TLP Community Issues

This draft appears to have been created as spam… then another user took it over for their own spam.

We're no longer allowed to report drafts here; a report is on ATT though.

Huh… well that’s news to me.

Yes, and that getting stealthily changed is included in what’s “news to me”.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Oct 11th 2023 at 7:43:58 AM

It's in the pinned post.

~Shiny Cotton Candy It wasn't "stealthily changed". I announced the change when I updated the header . You missed the discussion that happened a few pages back.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 11th 2023 at 8:13:29 AM

Apologies if this has already been brought up, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning in the wake of "that" draft. Should we impose a blanket ban on new tropers from making their own TLP drafts, especially if they have no edit history? Because this sort of thing happens most of the time; a new troper with no edit history makes a stub TLP draft that goes nowhere and is inevitably discarded. The guidelines on the TLP even say that it's not for inexperienced tropers.

I feel that'd be redundant. If a new troper makes a poor draft, they'll be violating TLP Guidelines anyway. If they manage to make a sufficient draft, good for them.

That's been discussed, but ultimately shot down. Tbh the issue with yesterday's draft wasn't that a brand new troper made it — it was that the people who responded acted out of line, equally in violation of the rules. Someone making a stub is not in and of itself a problem and I wish people would just learn to ignore them.

Maybe I’m just imagining things, but it seems like several new trope proposals at TLP are getting 8-10 hats within hours of being created?

I don't think that's a recent development, but the volume of upvotes might have seen an uptick recently. Where you'd see 2-3 you might get 3-5 now.

I'm hopeful the new TLP structure when it rolls out will help with that. In the meantime, the actual hats are less relevant if the draft doesn't meeting the other rules, so I've been trying to call those out when I see them, encourage the proposers to slow down.

ignore, I wanted to draft my "assume good faith" rule but that's actually already a rule

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 29th 2023 at 1:10:42 PM

Wondering if we need to hash out actual TLP crowner rules. And I'm not just saying that because of the title debate on a certain draft; it just made me think about how the TLP has constantly had issues with crowners because right now it's sort of just left up to the sponsor when to call it. They also get less attention since they can't be hooked directly. It leads to overall sloppy crowner scenarios because there are no actual rules on how long to wait, what a good ratio is, and how many votes should exist.

No interest?

More accurately, no feedback.

I mean, sure.

I just figured the same crowner rules apply as deciding names/scopes/etc on tropes in TRS, but with the sponsor instead of the mod being the one to call it.

If that's true, it's never been formalized anywhere. Some TLP crowners have run for literal months because people just never knew when to call it; others last until barely enough votes have happened. And part of the problem is that, because it's left up to the sponsor, every sponsor will decide what the ideal time to call it is — which especially sucks as TLP crowners don't get a lot of votes to establish proper consensus the way we do it elsewhere, so people either have to wait or they call it too early (often without ever having it be closed, so the votes keep coming).

So it's just a mess and one I've noticed for years now.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:17:22 PM

Okay, I'll stop worrying about the crowner stuff for now (but may make a separate thread to discuss it later since I do think it's a recurring problem) and ask if we need to make an official guideline rule to not mess with already discarded drafts. People are still commenting and bombing this draft for absolutely no reason, and it seems like a pretty obvious rule to just say "hey, once a draft is discarded, ignore it unless you think it needs to be restored".

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 10th 2023 at 4:17:04 AM

Yes, but I'd also ask kory if discarded drafts can have comments disabled because discard means it won't be worked on.

I know eventually the TLP update will make it so that you can't reply on discarded drafts and stuff, but until that happens (as it seems to keep getting pushed down the pipeline), we may need some way to just discourage it from happening since people can't resist wonking on bad drafts even after they're nuked.

Was Stylish Sunhats launched without a 24 hour notifier? I don't see one on the draft. It might be okay to be honest to leave launched but I know your supposed to put a notifier on usually.

Nope; check the history. It was in the title but removed pre-launch.

Edited by jandn2014 on Dec 14th 2023 at 5:42:41 AM

Ah fair enough, my memory must have been playing tricks on me from when I saw in in the launch pad itself.

Anyway, this belongs here.

The trope Porn Creator Going Mainstream was just launched. There was a request to make this NRLEP which apparently was ignored, and it seems like it should have this status — or at least should say that clearly in the trope description.

Can this be taken care of? Thanks!

It can't say anything about being NRLEP in the description if it's not actually NRLEP. And without a real life section, you can't take it to the NRLEP thread. So for now, it'll stay unless people actually start adding problematic real life examples, as per policy.

In any case, we can't really discuss new launches here, or any specific drafts in general for that matter.