TLP Community Issues

A user found that tropers sometimes troll-bomb a draft that has reached the minimum 5 hats.

I've had drafts get troll-bombed before reaching 5 hats, personally. I only know they're "troll bombs" because sometimes I'll log into the TLP and see that multiple drafts of mine have all mysteriously gained a bomb with no explanation, hinting at malicious behavior than anything.

There's something so conflicting about getting hats on a new draft. Is it bad if it actually annoys me? When I post a new draft the things I'm looking for are examples and feedback, not hats, especially not on a draft I'm not 100% sold on. It flatters me that people think the draft looks that good right away, but it's also another reason I want that "no votes" period.

Agreed. Like, I'm flattered, guys, but I didn't make this with the intent to make it launchable ASAP. I wanted to hear if there's any ways to improve it. One of my drafts has been in the TLP for over two months with enough hats to launche, and didn't get a note that it was a possible duplicate of another trope until yesterday.

Yeah, hats so early in the process speak of a misunderstanding what hats are actually here for. "Hat" means "ready for launch" not merely "good idea", at least in theory.

I just added something to the TLP and I'm unable to save additional edits for it. (Just wanted to clean up some wording/a typo). I hit edit, make the change, hit save...and nothing. I've refreshed, navigated away and back...still not working. Any ideas?

Edited by BeerBaron on Dec 16th 2020 at 10:32:47 AM

I can see the laconic is empty. A draft needs a laconic to be editable due to a glitch, try putting something in that field.

Edited by Piterpicher on Dec 16th 2020 at 4:39:52 PM

That worked, thank you! Been a very long time since I used TLP.

Renaming that section to something like "Brief Summary" would be a good idea. Or even marking it as required.

Edited by BeerBaron on Dec 16th 2020 at 10:45:15 AM

So I'm genuinely convinced there's just some anonymous TLP-goer who keeps bombing my drafts because without fail the last several I've made have all attracted a single, unexplained bomb early on in the draft's life. Is this happening to anyone else? Because I'm starting to really, really want the admins to finally make bombs come with names attached. I want to know what's going on and why someone seems to keep targeting my drafts.

A single bomb isn't the end of the world. And I'm totally fine with people tossing bombs for legitimate reasons. But this is too consistent and never comes with any sort of justification, making it seem a lot like there's just some lurker who has a vendetta against me rather than someone just trying to enforce TLP quality standards.

Wow, that's impressive. I'd say it's going to help, even if TLP shenanigans have mostly died down (but yeah, that single bomb guy may be a problem).

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 24th 2021 at 9:13:15 PM

Would you mind looking into this for me then? If you need me to link my recent drafts I can do that. I'm genuinely curious to know if this is the same person every time, or if this is just a coincidence.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 24th 2021 at 3:13:41 PM

Yeah, I'll need a link.

Okay.

• Improvised Imprisonment
• Forced From Their Home
• Malinda Kathleen Reese
• Prized Possession Giveaway
• Secret-Based Sitcom
• A Gift For Themselves
• Crappy Homemade Gift

And that's just a few of the ones I've made recently and semi-recently. As you can see, bombs on all of them with no explanatory posts to be found.

I'll PM the troper in question.

So it is a single troper? Interesting.

Hey, uh, anyone want to look into this draft? It has 10 hats for no justifiable reason and has only been up for 15 hours.

I think the hats are from people who either really like the concept (because it is a good concept but the title sucks and draft is not formatted well at all), or people who just really like SpongeBob references even though the title is what's killing the draft.

The formatting is awful too, but in my experience, a bad title can drag down even a good draft concept. Poor formatting attracts less bombs than a bad title.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 26th 2021 at 5:20:34 AM

I disagree that the title is the main killer here, if only because there's multiple other issues with the draft beyond the bad title.

Requesting a mod discard here. It's got 13 bombs and all three comments are unconstructive and unnecessary, borderline popcorning.

I note that Traveler 123 still has issues with this on numerous drafts, continuing to be snarky and unconstructive even after they agreed to cut back on it here and in this very thread. I'm not pinging them this time since I don't want to start another fight where they accuse me of "defending bad drafts".

Honestly, the popcorning was the only issue. The bombs were justified and helped to serve getting a discard faster.

And let's not start fights again with other TLP regulars. The Gay TLP Incident is long over and everyone involved in it (including myself) moved on. Don't forget the purpose of bombs now. They're to prevent sub-par drafts from launching and to offset the hat count. The amount shouldn't matter just as long as it's not being used as a contest for "highest bomb count".

Edited by DivineFlame100 on Mar 12th 2021 at 7:12:51 AM

I'm not "forgetting the purpose of bombs". I'm saying that having more than 5 bombs on a draft with no hats is utterly pointless and only serves to make the draft completely unsalvageable. Weren't we literally discussing before how this sort of thing doesn't help? How once a draft reaches 5-7 bombs, there's zero point in bombing it? At that point, it's not being done to make sure the draft can be discarded, it's just being done to watch the number go up.

And the popcorning was the main issue. I just didn't want people to keep posting on and bombing that draft when the point had already been made. People get way too aggressive with their bombs and comments. The comments was the main issue, but the bomb count did seem unnecessarily high for a draft with no support or hats.

In fact, if you're suggesting that 13 bombs on a draft like that is ever necessary or useful, you're forgetting the point of bombs.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 12th 2021 at 1:48:51 PM

Look, at this point, I'm not even sure what the right purpose of bombs is anymore. Ever since I've been called out by Traveler for my Single-Issue Wonk regarding excessive bombing and "defending bad drafts", as well as my ensuing argument with Arivne, I just changed my tune and became more lenient on the bombs in order to improve myself as a TLP contributor. Now I simply don't care for low-effort drafts getting a high number of bombs if its to ensure they will be discarded.

Looking back, I wonder if I made a premature call to start a thread on supposed TLP community issues if they are so few and far between. Between Warjay and everyone else on the matter, I'm really torn on the core issue.

Bombs are for:

• Balancing unneeded hats
• Preventing a launch when there's issues to resolve
• Getting a draft to be discarded

You only ever need five more of them than there are hats to totally prevent a launch or totally discard a draft. You never need 13 bombs on a draft with no hats. That's not doing anything but bullying and making it impossible for the sponsor to ever recover if they came back.

You didn't have a single-issue-wonk.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 12th 2021 at 2:29:07 PM

If this is the general TLP discussion thread...

Has Auto-Launch Wait been lowered? It hasn't been 3 days since I started my "Number of Objects" Title draft, right?

It's only been two?

Mar 10th 2021 at 10:26:10

4:50:46 PM 12th Mar '21

- Thanks!

Edited by Malady on Mar 12th 2021 at 8:07:26 AM