Cleanup Thread: MCU Character Pages

I don't think we should add Ralph Bohner's folder to Pietro's page since he's not truly him, but I guess we can just add a redirect.

Yeah okay. Anyways, my two sandboxes are there for evaluation. Feel free to edit the necessary changes and make an official character-specific page for them if the majority approves of them.

Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 25th 2022 at 2:08:39 AM

I don't really know the character of Elektra very well since I didn't watch Daredevil or The Defenders, but after taking a quick glance at her page, there are a few examples that bug me:

• Ax-Crazy: Elektra tolerates killing more than Matt does.

The Ax-Crazy trope isn't just about a character who tolerates killing, it's about a character who is violently insane (or insanely violent, whichever you prefer). Does this truly apply to Elektra? If it does, then I think the description should be modified to better reflect that.

• Demoted to Extra: As a result of Stick taking his place as Elektra's paternal figure, Hugo Natchios is given far less prominence here. In the comics, she was very close to him and his death deeply affected her. In the MCU, he was merely her adoptive father and his death doesn't affect her as much as it did in the comics.

If it's Hugo Natchios and not Elektra herself who has been Demoted to Extra, then I think this example should be on his folder (if he has one) rather than hers (or maybe, with a few tweaks, this can be made into an example of Adaptation Relationship Overhaul).

• Moe Greene Special: While fighting off Hand assassins in "The Dark at the End of the Tunnel", she kills one of them by stabbing them in the eye with her new sais.

Again, if it's not Elektra herself who was stabbed in the eyes, then I'm not sure this example belong on her character page.

There may be other examples of the same type, I don't have time to read the entire page. However, I noticed a similar case on Pietro's folder:

• Destination Defenestration: He charges at Hawkeye and pushes him through a glass window after he manages to incapacitate Wanda with an electric arrow before picking Wanda up and running away.

If it was Hawkeye and not Pietro himself who was the victim of Destination Defenestration, then shouldn't this example be added to the former's page instead of the latter's?

Removed those tropes from Elektra’s sandbox. It still exceeds 40k bytes. I also removed that trope from Pietro's and added a few more tropes to slightly exceed the 40k byte without copying and pasting from the edit page source and just copying from the page itself.

agree. Ralph Bohner (hehe) is not Pietro - he's Fietro (Fake Pietro). Agatha said it herself.

Edited by MasterSon on Sep 25th 2022 at 7:20:17 AM

I’m fully certain we should make a page for Elektra but I’m pretty reluctant with Pietro. All I need is a greenlight and I’ll transfer the sandbox to an official page and make certain other edits like adding her character page to the character page for Daredevil and The Defenders. Pietro, on the other hand, might need more of a discussion.

Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 25th 2022 at 11:38:45 PM

If he has enough bytes, I see no reason not to make a page for Pietro. Especially since it's quite possible that he'll get some Variants in the future seasons of What if?... or something.

I kind of wonder if Arnim Zola has enough bytes for his own page. He does have two variants, one of which has a lot of info on it since he shapes the last two episodes.

My thing is if we give Pietro his own page that would leave MCU: Avengers an index.

Agreed with Bull, there’s no pressing need to split him off from an already incredibly empty page.

Honestly, as much as I usually don't like pages like that? I'd rather MCU: Avengers be an index than be an index and just have Pietro shoved in there. It's so awkward having him there by himself at this point that I'd rather just give him his own page.

Yeah plus having an index page is nothing new, HYDRA and SHIELD have them. Plus I’m willing to find more tropes and add them to the index page to add more bytes.

Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 27th 2022 at 12:56:50 AM

Is there a reason the namespaces are the character's real name now rather than their hero alias?

That got changed about a week ago because of the increasing number of Legacy Characters making it hard to keep track - like how Sam Wilson is now Falcon and Captain America, Hank Pym and Scott Lang were both Ant-Man, ditto Janet and Hope for the Wasp, etc. There are a few exceptions for collective identities like Moon Knight and Mysterio but this keeps it a bit easier.

Yeah plus thousands of Black Widows around the world, two current Hawkeyes, six Winter Soldiers in Civil War, and two Daredevils in one season and so many other examples. Yeah it was for the best because there were too many people using the same alias whether at the same time or after someone else.

Btw, should I make Elektra’s page now?

Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 27th 2022 at 2:27:00 AM

Go ahead, it exceeds 40,000 characters.

In my opinion, if it's fine for you to do so.

Finally found this thread. So that's the explanation behind the name changes? I was wondering all week. Good to know.

I think it's stupid. If it was just the Legacy Characters or characters that have shared aliases like Hawkeye, that would make sense. But why are even wholly singular characters like Doctor Strange and the villains being included in this?

Edited by snowfire on Sep 27th 2022 at 9:53:05 AM

From what I can tell, it's more-or-less to apply some consistency across the naming convention.

I'm thinking of removing Married Peggy Carter and reverting her tropes back to the main Peggy because I don't see the need for it. I think we should only make a separate folder/page for a character's past self if they appear or are going to appear in more than one MCU production like 2012 Loki or 2014 Gamora. This Peggy, on the other hand, is a very minor character and could also possibly be the same Peggy from the main universe given how that was the screenwriters' intention while the directors believe otherwise. I mean, most of the other characters don't have their past selves in a separate folder because that would just make it complicated and because those past selves will never appear past one MCU production.

I've been against that folder's existence since it was created, so feel free to fold it in to the main section.

Alright, thank you!

Hey guys, I need a little help with my MCU Other Superheroes Allies Sandbox. Since I haven't watched most of the MCU's TV shows (with the exception of Agents of SHIELD, Iron Fist, Inhumans and Loki), could someone please let me know if Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways, Moon Knight or Ms. Marvel have any notable allies that would be worth adding?

With She-Hulk, we're seeing a lot more unaffiliated superpowered people that don't do any heroing or villaining. Should we move them to the Citizens pages? I'm talking about Mr. Immortal and Blonksy's support group primarily.

We’ll eventually have to make a Thunderbolts page next year because the way I see it all of the members fit better there except probably Bucky.