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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#1: Sep 22nd 2020 at 12:30:39 PM

The idea behind a trope is that it conveys some narrative meaning. But what happens if a trope is used, but lacks its narrative meaning? For instance, Slave to PR is supposed to be a character flaw. However, what happens if Slave to PR isn't portrayed as a flaw? Would that hypothetical example still count as Slave to PR?

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#2: Sep 22nd 2020 at 12:36:56 PM

what happens if a trope is used, but lacks its narrative meaning?
what happens if Slave to PR isn't portrayed as a flaw?
These are not identical. By definition, a trope has narrative meaning. We have chairs without narrative meaning and we have chairs with narrative meaning. Only the latter is an example of a trope.

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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#3: Sep 22nd 2020 at 1:39:53 PM

But isn't the narrative meaning of Slave to PR that it's a character flaw?

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5: Sep 22nd 2020 at 1:41:41 PM

What's the specific example?

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#6: Sep 22nd 2020 at 1:49:24 PM

I don't have a specific example. I was just using Slave to PR as a hypothetical because it's a trope that's universally considered a character flaw.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#7: Sep 22nd 2020 at 3:09:24 PM

But the narrative impact isn't that they have a character flaw, it's that they are obsessed with their reputation and want to maintain a positive public face.

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#8: Sep 22nd 2020 at 3:22:02 PM

The same character trait can have different impacts on the story depending on context. A trait can be both a weakness and a strength.

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#9: Sep 22nd 2020 at 4:36:25 PM

Yep, what they said — the trope is that they are obsessed with their reputation. It's listed as a character flaw because it's usually portrayed as such. You can have several ways of portraying a trope. To compare, take the similar trope Social Climber — the description notes that it's usually portrayed negatively, but there are idealistic, heroic versions; these portrayals are joined by the desire to rise up in society.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Sep 22nd 2020 at 7:08:38 PM

All tropes need to have some sort of domino effect "X exists therefore Y is the result," the result can be telling something about the story, characters, setting, genre or atmosphere, but it has to have a tangible impact that would be noticed if it was removed. The "Slave to PR is a character flaw" example is sort of like saying "Badass Longcoat is a fashion statement," it doesn't explain why it's different from other character flaws and fashion statements.

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