3-day opening weekend. Biggest for a original film in #ChristopherNolan’s career, beating #Inception’s 62.8M! BIGGEST for any R-rated film Post-Covid, beating #JohnWick4’s 73.8M..

Ngl that is impressive for a quiet three hour historical biopic.

Also I think best director and best lead actors oscars for Nolan and Cillian are looking very likely.

Congrats to everyone who worked on this movie.

That's good. I am really happy that this doing so good.

Okay I removed the And You Thought It Would Fail entry.

Just got back from seeing it, I enjoyed it.

I realized it's been so long since I actually watched a biopic all the way through, let alone in theatre, plus my relative lack of prior knowledge of "Oppenheimer: The actual human being" that I'm not really sure how to analyze it. But I can say I'm glad I watched it, so that will have to do.

Look forward to seeing both movies soon. Heard about Hiroshima not being a part of the movie and that's admittedly disappointing. That's a whole film on its own though, so not a total loss actually.

> I realized it's been so long since I actually watched a biopic all the way through, let alone in theatre

Same,last one I saw was the the aviator and that was years ago

Yeah, it may be justified in the artistic sense.

Oppenheimer is absolutely correct about his feelings but it's abstract for everyone else.

Oppenheimer had this to say upon reflection in 1965:

"they hoped, that other people hoped, that it would put an end to this war, saved countless lives, put an end to it. A butchery that had been going on for many years and had been marked by atrocities, concentration camps, murderous raids on cities: Notre Dame, and Dresden, and Tokyo itself. And that on the whole, we were inclined to think that if it was needed to put an end to the war and had a chance of so doing. We thought that was the right thing to do."

Quite the interesting perspective he had in regards to what he and others thought was the right thing to do.

Saw the movie yesterday in imax. Very loud. Very dark. I basically wound up doing the double feature with Barbie after to lighten myself up.

Reuters: 'Oppenheimer' sparks online outrage in India due to Hindu scripture scene.

He is become little death,

Isn't this film censored in India though from what I've heard ?

I also question like... how big is the outrage?

The equivalent in the US would be some conservative complaining a movie bastardizes Christianity or Christians in some way which is... You can probably find a conservative complaining about that for any movie these days.

I always get a bit nervous seeing "X is outraging y country" because it presents something as hegemonic and I'm so far removed from the situation and my info is so filtered through not even third or fourth hand but probably 20th hand sources at this point... would I meaningfully know the difference if this is a single or even small group of people actually offended or a genuine cultural fuck up?

Honestly no clue. This is the only country where Oppenheimer beat Barbie at the box office. So it does seem to have gotten mostly positive attention their.

(India loves Nolan ghat much)

Asking the real question, right here, especially in the age of so much manufactured outrage and controversy.

Welp, since Oppenheimer is released very late in my country, about two weeks later, during that time I might actually able to finish reading the American Prometheus, the book upon which the movie is based on (or so I heard).

Asking the real question, right here, especially in the age of so much manufactured outrage and controversy.

Welp, since Oppenheimer is released very late in my country, about two weeks later, during that time I might actually able to finish reading the American Prometheus, the book upon which the movie is based on (or so I heard).

I don't see Oppenheimer getting hate from the Right Wing like Barbie is. That could mean the difference. We'll see if say the Sound of Freedom crowd boosts the movie or not per say.

I don't think they really matter box office wise. It's already being predicted to hit 1 billion.

Oppenheimer is looking at 600-700 million. Incredible for a r rated 3 hour historical biopic with no action. Cillian and Nolan are totally getting best actor and director after this.