Now that's a page topper.
Yeah, Tuckerscreator hit the nail on the head. Jen's admittedly been susceptible to Depending on the Artist as a result, even under the Jason Aaron-era She-Hulk redesign (some
artists basically drew normal
◊ She-Hulk sizes, but consistent Hulk Speak).
Aaron actually wrote about his controversial decision roughly around the end of his tenure:
It’s simple really. I just wanted a Hulk who looked like a Hulk.
When I was first putting together my Avengers roster, I asked for She-Hulk. I’d written the Bruce Banner Hulk before, and I wasn’t really interested in going back to him. But I was intrigued by Jen. And I already knew that the ever-awesome Ed Mc Guinness was coming on board as the main series artist.
Ed draws great fucking Hulks. Giant muscle-bulging monstrosities with absolutely impossible physiology. Arms the size of tree trunks. Fists that are bigger than their own heads. That’s what a Hulk is to me. That’s what I wanted to see Ed draw. Meanwhile She-Hulk has most often been portrayed as a real-life shapely woman who’s simply been spray-painted green. And look, I love a good, gorgeous, John-Byrne-drawn She-Hulk swimsuit shot as much as the next nerd. But I was much more interested in Jen having Hulk fists the size of her Hulk head for a change. And in her solo series that was still going on when I started writing AVENGERS, Jen was already in a much darker and angrier place. So it all came together to create a version of She-Hulk who was more Hulked out than ever.
Since then, I do think we have sometimes struggled for consistency, in terms of her appearance, across the different artists and different series. I think we didn’t always bring to life the true She-Hulkiness I was hoping for. But with this arc, I feel like things really clicked, and in particular, I think Javier totally nailed it.
That being said, if Abomination's design can evolve, who's to say they can't borrow that Dan Slott plot line for future appearances? That would also work well for Jen's character development of being more confident.
Edited by XMenMutant22 on May 21st 2022 at 5:37:34 AM
The Head of the Hydra
Oh yeah Aaron’s interpretation was very controversial cause he straight up made Jen a Hulk clone where her normally intelligent personality was removed so she only talked in Hulk speak and was a rage monster while Hulked up.
And wrote a very bizarre take that critics issue of Avengers where he had Jen like talk to the audience about how great it it to be a rage monster because people aren’t……… always groping her anymore.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I have to say, hearing him spell it out like that, that “I wanted to make X character, but I didn’t *really* want to make X character, so I took Y character and turned them into X character! Who cares if it took away what people like about Y?” mentality sounds really fucking awful - and exactly the kind of thing you don’t want writers doing in a universe-based model.
Edited by KnownUnknown on May 19th 2022 at 4:26:01 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
The Head of the Hydra
It doesn’t help that when people understandably had a problem with his portrayal of her he then deflected all the critiques by basically calling them all sexist.
Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2022 at 4:33:09 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Godzilla
Just watched the trailer, I like the more upbeat tone, but it seems that they’re catering to those Shulky fans.
Also, I’m getting Single Female Lawyer for my birthday, neat.
SKREEEEEEEONK!
She-Hulk has always been a sex positive character with being one of the earliest female comic book characters allowed to have plenty of casual relationships with no shame about them.
It was a big change at the time.
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One rumor i heard was that he did want Banner, but Banner wasn't available because of Immortal Hulk.
Not sure how true that is though.
Edited by Cortez on May 19th 2022 at 10:11:18 AM
"They truly were a Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
This just feels like the "Gal Gadot is too small to be Wonder Woman" thing again. A buff She-Hulk would be great but we've seen from this show thus far isn't inconsistent with the comics.
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I've heard that a lot before yeah.
It makes a lot of a sense. He wanted a Hulk for his all-star Avengers team, but he couldn't get normal Hulk so he just settled on using Jen and having her fill in as Hulk.
Everything else is just dressing over the actual reason for his decision.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Were that many people complaining about Gal Gadot's figure?
Yeah. It was ridiculous.
I think the difference here is that there's CGI being used to make Tatiana Maslany look Hulkified, and it uh...does not look good based off the trailer. Even beyond her not being super buff, she just looks off.
I can understand the criticism of the CGI. It's the tired debate over how buff she should look I don't care for.
×5
Right. Ewing was pretty protective with what he was doing and Hulk made few appearances in books outside of Immortal Hulk during it's run. So whatever the truth, it probably wasn't an option for Aaron to have Banner/Hulk on his team.
"They truly were a Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
The Man Outside Reality
And wrote a very bizarre take that critics issue of Avengers where he had Jen like talk to the audience about how great it it to be a rage monster because people aren't... always groping her anymore.
Which later falls flat on its face when she literally gets naked to enter a hot tub, and gives zero shits about objectified by Iron Man and Thor as she does so.
Yeah, I'd rather take bad CGI in a TV show over hypocritical faux-feminism in a comic.
Trust no one.
With Frog-Man in the mix, I wonder if we’ll get a nod to that classic super memetic Take That Us parody from Original Sin.
“Hahaha just kidding I’m Frog-man.”
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
It better be. That's Frog-Man's finest hour.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Humans inferior. Ultron superior.
No joke, Frog-Man is legit one of my favourite characters. Eugene Patilio is just a really good kid, and he's the best example of a "common Joe superhero".
We all think we would be like Peter Parker if we ever became superheroes, but in truth, we would be more like Frog-Man.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
The Man Outside Reality
What exactly is the history of Frog-Man? Right now, all I think about when I hear the name is Crazy Frog meets Bullfrag from Ben 10.
Trust no one.
The Head of the Hydra
I'm fairly amused to remember the current Iron Man has Frog-Man has a remember of a ragtag superhero team Tony had to assemble to stop Korvac from going to space and becoming a God
He appeared with the tagline "Doesn't have his own toy" right before his official toy in real life. 
Edited by slimcoder on May 20th 2022 at 12:45:08 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Humans inferior. Ultron superior.
Frog-Man is the teenage son of Daredevil villain the Leap-Frog, who uses his father's old gears to try and become a superhero.
This is a good writeup of the character. I find him very endearing.
Edited by Nightwire on May 20th 2022 at 12:53:35 PM
Bite my shiny metal ass.
Mighty No. 51345
Wow. I'm suddenly really invested in Frog Man.
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King of Anime
Not sure how true that is though.
The rule on the Love and Thunder set is that anyone who objects to buff Jane and Valkyrie has to personally fight Natalie and Tessa in combat.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 19th 2022 at 3:24:33 AM