Needs Help: Bald Of Awesome

Recreated and cut The Lord Inquisitor so the ghost wick should be gone now

It is. Thanks again!

amathieu, I saw your comment in the TRS thread for Vendor Trash about needing help cleaning up wicks.

Just so I know, we are changing wicks that match the correct use to the new name, moving ones that fit other tropes to those respective tropes, and deleting the ones that don't qualify for anything?

I'm asking because, depending on my schedule, I might be able to help a little bit.

Any example that matches the new definition, feel free to fix her up and add her to the draft, either directly or as a comment (you can also post unchanged and I'll reword it myself later).

Any example that doesn't fit the new definition but can fit into one of the other Hair Tropes, switch to that. And any ZCE just delete.

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 6th 2022 at 10:55:42 AM

Shouldn't Bald Of Awesome be made into a disambig (between Bald Of Awesome and Bald Black Leader Guy) or something and then dewicked after Bald of Authority launches? Because things usually aren't done like this in TRS. I also don't see why we have to wait for the dewicking to be done before Bald of Authority launches. It's supposed to be the other way around. I think dewicking will be easier once Bald of Authority launches.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 16th 2022 at 3:23:46 PM

I mostly didn't want to lose the ability to find the links to Bald Of Awesome. I was under the impression that the page was just going to get its contents replaced and its name changed since what we voted for was not a disambig, but a rename and redefine.

But it seems like you're suggesting Bald of Authority launches as a separate page, while Bald Of Awesome becomes a disambig until all of the wicks get dealt with. But then what would happen to Bald Of Awesome's page? Would it remain a disambig page (probs of Bald Black Leader Guy, Bald Head of Toughness, and Bald of Authority)?

I don't particularly mind that except for the fact that once this is over, I plan on TRS-ing Bald Black Leader Guy to combine it with Bald of Authority once that launches, so the disambig page would be of only two tropes. Is that ok / acceptable?

Also whether or not Bald of Authority is launched won't really change the ease of de-wicking. I actually see it having a slight negative impact. At least with it in the TLP I can keep track of what has been moved from Bald Of Awesome and avoid double posting.

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 16th 2022 at 11:01:50 AM

There are a lot of disambigs with two tropes so it's fine if Bald of Authority and Baldhead Of Toughness are the only ones left if we decide to get rid of Bald Black Leader Guy.

Well, when I said that making a disambiguation would help with dewicking I meant that it would help replacing the non-ZCE examples. I know that as long as Bald Of Awesome exists as a blue link it will always run the risk of being used. I just think it's better to have the page be a disambiguation than have the page be in limbo like this. We don't know how long wick cleaning will take. I'd help if I didn't have other projects to do.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 16th 2022 at 10:59:28 AM

But if Bald Of Awesome is a disambig and not a cut, it will still be a blue link, right? So it won't fix the issue of other people linking to it regardless.

In any case, I can turn Bald Of Awesome into a disambig page right now, since I already cleared out all on page examples.

ETA: Disambig'd. Will send the subpages to the cutlist.

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 16th 2022 at 10:57:58 AM

No, I meant that while it might not seem like moving it to disambig would be make of a difference since the trope is still blue linked at the end of the day, that it's better to have it be a proper disambiguation than what it was in its former state.

If it weren't for the inbounds, we could have just cut it but alas.

I do have a question about that. Would it be possible to just change the link to Bald Of Awesome into Bald of Authority and copy the TLP draft into it, rather than launching the draft as a separate page in order to maintain the inbounds?

I get that we can just keep the disambig, but considering that Bald Head of Toughness will already be linked in the Bald of Authority description and Bald Black Leader Guy will likely be merged into it post TRS, it feels redundant to keep the disambig and the new trope page. That way Bald Of Awesome will actually be red-linked.

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 16th 2022 at 11:07:30 AM

Not sure what you mean by changing the link? The only to get Bald of Authority to be a red link is to cut it.

I don't think the disambig would be redundant just Bald of Authority and Baldhead Of Toughness crosswick each other. There's plenty of people who are familiar with Bald Of Awesome but not the new bald tropes we have. A disambig would show people who remember Bald Of Awesome existing as a trope where to go.

In theory but not in practice. The Ambiguity Index Wick Cleaning exists because most people who remember a disambig'd trope are likely to link it without double checking the blue link to see if it's a disambig blue link or a normal blue link. Many disambig pages have accrued 100s of wicks because of that.

Until the day there's a way to better signify a disambig page from other pages, I think it makes more sense to rename and replace if possible so that Bald Of Awesome would become a red-link.

If Bald of Authority didn't include the two tropes that would be on the disambig page, I would just let the disambig page also exist. But since it does, I think it'd actually be better to remove and replace, if possible.

But I guess that depends on how page creation works, e.g. if someone creates a page and accidentally flubs a preposition like writing "Baldof Awesome" vs "Bald Of Awesome", is the only way to "fix" that by deleting the old page?

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 16th 2022 at 11:31:10 AM

For capitalization fixes, the original page has to be cut so that it can be recreated under the fixed title (mods use the page mover tool to preserve the page history by moving the original contents into a sandbox). We don't do this for renames.

I know it's frustrating but it's best for Bald Of Awesome to stay as a disambig as we can't cut it and lose the inbounds. Disambiguating is at least better than making a redirect for Bald of Authority.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 16th 2022 at 2:29:42 PM

If it's not possible to change the name without cutting the original page and losing the inbounds, then I get it, nothing much can be done about the disambig page.

It's been about a month and a half since the last post, so how's the draft for Bald of Authority going?

Edit: Oh, I saw that the draft says it's not going to launch until dewicking is done. I should have checked the draft before asking.

Well, I checked and the Characters/ namespace has over 1000 wicks after doing a Ctrl+F in Firefox, and the trope has 1164 wicks. I'd imagine most of them will end up getting cut, considering why the trope was brought to TRS.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 29th 2022 at 1:16:58 PM

re: cutting, yes and no. I'd say it's 50/50. The issue was that there was ambiguity regarding what "awesome" meant leading to degradation of the examples covering a wide array of vaguely related things on top of the ZCE. The new draft (where I'm moving good examples), the tropes made from the Bald Women disambig, and the other bald tropes under Hair Tropes cover the tropeable aspects from the examples really well, which is part of what's making this take so long.

That makes sense. I admit that my lack of experience with TLP probably had a lot to do with why I didn't think things through with my previous post.

Under 1000 wicks now

just under 550 wicks now.

as an aside, if there isn't a long term project to clean up wrestling character pages, there very well might need to be because they are a mess of ZCE

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 23rd 2022 at 1:44:46 PM

Down to 250. I'm going to push myself to finish the remaining wicks today and have posted a 4/30 launch date for Bald of Authority. Once that's launched, we can officially close this thread

Dewicking is done!

Nice! Locking.

Edit: Oh, wait we are supposed to wait for the TLP to launch. Moving this back

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 29th 2022 at 8:45:56 AM

Trope has launched. I'll begin crosswicking, but this thread can be locked now

Locking as resolved.