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~The Mayor of Simpleton gave other's permission to launch this thread as long as the OP is credited.

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A continuation of this Trope Talk thread. Wick check apparently not needed per at least one mod.

Sempai/Kōhai recently came up in the linked Trope Talk thread as possibly being spelled unusually. Traditionally, "senpai" is the spelling that is used for the term, but we spell it as "sempai". There was some disagreement about whether or not we need to change the spelling, but "senpai" was generally agreed upon to be the way it is usually spelled.

The question is: should we change it to "senpai"? I personally say yes. What does everyone else think?


I am good with the proposal.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2022 at 7:53:35 AM

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#26: May 28th 2022 at 8:16:05 PM

[headdesk] totally misread what the crowner was asking. Sorry.

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#27: May 31st 2022 at 12:51:49 AM

Calling in favor of renaming. Since we already know we're changing the spelling of "sempai" to "senpai", the only thing to settle is whether to go with "kōhai" or "kouhai".

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#28: May 31st 2022 at 8:28:37 PM

Less typing is better IMHO. Also putting a custom title on a redirect is a PITA with the current system.

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#29: May 31st 2022 at 11:52:03 PM

PITA?

ETA: nevermind I got it :)

Edited by amathieu13 on May 31st 2022 at 2:52:23 PM

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#31: Jun 3rd 2022 at 1:57:32 AM

Calling in favor of Senpai/Kōhai. I'll move the page.

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#32: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:07:48 AM

Page moved and indexed. Here are the wicks:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2022 at 4:08:04 AM

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#33: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:54:46 AM

Added a to-do list to the opening post and pinned it.

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#34: Jun 3rd 2022 at 10:46:23 AM

There were talks earlier in this thread about not needing to do wicks because of the whole redirect / alternate spelling thing. I'm just checking to see if the wick cleaning actually is necessary.

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#35: Jun 3rd 2022 at 10:52:51 AM

I recall the policy the redirects only can used for search purposes or to fit in examples if wording is more appropriate, but dunno where that's from.

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#36: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:00:36 AM

Redirects are created for search results now and aren't meant to be used example lists (except gendered redirects when appropriate). It's something mods have been saying for a while but I don't think Administrivia.Creating New Redirects mentions search results but maybe I missed it the last time I read it. But that's for Outdated Pages I guess.

Since all of the spelling variants are valid, I don't think it's super necessary to wick clean the redirects (or at least keep the TRS thread open for that)

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:02:13 PM

Macron's notes
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#37: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:01:50 AM

But then we also have gendered redirects and commonwealth redirects, and those are allowed to be used. I'm not seeing what would make this that much different from a commonwealth redirect, since the spellings used are all still legitimate alternatives people use.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:02:06 PM

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#38: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:26:54 AM

I forgot about the discussion about not doing wick cleanup, but I'll go ahead and add this to Wick Cleaning Projects and close the thread.

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#39: Jun 3rd 2022 at 11:29:46 AM

All right, that's taken care of, so locking up.

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Trope Repair Shop: SempaiKohai
31st May '22 12:52:20 AM

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Consensus was to rename Sempai Kohai. Which Romanization should be used?

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