Duplicate Trope (new crowner 26 December 2020): Standard Status Effects

In the abstract, perhaps. But practically speaking, what is the point of Status Effect if it is effectively a disambiguation between two (pretty short) indexes?

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Mu. Is a condition that doubles the damage you deal and the damage that you take a negative or a positive? Is a condition that grants extra attacks while also reducing your attack damage a negative or a positive?

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I had to invoke the abstract because the page, as it is now, is useless.

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Yes, that's why I'm suggesting an Index Of Status Effects, and not splitting the positive and negative effects between two separate indexes (and having a third page to disambiguate between the two).

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Should we call the crowner? Though, I'm not sure what to do exactly. Turn Status Ailment into an index, and Standard Status Effects into a redirect? Though, it looks like discussion has been favoring Status Effect as the new destination instead.

I'm all for removing Standard because it's unclear on what standard.

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So based on the crowner result, this is what we need to do:

• Merge Status Ailment and Standard Status Effects
• Retool the merged page into an index
• Cut the current SSE subtropes and move examples to appropriate pages. Merge the Plague/Bleeding/Poison subpage in particular to Damage Over Time.

I'm not exactly sure what we've agreed to do with Status Effect. I believe there was a proposution to turn Status Effect into a disambig for Status Ailment and Status Buff, but that option wasn't in the crowner.

Edited by Adept on Dec 20th 2020 at 9:56:09 PM

I agree, it makes sense to use the shorter title Status Effects for the index. We could but "standard" in front of most our index names and that's a pretty meaningless addition.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

The confusion is because the crowner says to merge it into Status Ailment, but the discussion says to use Status Effect instead.

Status Ailment is redundant to SSE, so they still need to be merged, regardless of whether or not we do the same to Status Effect.

Crowner record:

• 4. Turn Standard Status Effects into a Super-Trope or Index of the tropes listed in post #30 23.00 : 1
• 1. Merge Standard Status Effect and Status Ailment 21.00 : 1
• 2. Cut Poison Plague Bleeding, Burn and Paralyzed Stun. Move examples to the more appropriate tropes. 5.00 : 1
• 5. Merge StandardStatusEffects.Poison Plague Bleeding into Damage Over Time 4.00 : 1

All others in the red

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So, if all those are implemented that means there's Status Effect, Status Buff, and (Standard Status Effects / Status Ailment)...

A.k.a we dunno what we wanna do with Status Effect and Status Buff. Make a new crowner to ask that??

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That's exactly what I've been trying to say. The crowner says to merge Standard Status Effects into Status Ailment, but that'd still leave us with the redundant Status Effect page, so it'd be better to just merge it directly into Status Effect instead.

Maybe another crowner would be better.

We are good to merge SSE and SA, right?

Should we do that concurrently as deciding on the others? Or there's too much possibility of Merge Them All to be worth it?

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People probably don't want to have to work twice if we decide to merge SE as well.

Also I don't think we've really agreed on which should be the "main" title to use.

Ok, we should probably crowner whether we want one index of all status effects (under Status Effects), or three indexes (Status Buff for good status effects, Status Ailment for bad ones, and something else for effects that are a mix of good and bad; with Status Effects as a disambig between the three).

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Crowner made

So, now we work to move all the Standard Status Effects examples into the specific effects like Damage Over Time?

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And I realized another issue... it looks like we're moving Standard Status Effects to Status Effect, not Status Ailment. In that case, what DO we do with Status Ailment (and Status Buff)? Turn them into redirects?

I'm assuming that's the case.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Status Ailment doesn't have examples anyway, so moving it would be easier.

Yes.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Do we need a third crowner or can we change all that now, and start handling the SSE entries and stuff?

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We can change it now. The first crowner said to merge SSE and SA, this crowner says to merge SSE and SE, and considering the alternative options of this crowner, there's no way to argue that the final result is suggesting more than one article for this purpose.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Dec 28th 2020 at 10:51:30 AM

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