Yeah, I agree. Almost every time it's just a link to said wiki, which violates the Weblinks Are Not Examples policy.
If it were up to me, I'd bar examples from being listed on work pages, but allow them on The Wiki Rule page itself. Kinda like the opposite of No On-Page Examples.
I'd just cut it, but your idea is probably better.
I think the issue here is that the trope is really only "there is a wiki for this". So a link to that wiki would in most cases be considered adequate context. Weblinks Are Not Examples is more about tropes where a link alone is not context.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sound more fitting for a Just for Fun page.
Or a definition-only page. The concept itself is interesting.
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Yeah I'm not gonna lie, it feels like it's just a cheap way to promote the fact that a work has a wiki. Hell, I'm guilty of this myself.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jul 6th 2023 at 9:38:11 PM
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The Wiki Rule is currently on the TRS Queue for the record.
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On-page examples also haven't been allowed for a while
, and I swear something else might've been done with the trivia item before... but it could be the aforementioned lack of on page examples I was thinking of.
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we had pretty detailed pages on the various Rules Of The Internet for a long time and i think the wiki rule was qualified as one of those but it's kind of slipped through the cracks of the cleanup projects. i feel like we could rework it into a trope where creators use fan wiki as reference, which is a specific recurring brand of Ascended Fanon i've noticed that could be its own thing, but the actual main wiki rule trope should probably be JFF, yeah.
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Yeah, it's a bit weird. That being said, I've always taken some issue with how the OP in the TRS Queue describes the examples as being ZCE. They're not, because the only meaning to the concept is that the wiki exists. There's nothing else to even say or do 'cept link to the fan wiki.
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Counter-argument: if every example, by default, is a ZCE, is this a trope we really need?
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Yes, that was my first wick check. I wasn't sure what to call them so I called them ZCE. I'll see what I can do.
Edited by SoyValdo7 on Jul 6th 2023 at 4:06:34 AM
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My point is that by default they're not ZCE because the necessary context has been provided. It's like the title tropes issue again. I'm not saying we need this trope — I really couldn't care less about cutting it — but the wording in the OP always rubbed me the wrong way since it gave off the wrong impression about how the concept was defined.
Hey, understandable, it's a very weird one to try and classify.
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I think what I’m trying to say is, if just stating the wiki’s existence is enough context, that in and of itself is an argument that this isn’t really worth having—your Title Tropes comparison is indeed accurate. Might not have worded it the best though—apologies.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jul 6th 2023 at 6:11:57 AM
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Well, to be fair, it's not a trope - it's trivia, which I feel doesn't require the same innate meaning. (Though to be honest the strongest argument I have for keeping it is more that it's a very convenient way to find wikis for a work, which I can see being considered off-mission).
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Off-mission might be closer to what I'm trying to argue, yes.
I'm going to stop arguing as I am not putting my point in the right words.
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Worth noting that the discussion that removed the on-page examples also saw a lot of support for making it definition-only.
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Part of me thinks it could work if the entries gave more details and context about the history of these wikis and what they're like beyond them just existing. But that opens up problems of editorializing, complaining, internet drama importation etc.
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It's coming to TRS really soon, so I think we can link this thread in the OP.
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I already included it in the suggestions section for the proposed change to the trope mentioned here. If that's a problem, I can move to first paragraph.
Edited by SoyValdo7 on Jul 25th 2023 at 12:26:23 PM
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I mean, this has to be one of the most pointless trivia tropes on the site. It's basically the same thing everywhere. Just a link to some fan wiki. Like, what is the point?