To-do list:
- The trope has been renamed to Boyfriend-Blocking Dad, so move any examples of fathers strongly opposing boys who want to date their daughters to the new name, and move misuse to a more fitting trope if one applies (such as the ones listed on Overprotective Dad, which is now a disambiguation page), and remove any examples that don't have a more fitting trope to move them to.
The wick check shows that, while the majority of examples are correct, about 24% of them refer to a general (over)protectiveness towards their children (e.g. not allowing them to leave the house, keeping close surveillance on them, ensuring that they don't participate in any "dangerous" activities, etc.) and makes no mention of the children's love life. Another 22% are ZCE, and 17% are unclear.
Conclusion: 1/4 misuse is not insignificant, but how we go about fixing this would depend on several questions:
- Is the "general overprotectiveness" trope keepable on its own right, or is it already covered by other tropes such as Meddling Parents, My Beloved Smother, Papa Wolf, Mama Bear, etc.? ** If it's redundant to the other tropes, we just need to move the incorrect examples to the more appropriate trope.
- If not redundant, and the "general overprotectiveness" becomes a trope on its own, what should be done with the current definition (fathers who are hostile towards daughters' love interests)? They could either be split or kept as one page.
- If kept as one page, the description should be modified to include the broader definition.
- If split, which definition gets to keep the old name?
- If not redundant, and the "general overprotectiveness" becomes a trope on its own, what should be done with the current definition (fathers who are hostile towards daughters' love interests)? They could either be split or kept as one page.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 17th 2022 at 2:08:27 PM
Maverick Hunter.
Okay, just so I can understand and be able to vote without doubts. Do the following interactions have a trope examples can fall under? If so, what are they?:
A.-) Mother tries to stop a guy from dating her daughter.
B.-) Mother tries to stop a girl from dating her son.
C.-) Father tries to stop a girl from dating his son.
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A might fall under Overprotective Dad (if we decide continue to allow gender flipped examples). If not, that can be folded int Love-Obstructing Parents I think. if it's not covered by My Beloved Smother. B and C are covered by Love-Obstructing Parents.
Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 14th 2022 at 12:43:50 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added an additional sentence to the crowner's description to account for the fact that I got the crowner's title wrong and that it can't be changed due to technical limitations (the field for entering the title appears even for crowners that have already been made, but it only actually works for new crowners and not existing ones, so adding an addendum to the description is the closest we can get to resolving misnamed crowners).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 14th 2022 at 11:57:18 AM
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Maverick Hunter.
Okay, thanks. Well, I voted.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of Boyfriend-Blocking Dad.
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Should we remove the distinction between Papa Wolf now, or a least change it?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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Go ahead and make any changes if any are necessary.
Just stoic wisdom.
I'll add this to the TRS cleaning page tonight if no one does it before me. Unsure if there are any other new judgements worth adding to the cleanup, but since this one has as many wicks as it does, I think it's a good idea to post it.
Edit: Oops, it was already added decision day-of.
Edited by Yindee on Nov 18th 2022 at 4:26:29 AM
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Twerp Sweating seems to have a large amount of overlap with that.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
What? If by "that" you mean this trope, it's too late to make any more changes in this thread; that discussion ended around a month ago. This thread is still open because cleanup has to be done.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 11th 2022 at 1:04:01 PM
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I do think the point is a good one and suggest doing a separate wick check of Twerp Sweating and adding it to the TRS Queue for a merge if you do find redundancy
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If the proposal is to merge Twerp Sweating with Boyfriend-Blocking Dad, then yeah, that would need a wick check and its own thread. I might have misunderstood last time.
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Giving this thread a nudge as we still have more than 2.6k to go.
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Bump. Pared it down to 2222 wicks.
Got it under 2000 wicks.
1599 wicks
Finally below 1000, hopefully that gets more people cleaning this.
596 wicks left.
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Down 440
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Just stoic wisdom.
While doing wick cleanup, I removed the camel case in the Trope Epitaphs page, and got disputed by another troper who added the wick there. Was that the right move? Should disambiguation pages be allowed on epitaphs? Or should they be left as regular text like other renamed tropes?
Edited by Adept on Jul 14th 2023 at 7:11:16 PM
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Linking disambiguations in Trope Epitaph are not necessary. Go ahead and remove.
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Cleanup is over. Only wicks left are a sandbox, some newsletters, and the ambiguity index.
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Crown Description:
Consensus was to rename Overprotective Dad due to misuse to refer to fathers being overprotective in general, as opposed to fathers strictly forbidding boys from dating their daughters. What should the trope's new name be? (Addendum: The crowner title mistakenly says "Obstructive Dad" instead of Overprotective Dad. Due to technical limitations, correcting it without starting over is not possible.)
Also as written, Overprotective Dad does acknowledge gender flipped examples in the description but says that they usually overlap with My Beloved Smother. So I think examples that fit the retooled trope but aren't smothering mothers in other areas of the kids life still have a place.
EDIT: The crowner called Overprotective Dad Obstructive Dad in the description so I fixed that. I can't fix the crowner's title but I don't feel like remaking the crowner for accuracy's sake.
Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 14th 2022 at 12:19:15 PM
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