"Billy Elliot" Plot

This thread is an extension of a discussion on the Trope Idea Sounding Board here.

I asked on the discussion of the "Billy Elliot" Plot whether it can cover instances where someone is criticized for being physically weak (see Lennon from Tweeny Witches), looking feminine (not just crossdressing; see Chihiro Fujisaki from Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc), or doing domestic duties just because he's male. caivu said, "no, since this is a subtrope of Coming of Age Story", but on the Trope Idea Sounding Board, Twiddler said, "If they are criticized for not meeting some masculinity standard, I think it fits."

So what truly counts as an example of the trope?

No, "Billy Elliot" Plot is strictly about hobbies. And potential future job.

But I think Stay in the Kitchen can cover instances where a female character is told to be just wife and mother.

Another horrible trope name. Kill it.

Which one?

"Billy Elliot" Plot. What the hell is that about? If it's a cultural reference, it's over my head. The name is completely non-indicative.

The trope namer is Billy Elliot.

No shit. It still breaks our core policy about tropes named after works or characters.

I'm going to name a trope "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" Plot and see how it flies. /sarcasm

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 14th 2020 at 4:04:44 AM

Oh, I agree with you, but since you were asking...

But isn't it protected by Grandfather Clause?

Thoughts on making a Super-Trope to cover cases where male characters are criticized for not conforming to gender roles in general?

I don't mind

I'm worried that'd be too close.

And why only men? Why not also women?

Because we already have Stay in the Kitchen for female examples.

That trope isn't about women being forced to do "womanly" things. It's about women being barred from action and expected to stay "in the kitchen" and on the sidelines.

I'm confused. So is telling a tomboyish character that "you're a girl, you should wear dresses instead of pants!" not an example of Stay Inthe Kitchen? I feel that's weird.

It's not. Read the description. It's very clearly about the "Keep the women out of the action" mentality.

So that TLP draft is worth continuing because it's unisex.

We have a TLP draft named Enforced Gender Roles, but because of the description, I'm unsure if Chihiro belongs here. I mean, I don't think the law requires men to be masculine-looking and strong.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Jul 15th 2020 at 12:45:47 AM

Then, do Emiru's subplot about her brother Masato wanting her to play the violin or the piano instead of the "unladylike" guitar from HuGtto! Pretty Cure truly count as an example of Stay in the Kitchen?

That sounds like a different trope.

Bump.

Haven't we talked about this one before?

I feel that the gender-flipped version is closer to this than to Stay in the Kitchen, so it makes more sense for examples to go here.

Re: the name, Billy Elliot isn't well-known enough that a casual reader would know anything about it. I'm in favor of a rename should this go to TRS.

Edited by RallyBot2 on Jul 16th 2020 at 12:40:53 PM

What is "this [trope]" that the gender-inverted (not "gender-flipped") version of the "Billy Elliot" Plot is closer to?

The gender-flipped version is the same as the existing trope, but replace "boy" with "girl" and so on.